Rockets welcome Carmelo with pics of him with Lin's jersey number..ouch

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Ainge repeatedly shopped Ray Allen, even told him it's a done deal, we're sending you elsewhere, and then oh wait, nope sorry, deal fell through......dont unpack your bags though.  Did he give someone Rays number before he left?  No, but he might as well have.

is this really THAT much more different??  It's a cut throat business and part of the game.

That's why at the end of the day he chose the Heat.

and thats why 90% of this board hates Ray Allen, yet were all shedding tears for Jeremy Lin.  I bet we'd all be happy for him too if he signed with Portland just so he could stick it to the Rockets.

Didn't Ray sign again, after that incident? Yea, he didn't sign with Miami because he was told he was being traded but he wasn't. He signed with them to win and he did, plain and simple. He was also offered a no trade so, I don't have time for that mess. No one would care if they were trading Lin. It does matter (to Lin) that they are actin like he isn't even still on the team (especially PUBLICLY). Ray was being traded, meaning Bos was getting something of value. Lin at this point is still employed by Houston but just showed he doesn't hold any value to them at all.

[greg683x]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Ainge repeatedly shopped Ray Allen, even told him it's a done deal, we're sending you elsewhere, and then oh wait, nope sorry, deal fell through......dont unpack your bags though.  Did he give someone Rays number before he left?  No, but he might as well have.

is this really THAT much more different??  It's a cut throat business and part of the game.

That's why at the end of the day he chose the Heat.

and thats why 90% of this board hates Ray Allen, yet were all shedding tears for Jeremy Lin.  I bet we'd all be happy for him too if he signed with Portland just so he could stick it to the Rockets.

Didn't Ray sign again, after that incident? Yea, he didn't sign with Miami because he was told he was being traded but he wasn't. He signed with them to win and he did, plain and simple. He was also offered a no trade so, I don't have time for that mess. No one would care if they were trading Lin. It does matter (to Lin) that they are actin like he isn't even still on the team (especially PUBLICLY). Ray was being traded, meaning Bos was getting something of value. Lin at this point is still employed by Houston but just showed he doesn't hold any value to them at all.

No you're wrong.

The Memphis trade would have happened at the trade deadline in 2012.  Ray left THAT offseason.  If you think the only reason Ray chose the Heat is to win, then you must not have been following his departure here too much the following season.  You dont think he could have gone to Oklahoma City??  How about San Antonio?  They didnt offer a better chance?  He wanted to go to the team that eliminated the Celtics the past two years just to stick it to Danny Ainge and reenforced it by blasting him in the media.

[Vox_Populi]

I thought this was a little uncouth myself.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Ainge repeatedly shopped Ray Allen, even told him it's a done deal, we're sending you elsewhere, and then oh wait, nope sorry, deal fell through......dont unpack your bags though.  Did he give someone Rays number before he left?  No, but he might as well have.

is this really THAT much more different??  It's a cut throat business and part of the game.

That's why at the end of the day he chose the Heat.

and thats why 90% of this board hates Ray Allen, yet were all shedding tears for Jeremy Lin.  I bet we'd all be happy for him too if he signed with Portland just so he could stick it to the Rockets.

Didn't Ray sign again, after that incident? Yea, he didn't sign with Miami because he was told he was being traded but he wasn't. He signed with them to win and he did, plain and simple. He was also offered a no trade so, I don't have time for that mess. No one would care if they were trading Lin. It does matter (to Lin) that they are actin like he isn't even still on the team (especially PUBLICLY). Ray was being traded, meaning Bos was getting something of value. Lin at this point is still employed by Houston but just showed he doesn't hold any value to them at all.

No you're wrong.

The Memphis trade would have happened at the trade deadline in 2012.  Ray left THAT offseason.  If you think the only reason Ray chose the Heat is to win, then you must not have been following his departure here too much the following season.  You dont think he could have gone to Oklahoma City??  How about San Antonio?  They didnt offer a better chance?  He wanted to go to the team that eliminated the Celtics the past two years just to stick it to Danny Ainge and reenforced it by blasting him in the media.

When were those teams even in the running for his services at that time? It was between us, Mia, and Clips... who had the better team to win with? That's who he chose.

You might be right, winning wasn't the only reason but it was the biggest reason.

You could be right about that trade, I'm too lazy to check. If you feel like proving it to me, I would be grateful.


I also want to say, I don't like Ray b/c he went to the Heat, other than that... I could care less why he left and I'm not mad if it was because of how he felt he was treated... like I said, if I'm being disrespected I'd let it be known too.

[wayupnorth]

This is a grown man business, you don't worry about hurt feelings.  The Rockets are trying to entice Melo to play there, you don't do that by showing him in a number he'll never wear.

Ding..ding..ding!!!  We have a winner.

Seriously, the whining over this is sad.  If you have the opportunity to woo a player like Melo, and as part of that, you show him wearing the number of some bum on his way out of town anyway, you do it and don't think twice.

And even if 'feelings' mattered, Melo's feelings are just more important in this situation.  It's business, it's not personal.

Completely and utterly disagree.

Your logic is lacking. Ask yourself this, what was to be gain by the Rockets using #7 (which a Rocket currently has)?

What would be lost by the Rockets using #15?

This is an incredibly disrespectful move by the Rockets, and I am shocked that some do not see it that way.

[wayupnorth]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Because those are, like, important players.

This is more like using Bogans' number in a 'shopped Melo.

Just because you don't like Lin doesn't make it equivalent to Bogans.

Either way, it's rude to do it to any person you currently employ. Speaks volumes to other lesser players you hope to attract in the future.

They pretty much crapped on Asik when they did it with Howard after telling him different when they brought him in. If I was one of the other 12 or so players needed to fill out their roster now and in the future, I would be wary of what they think of me... I'm just trash till the next man rolls around (the next man that they might not get in the first place).

Your job is only safe until the next big better thing comes along.  I promise you the Rockets arent the only team that acts this way.

I already posted about how we treated Ray Allen.  How about Leon Powe?  He played his heart out for us in the finals and we just dump him.....and if you remember correctly he was pretty upset about it.

Loyalty is rare in pro sports, if it makes you feel better, players can do the same thing.  Lebron James.  James Posey bolts after we win a title.  It happens

We are not talking about loyalty, everyone can be traded, that is a part of the business but this isn't the same. Everyone knows you can be traded, no reason to get hurt feelings over that. I already said if I was Ray and I was TOLD I was traded but wasn't when said and done, I would be ticked too.

You think if they said to Lin, "we're trying to lure Melo, we are looking to trade you" it would be a big deal to Lin? No. They are using his jersey before he is even out the door, what do they say if they can't find someone to take Lin and don't sign Melo? They are publicly humiliating the dude for no reason, the jersey number won't matter to Melo in this case but it does to Lin.

So, if Houston was luring LeBron but used Melo's # you think it would still be no big deal? I'm sorry, it just doesn't matter who it is, you don't have to treat people like they are nothing, especially for the whole world to see.

Trading someone doesn't mean they are worthless, it could mean they are worth less than you want, they think, or they could be worth more or equal value. This is like saying he doesn't exist to them at all.

at the end of the day, if the rockets are going to bring in Melo, Lin will have to go.  You dont think he already knows that?  His future in Houston hinges on whether they can bring Melo in.  So really it isnt all that different of a circumstance than some pending trade. 

This however, is a lot more public, and yes it lacks class.  But I disagree with you that this just isnt part of the business.  Players and Teams get disrespected alllllll the time, this is just a different circumstance than we're all use to seeing.

The reason I say that this is just all part of the business, is that if Melo DOES come to Houston and they DO win a ring, all these fans that are all embarrassed and calling out team management wont care anymore.  It would be worth it to them in the end.

Name me just ONE reason that choosing #7 over #15 was a smart decision.

[Lucky17]

This is a grown man business, you don't worry about hurt feelings.  The Rockets are trying to entice Melo to play there, you don't do that by showing him in a number he'll never wear.

Ding..ding..ding!!!  We have a winner.

Seriously, the whining over this is sad.  If you have the opportunity to woo a player like Melo, and as part of that, you show him wearing the number of some bum on his way out of town anyway, you do it and don't think twice.

And even if 'feelings' mattered, Melo's feelings are just more important in this situation.  It's business, it's not personal.

Completely and utterly disagree.

Your logic is lacking. Ask yourself this, what was to be gain by the Rockets using #7 (which a Rocket currently has)?

Actually, knowing that Melo didn't care for Jeremy Lin's contract, or the Linsanity phenomenon in general, perhaps this was a calculated move by Morey to score points with Melo?

[greg683x]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Ainge repeatedly shopped Ray Allen, even told him it's a done deal, we're sending you elsewhere, and then oh wait, nope sorry, deal fell through......dont unpack your bags though.  Did he give someone Rays number before he left?  No, but he might as well have.

is this really THAT much more different??  It's a cut throat business and part of the game.

That's why at the end of the day he chose the Heat.

and thats why 90% of this board hates Ray Allen, yet were all shedding tears for Jeremy Lin.  I bet we'd all be happy for him too if he signed with Portland just so he could stick it to the Rockets.

Didn't Ray sign again, after that incident? Yea, he didn't sign with Miami because he was told he was being traded but he wasn't. He signed with them to win and he did, plain and simple. He was also offered a no trade so, I don't have time for that mess. No one would care if they were trading Lin. It does matter (to Lin) that they are actin like he isn't even still on the team (especially PUBLICLY). Ray was being traded, meaning Bos was getting something of value. Lin at this point is still employed by Houston but just showed he doesn't hold any value to them at all.

No you're wrong.

The Memphis trade would have happened at the trade deadline in 2012.  Ray left THAT offseason.  If you think the only reason Ray chose the Heat is to win, then you must not have been following his departure here too much the following season.  You dont think he could have gone to Oklahoma City??  How about San Antonio?  They didnt offer a better chance?  He wanted to go to the team that eliminated the Celtics the past two years just to stick it to Danny Ainge and reenforced it by blasting him in the media.

When were those teams even in the running for his services at that time? It was between us, Mia, and Clips... who had the better team to win with? That's who he chose.

You might be right, winning wasn't the only reason but it was the biggest reason.

You could be right about that trade, I'm too lazy to check. If you feel like proving it to me, I would be grateful.


I also want to say, I don't like Ray b/c he went to the Heat, other than that... I could care less why he left and I'm not mad if it was because of how he felt he was treated... like I said, if I'm being disrespected I'd let it be known too.

I completely agree.  Ray let it be known too, Jeremy Lin has let it be know as well.  Leon Powe did as well when he felt w just discarded him after his knee injury.

I just think nobody should be surprised that stuff like this happens.  Yes this example is a little more outrageous, but if youre a player in a business where you can just get tossed aside after your knee blows out while putting your heart and soul into a season for said team, or if you can just get tossed around in trade proposal after trade proposal with no second thought to your feelings or your family feelings, should you really be so surprised or blown away when something like this happens?

Its all part of the business.

[wayupnorth]

This is a grown man business, you don't worry about hurt feelings.  The Rockets are trying to entice Melo to play there, you don't do that by showing him in a number he'll never wear.

Ding..ding..ding!!!  We have a winner.

Seriously, the whining over this is sad.  If you have the opportunity to woo a player like Melo, and as part of that, you show him wearing the number of some bum on his way out of town anyway, you do it and don't think twice.

And even if 'feelings' mattered, Melo's feelings are just more important in this situation.  It's business, it's not personal.

Completely and utterly disagree.

Your logic is lacking. Ask yourself this, what was to be gain by the Rockets using #7 (which a Rocket currently has)?

Actually, knowing that Melo didn't care for Jeremy Lin's contract, or the Linsanity phenomenon in general, perhaps this was a calculated move by Morey to score points with Melo?

I do not buy that for even one second.

I ask for one concrete (as opposed to maybe this, maybe that) reason that it was better to use #7 than #15. I am still waiting.

[greg683x]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Because those are, like, important players.

This is more like using Bogans' number in a 'shopped Melo.

Just because you don't like Lin doesn't make it equivalent to Bogans.

Either way, it's rude to do it to any person you currently employ. Speaks volumes to other lesser players you hope to attract in the future.

They pretty much crapped on Asik when they did it with Howard after telling him different when they brought him in. If I was one of the other 12 or so players needed to fill out their roster now and in the future, I would be wary of what they think of me... I'm just trash till the next man rolls around (the next man that they might not get in the first place).

Your job is only safe until the next big better thing comes along.  I promise you the Rockets arent the only team that acts this way.

I already posted about how we treated Ray Allen.  How about Leon Powe?  He played his heart out for us in the finals and we just dump him.....and if you remember correctly he was pretty upset about it.

Loyalty is rare in pro sports, if it makes you feel better, players can do the same thing.  Lebron James.  James Posey bolts after we win a title.  It happens

We are not talking about loyalty, everyone can be traded, that is a part of the business but this isn't the same. Everyone knows you can be traded, no reason to get hurt feelings over that. I already said if I was Ray and I was TOLD I was traded but wasn't when said and done, I would be ticked too.

You think if they said to Lin, "we're trying to lure Melo, we are looking to trade you" it would be a big deal to Lin? No. They are using his jersey before he is even out the door, what do they say if they can't find someone to take Lin and don't sign Melo? They are publicly humiliating the dude for no reason, the jersey number won't matter to Melo in this case but it does to Lin.

So, if Houston was luring LeBron but used Melo's # you think it would still be no big deal? I'm sorry, it just doesn't matter who it is, you don't have to treat people like they are nothing, especially for the whole world to see.

Trading someone doesn't mean they are worthless, it could mean they are worth less than you want, they think, or they could be worth more or equal value. This is like saying he doesn't exist to them at all.

at the end of the day, if the rockets are going to bring in Melo, Lin will have to go.  You dont think he already knows that?  His future in Houston hinges on whether they can bring Melo in.  So really it isnt all that different of a circumstance than some pending trade. 

This however, is a lot more public, and yes it lacks class.  But I disagree with you that this just isnt part of the business.  Players and Teams get disrespected alllllll the time, this is just a different circumstance than we're all use to seeing.

The reason I say that this is just all part of the business, is that if Melo DOES come to Houston and they DO win a ring, all these fans that are all embarrassed and calling out team management wont care anymore.  It would be worth it to them in the end.

Name me just ONE reason that choosing #7 over #15 was a smart decision.

No problem, just show me where I wrote that it was a smart decision, and I'll gladly reply

[wayupnorth]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Because those are, like, important players.

This is more like using Bogans' number in a 'shopped Melo.

Just because you don't like Lin doesn't make it equivalent to Bogans.

Either way, it's rude to do it to any person you currently employ. Speaks volumes to other lesser players you hope to attract in the future.

They pretty much crapped on Asik when they did it with Howard after telling him different when they brought him in. If I was one of the other 12 or so players needed to fill out their roster now and in the future, I would be wary of what they think of me... I'm just trash till the next man rolls around (the next man that they might not get in the first place).

Your job is only safe until the next big better thing comes along.  I promise you the Rockets arent the only team that acts this way.

I already posted about how we treated Ray Allen.  How about Leon Powe?  He played his heart out for us in the finals and we just dump him.....and if you remember correctly he was pretty upset about it.

Loyalty is rare in pro sports, if it makes you feel better, players can do the same thing.  Lebron James.  James Posey bolts after we win a title.  It happens

We are not talking about loyalty, everyone can be traded, that is a part of the business but this isn't the same. Everyone knows you can be traded, no reason to get hurt feelings over that. I already said if I was Ray and I was TOLD I was traded but wasn't when said and done, I would be ticked too.

You think if they said to Lin, "we're trying to lure Melo, we are looking to trade you" it would be a big deal to Lin? No. They are using his jersey before he is even out the door, what do they say if they can't find someone to take Lin and don't sign Melo? They are publicly humiliating the dude for no reason, the jersey number won't matter to Melo in this case but it does to Lin.

So, if Houston was luring LeBron but used Melo's # you think it would still be no big deal? I'm sorry, it just doesn't matter who it is, you don't have to treat people like they are nothing, especially for the whole world to see.

Trading someone doesn't mean they are worthless, it could mean they are worth less than you want, they think, or they could be worth more or equal value. This is like saying he doesn't exist to them at all.

at the end of the day, if the rockets are going to bring in Melo, Lin will have to go.  You dont think he already knows that?  His future in Houston hinges on whether they can bring Melo in.  So really it isnt all that different of a circumstance than some pending trade. 

This however, is a lot more public, and yes it lacks class.  But I disagree with you that this just isnt part of the business.  Players and Teams get disrespected alllllll the time, this is just a different circumstance than we're all use to seeing.

The reason I say that this is just all part of the business, is that if Melo DOES come to Houston and they DO win a ring, all these fans that are all embarrassed and calling out team management wont care anymore.  It would be worth it to them in the end.

Name me just ONE reason that choosing #7 over #15 was a smart decision.

No problem, just show me where I wrote that it was a smart decision, and I'll gladly reply

Excuse me, from your defense of the actions took by Houston, I assumed you felt they made the correct discussion.

Forgive my assumptions.

[greg683x]

A lot of you saying its not big deal don't think. The players take their numbers to heart and identify with it. What if we tried to recruit Melo with #34 while pierce was still captain (if melo wore 34 as well).  You can't tell me some of you wouldn't think that would be awkward.

Right..people would start a riot if Ainge was trying to recruit someone using #9 or #0.

Because those are, like, important players.

This is more like using Bogans' number in a 'shopped Melo.

Just because you don't like Lin doesn't make it equivalent to Bogans.

Either way, it's rude to do it to any person you currently employ. Speaks volumes to other lesser players you hope to attract in the future.

They pretty much crapped on Asik when they did it with Howard after telling him different when they brought him in. If I was one of the other 12 or so players needed to fill out their roster now and in the future, I would be wary of what they think of me... I'm just trash till the next man rolls around (the next man that they might not get in the first place).

Your job is only safe until the next big better thing comes along.  I promise you the Rockets arent the only team that acts this way.

I already posted about how we treated Ray Allen.  How about Leon Powe?  He played his heart out for us in the finals and we just dump him.....and if you remember correctly he was pretty upset about it.

Loyalty is rare in pro sports, if it makes you feel better, players can do the same thing.  Lebron James.  James Posey bolts after we win a title.  It happens

We are not talking about loyalty, everyone can be traded, that is a part of the business but this isn't the same. Everyone knows you can be traded, no reason to get hurt feelings over that. I already said if I was Ray and I was TOLD I was traded but wasn't when said and done, I would be ticked too.

You think if they said to Lin, "we're trying to lure Melo, we are looking to trade you" it would be a big deal to Lin? No. They are using his jersey before he is even out the door, what do they say if they can't find someone to take Lin and don't sign Melo? They are publicly humiliating the dude for no reason, the jersey number won't matter to Melo in this case but it does to Lin.

So, if Houston was luring LeBron but used Melo's # you think it would still be no big deal? I'm sorry, it just doesn't matter who it is, you don't have to treat people like they are nothing, especially for the whole world to see.

Trading someone doesn't mean they are worthless, it could mean they are worth less than you want, they think, or they could be worth more or equal value. This is like saying he doesn't exist to them at all.

at the end of the day, if the rockets are going to bring in Melo, Lin will have to go.  You dont think he already knows that?  His future in Houston hinges on whether they can bring Melo in.  So really it isnt all that different of a circumstance than some pending trade. 

This however, is a lot more public, and yes it lacks class.  But I disagree with you that this just isnt part of the business.  Players and Teams get disrespected alllllll the time, this is just a different circumstance than we're all use to seeing.

The reason I say that this is just all part of the business, is that if Melo DOES come to Houston and they DO win a ring, all these fans that are all embarrassed and calling out team management wont care anymore.  It would be worth it to them in the end.

Name me just ONE reason that choosing #7 over #15 was a smart decision.

No problem, just show me where I wrote that it was a smart decision, and I'll gladly reply

Excuse me, from your defense of the actions took by Houston, I assumed you felt they made the correct discussion.

Forgive my assumptions.

Ive written several posts in this thread, and in many of them I've called what Houston did both classless and outrageous.  If words like classless strike a positive, intelligent chord in your walk of life, then I should be the one saying Excuse me.   

I have also said that in a cut throat business like pro sports, we shouldn't be surprised when stuff like this happens....and that other teams have done things to players that were just as disrespectful but we let it go just because its 'part of the business.'   Lin knew the writing was on the wall when he knew Houston would have to make room for Melos salary

Well this falls into that same category IMO

[Future Celtics Owner]

Im not sad for Lin. He got paid and does not have to worry like the rest of us.

[SparzWizard]

Melo, Dwight, Harden...just a bunch of prima donnas and losers in one team.

I guess Damian Lillard will have to pull another buzzer beater, this time in front of the Houston crowd!

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

LOL cold blooded. W/e works for him.



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