Phili is way ahead of us on the rebuild

[MBunge]

With this additional point: Given Ainge's draft record, characterizing those picks as assets is, at best, optimistic.

Doesn't appear at this point that Flip Saunders is too impressed with them either, does it? Didn't see anyone lining up to trade for them this month, either.

Anyone who values the GM skills of Flip Saunders over Danny Ainge is someone to whom attention need not be paid.

Mike

[D.o.s.]

quick thoughts:

I do think Philly is in a better position than Boston right now, because I think they've got more tangible prospects who could be moved (for the sake of trading) than the Nets picks and things.

I also think that either team could make roster moves to contend for the lower half of the Eastern Conference as early as Tuesday, and I sincerely doubt that their teams will look all that similar at the end of the year.

I'm still glad we're not trading for Kevin Love.

[BballTim]

I think you misunderstand my point.

Is it impossible for Boston to become a contender ?  Of course not.  Is it possible Ainge has some further moves up his sleeve?  Absolutely.  Is it possible Marcus smart reaches his Eric Bledsoe ceiling ?  No doubt.  Could embiid and Noel both bust ?  Maybe.

But right now if you were to project Philly's future vs Boston's, it's a no contest.  We have a veteran former all-star PG possibly on the way out.  We have a solid asset in Marcus smart.  Beyond that we have role player talent and some picks that nobody can confidently project.

Philly, on the other hand, has a player the most project will be an elite defensive big (Noel), a player most project has transcendent superstar potential (embiid), a young PG who is coming off a rookie of the year season,  and a foreign prospect that people rave about (Saric)... Plus a trajectory that makes them seem like a lock to bottom out again next year ... Plus several other picks that nobody can confidently project.

Anything can happen. But right now I think most reasonable NBA fans would rather have Philly's assets than Boston's assets.  Pose the question on a neutral forum and see for yourself. 

  It probably comes down to how closely they follow the league. I'd guess you're unaware of the difference in assets going forward. Boston has 7-8 first rounders in the next 4 drafts and can swap picks with the Nets in another year. Philly has 2-3 first rounders in the next 4 years. The have a rookie pg that they were reportedly shopping because they were worried he was a "put up big numbers on a bad team" type of player, They have a rookie big who's not much of an offensive player who's coming back from knee injury and another rookie big (the only player on their roster that could realistically be called a franchise player) who's already suffered two troubling injuries (back and feet) and hasn't played a game in the pros yet. It's easy to get caught up in the hype of other teams (as you're wont to do) but the odds of them having a better future than us probably begin and end with Embiid having an injury free superstar career or adding a similar player that's not on their roster now.


 

I guess that in your haste to argue and distort 33's point, you missed the two words in bold, Timmy.

And he happens to be right.

With this additional point: Given Ainge's draft record, characterizing those picks as assets is, at best, optimistic.

Doesn't appear at this point that Flip Saunders is too impressed with them either, does it?

  I guess in your typical haste to nip at my heels you missed the words right after those, projecting our respective futures. I'm sure this never occurred to you, but it's perfectly reasonable to consider future draft picks when projecting a franchise's future, and having many more 1st rounders in future drafts than someone else means more than you might imagine. To borrow from you bolded phrase, the Celts are in possession of all of those picks *right now*. And I'll say it again, your derisive comments about Ainge's drafting record is based on your not having the slightest idea of the level of player typically drafted at the spots where Danny's making his choices.

[BballTim]

quick thoughts:

I do think Philly is in a better position than Boston right now, because I think they've got more tangible prospects who could be moved (for the sake of trading) than the Nets picks and things.

I also think that either team could make roster moves to contend for the lower half of the Eastern Conference as early as Tuesday, and I sincerely doubt that their teams will look all that similar at the end of the year.

I'm still glad we're not trading for Kevin Love.

  If Kevin Love's still on Minny then we could still be trading for him. Almost everyone thought the KG trade rumors were dead when they didn't get our pick in the 2007 draft.

[CoachBo]

With this additional point: Given Ainge's draft record, characterizing those picks as assets is, at best, optimistic.

Doesn't appear at this point that Flip Saunders is too impressed with them either, does it? Didn't see anyone lining up to trade for them this month, either.

Anyone who values the GM skills of Flip Saunders over Danny Ainge is someone to whom attention need not be paid.

Mike

Reading comprehension is a dying skill, isn't it? LOL

 

[D.o.s.]

quick thoughts:

I do think Philly is in a better position than Boston right now, because I think they've got more tangible prospects who could be moved (for the sake of trading) than the Nets picks and things.

I also think that either team could make roster moves to contend for the lower half of the Eastern Conference as early as Tuesday, and I sincerely doubt that their teams will look all that similar at the end of the year.

I'm still glad we're not trading for Kevin Love.

  If Kevin Love's still on Minny then we could still be trading for him. Almost everyone thought the KG trade rumors were dead when they didn't get our pick in the 2007 draft.

For sure -- this is a case of me exerting misplaced authority over a situation I have no say in by stating my desired outcome as if it was a fact. You see it a lot on here re: Rondo getting traded, the C's making the playoffs, the draft lottery, and so on.

[MBunge]

With this additional point: Given Ainge's draft record, characterizing those picks as assets is, at best, optimistic.

Doesn't appear at this point that Flip Saunders is too impressed with them either, does it? Didn't see anyone lining up to trade for them this month, either.

Anyone who values the GM skills of Flip Saunders over Danny Ainge is someone to whom attention need not be paid.

Mike

Reading comprehension is a dying skill, isn't it? LOL

 

It's not my fault you can't comprehend what you write.

Mike

[hpantazo]

In another thread on the blog regarding Noel, people are considering offering Sully or KO plus one of the Nets picks for Noel. So that's 2 of our assets for one of Phili's, which is the lesser of their two big men. Imagine what the asking price would be for Embiid. They are ahead of us on collecting valuable assets for sure.

[BballTim]

In another thread on the blog regarding Noel, people are considering offering Sully or KO plus one of the Nets picks for Noel. So that's 2 of our assets for one of Phili's, which is the lesser of their two big men. Imagine what the asking price would be for Embiid. They are ahead of us on collecting valuable assets for sure.

  They aren't, because that Nets pick represents one of our 7-8 over the next 4 years (plus the option to switch a pick) compared to Philly's 2-3. In effect we could acquire their 2nd best asset without putting a huge dent in our stockpile.

[SHAQATTACK]

They are just tanking season after season .

The NBA needs to limit the lottery trips to two every five years.

Some teams just live in the lottery and never leave....there needs to be a limit on top five picks per five year periods .

[hpantazo]

In another thread on the blog regarding Noel, people are considering offering Sully or KO plus one of the Nets picks for Noel. So that's 2 of our assets for one of Phili's, which is the lesser of their two big men. Imagine what the asking price would be for Embiid. They are ahead of us on collecting valuable assets for sure.

  They aren't, because that Nets pick represents one of our 7-8 over the next 4 years (plus the option to switch a pick) compared to Philly's 2-3. In effect we could acquire their 2nd best asset without putting a huge dent in our stockpile.

Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, your statement doesn't add up. It's simple math, 2 assets is greater than 1 asset. Amazing how you managed to ignore the Sullinger/KO part of the proposed trade. Basically our young players are so inferior in value that we have to include a valuable 1st round pick along with them to even have a chance to acquire one of their young players, who is also not the most valuable (Embiid) and not the one who just won rookie of the year (MCW).

As for this supposed huge stockpile of picks, it's already diminishing and will be very depleted by this time next year. They have an expiration date, and there is no clear value to them. If we are lucky, one or two picks might turn into a Noel type of player. Most likely some will turn into Fab Melos or JR Giddens or Jujuan Johnsons if we don't manage to trade them.

[D.o.s.]

In another thread on the blog regarding Noel, people are considering offering Sully or KO plus one of the Nets picks for Noel. So that's 2 of our assets for one of Phili's, which is the lesser of their two big men. Imagine what the asking price would be for Embiid. They are ahead of us on collecting valuable assets for sure.

  They aren't, because that Nets pick represents one of our 7-8 over the next 4 years (plus the option to switch a pick) compared to Philly's 2-3. In effect we could acquire their 2nd best asset without putting a huge dent in our stockpile.

Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, your statement doesn't add up. It's simple math, 2 assets is greater than 1 asset.

Ignoring the specifics of the discussion to point out that this is a dangerous idea to use as a blanked fact.

[hpantazo]

In another thread on the blog regarding Noel, people are considering offering Sully or KO plus one of the Nets picks for Noel. So that's 2 of our assets for one of Phili's, which is the lesser of their two big men. Imagine what the asking price would be for Embiid. They are ahead of us on collecting valuable assets for sure.

  They aren't, because that Nets pick represents one of our 7-8 over the next 4 years (plus the option to switch a pick) compared to Philly's 2-3. In effect we could acquire their 2nd best asset without putting a huge dent in our stockpile.

Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, your statement doesn't add up. It's simple math, 2 assets is greater than 1 asset.

Ignoring the specifics of the discussion to point out that this is a dangerous idea to use as a blanked fact.

ignoring half my argument in order to make a general statement to support one's own opinion is offensive and a poor response to a discussion.

[cb8883]

They are just tanking season after season .

The NBA needs to limit the lottery trips to two every five years.

Some teams just live in the lottery and never leave....there needs to be a limit on top five picks per five year periods .

This is what Ainge should have done. Embiid and Noel are more valuable than anyone on the roster currently. Same with MCW. Phenomenal building blocks going forward. Celtics have nothing except Marcus Smart and 11 role players/bench warmers.

[D.o.s.]

In another thread on the blog regarding Noel, people are considering offering Sully or KO plus one of the Nets picks for Noel. So that's 2 of our assets for one of Phili's, which is the lesser of their two big men. Imagine what the asking price would be for Embiid. They are ahead of us on collecting valuable assets for sure.

  They aren't, because that Nets pick represents one of our 7-8 over the next 4 years (plus the option to switch a pick) compared to Philly's 2-3. In effect we could acquire their 2nd best asset without putting a huge dent in our stockpile.

Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, your statement doesn't add up. It's simple math, 2 assets is greater than 1 asset.

Ignoring the specifics of the discussion to point out that this is a dangerous idea to use as a blanked fact.

ignoring half my argument in order to make a general statement to support one's own opinion is offensive and a poor response to a discussion.

I'm not purporting any opinion (and I largely agree with you), just pointing out that two assets are not always more valuable than one asset.