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How can we maximize value of TPE?
« on: June 30, 2014, 12:05:54 PM »

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Given the 3 day window in which we can use the TPE, what are our options? 

Seems our best use is to help another team create salary cap space to sign a big free agent.  What team besides Houston (Jeremy Lin) is available to do that? And would a future 1st round pick from Houston be worth the cost?  Would we try to work a second trade with them with expiring contracts in which we get back a decent player?  I am weak on the rules here.

Now that Asik has been traded, is there any point in working with Houston on a trade involving the TPE?

Given the very short window in which the TPE can be used, is it more likely than not it will just expire, without being able to trade it?  Would be a pity.

Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 12:10:52 PM »

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Worried by lack of rumours involving TPE. I think it might just expire without being used.

Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 12:12:50 PM »

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Given the 3 day window in which we can use the TPE, what are our options? 

Seems our best use is to help another team create salary cap space to sign a big free agent.  What team besides Houston (Jeremy Lin) is available to do that? And would a future 1st round pick from Houston be worth the cost?  Would we try to work a second trade with them with expiring contracts in which we get back a decent player?  I am weak on the rules here.

Now that Asik has been traded, is there any point in working with Houston on a trade involving the TPE?

Given the very short window in which the TPE can be used, is it more likely than not it will just expire, without being able to trade it?  Would be a pity.

I still don't understand how NO can simply absorb Asik's contract in exchange for the pick. They don't have sufficient cap space, nor an exception of their own.

Perhaps Ainge is taking salary from NO to help them with this deal.
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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 12:14:54 PM »

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Can the Cs sign and trade an available FA with the first year starting at the TPE in a three way trade? That could be a way to get Parsons, Heyward or Monroe on their way to Minnesota. Might have to work the years and numbers on it like Houston did with Asik/Lin, but maybe something there could work.
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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 12:17:12 PM »

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I was wondering about this too...it's potentially a big asset!

But alas, I don't think it will get used.

No trade partners out there.

Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 12:21:32 PM »

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I think it's unlikely we use the TPE --- but knowing Ainge he'll do all he can to leverage it, if for nothing else to be a landing spot for a contract (like Lins') from teams looking to sign a BIG FA (ie. HOU, LAC, CHI, CLE, ORL(?)). A deal for absorbing a player would bring back a pick or 2.

Taj Gibson is a loooooooong shot (basically only if CHI was totally desperate to add Melo + 1 other FA).


Otherwise I think the only options left might be able to add a mid-level-salary guy:

- Dion Waiters (price might be too high; CLE must have better offers)
- Tristan Thompson (only if CLE wants to add both LBJ and Love -- total longshot)
- DEN big man (Hickson or Mozgov...)
- Ryan Anderson (again, total longshot -- but he's an overpriced 3rd big in N.O. who has a crowded salary cap)
- Ed Davis (S&T w/ Mem?)

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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 12:22:46 PM »

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Can the Cs sign and trade an available FA with the first year starting at the TPE in a three way trade? That could be a way to get Parsons, Heyward or Monroe on their way to Minnesota. Might have to work the years and numbers on it like Houston did with Asik/Lin, but maybe something there could work.

I'm almost positive you can -- but I think all 3 of the guys  you mentioned will get more than $10.5 M (or else HOU, UTA or DET would match).
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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 12:23:54 PM »

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TPE will not be used until at least July 1. Likely because C's may still be in play for Kevin Love. If Wolves want players that can help now and picks would make sense that C's would go for a possible three way using a S&T were a team other than the Wolves gets the TPE and Clippers 1st. Wolves then get Bass, TPE player, and likely C's 2015 1st and one Brooklyn 1st.

TPE S&T Targets Wolves may want
Deng
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Turner
Stephenson
Lowry


Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 12:25:10 PM »

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I still don't understand how NO can simply absorb Asik's contract in exchange for the pick. They don't have sufficient cap space, nor an exception of their own.

They should have cap space in July, when the deal will be made official.  They will probably have to waive their players on unguaranteed contracts.
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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 12:27:07 PM »

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Given the 3 day window in which we can use the TPE, what are our options? 

Seems our best use is to help another team create salary cap space to sign a big free agent.  What team besides Houston (Jeremy Lin) is available to do that? And would a future 1st round pick from Houston be worth the cost?  Would we try to work a second trade with them with expiring contracts in which we get back a decent player?  I am weak on the rules here.

Now that Asik has been traded, is there any point in working with Houston on a trade involving the TPE?

Given the very short window in which the TPE can be used, is it more likely than not it will just expire, without being able to trade it?  Would be a pity.

I still don't understand how NO can simply absorb Asik's contract in exchange for the pick. They don't have sufficient cap space, nor an exception of their own.

Perhaps Ainge is taking salary from NO to help them with this deal.




I think this is why NO is looking to dump Rivers -- they're very close to having the cap room to absorb outright.

NO has 57.2M in salary w/o option guys (according to Shamsports), Asik's cap hit is $8.3 -- and the salary cap is expected to be at 63.2.

Adding Asik gets them to 65.5 -- subtracting Rivers gets them to 63.1.


I'd much rather give up a future #1 and try and nab Ryan Anderson (if for no other reason than to flip him down the line), but i think that's unlikely.
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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 12:27:55 PM »

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You don't have to use the entire TPE in one deal, the money just has to fit under it.  DA should be able to use, at least part of it on somebody+pick.

Of course he may value future cap space more. We'll have to see if he can squeeze something useful out of it.

Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 01:25:27 PM »

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I'd absorb Lin for a first.  Crowded backcourt with Rondo/Lin/Smart and potentially Bradley, but another pick would be useful.

Gibson would be an interesting target. Not sure if the Bulls are willing to give him up for their Melo pursuit, but he's the kind of guy you can get away with at the 5 in the East and his defensive abilities fit very nicely with Sully and Olynyk's offensive orientation/slowness.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 02:27:26 PM »

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I still don't understand how NO can simply absorb Asik's contract in exchange for the pick. They don't have sufficient cap space, nor an exception of their own.

They should have cap space in July, when the deal will be made official.  They will probably have to waive their players on unguaranteed contracts.

They'd also have to waive the MLE, no?
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Re: How can we maximize value of TPE?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 03:09:36 PM »

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I still don't understand how NO can simply absorb Asik's contract in exchange for the pick. They don't have sufficient cap space, nor an exception of their own.

They should have cap space in July, when the deal will be made official.  They will probably have to waive their players on unguaranteed contracts.

They'd also have to waive the MLE, no?

Well, renounce, not waive, but, yeah, they'd lose it if they used cap space.
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