Phili is way ahead of us on the rebuild

[manl_lui]

First off, I love the picks of Smart and Young, both excellent choices who will be very good players. Looking at Phili's haul this year and last though, they are way ahead of us on building a contender. They have MCW, although not as good as Rondo, he is last year's rookie of the year who is also not hitting 30 and looking to leave if his team doesn't put vet stars around him.

Then the centerpieces of their rebuild, the twin towers of Embiid and Noel. What an awesome foundation to build around. We haven't been able to land a decent center for years and they have two of the best young centers in the league. Much better than the combo of Sully and KO in my opinion.

Next is Saric. Sure, he won't be in the league for 1-2 years, but he could be the most talented player to come out of this draft. He is at least likely to equal Smart, if not surpass him.

To top it off, with Embiid needing recovery time and Saric in Turkey, they will get another top 5 pick next year.

I'm not panicing, Ainge still has assets and the offseason is still young, so he may make some big moves, but I'm envying Phili's roster right now.

way to early to tell in my opinion...with Embiid, I still feel his injury is troubling. As said before the draft, I want him but I don't want him...this draft is too talented to draft a potential bust. Smart was such a safe and great pick for us.

And Noel missed all of last season so I want to see himself prove himself first before saying "The next great twin towers"

[celticmania]

We have a few things they don't have like....... Danny Ainge

[playdream]

We have the best GM and Coach in the east
We have one All-star in Rondo and three potential All-star in Sully/KO/Smart

Philly has MCW, rookies of the year
Noel, who never played an NBA game and post severe knee injury
and Embiid who is even worse that he may very possible can't play a NBA season in his career

so there is really nothing to compare about

[hpantazo]

there is a lot of bias in many of these responses, mainly stating that we have Rondo who is so much better than anything Phili has. Well, Rondo is in his prime years, coming off major knee surgery, and looked like crap last season. He will also leave or be traded for 10 cents on the dollar if we don't get some star vets this summer, so no, we don't have the superstar long term cornerstone many of you are implying. That's fan fiction, green tinted view. We have that superstar Rondo basically the same way the Timberwolves have Kevin Love, except that Love is younger and healthier and better so he gets more in return for a trade.

The other consistent response is to crap all over Embiid and Noel for not playing an NBA game yet and having injuries. This is another biased, one sided argument. Many people on here really wanted Embiid to fall to us. The perspectives massively shifted once Phili took him. Even Ainge admitted on the radio that he would have taken Embiid at 6, and the celtics doctors did not red-flag him as a major injury risk. Noel had the same injury Rondo had, so if he's washed up at 19 then Rondo is totally worthless at his age coming off the same injury, and so is Westbrook. As for not having played in the NBA yet, neither has Smart, yet you guys are calling him a future all-star. Let's face it, if we had Noel and Embiid, and Saric, the tone on here for those guys would be totally different. Most fans would be ecstatic.

As for calling Sullinger, KO, and Bradley 'future all-stars', that is absurd.

I trust Ainge, and he's done a great job in getting us a ton of assets to rebuild from the big 3 era. But, let's be realistic. If he doesn't manage to cash in on those assets this summer to land 2 more all-stars to put around Rondo, and a defensive big man, then Rondo will leave. We are not getting an all-star or a great young prospect for Rondo in a trade. The league has been waiting for us to trade him for cheap because they know that we have to or he will walk next summer. Assuming we don't cash in on those assets, Smart, Sullinger, KO, and Young, and maybe Bradley if we keep him, are not a great core going forward. They are ok. It will be a long rebuild. I would much rather have Embiid, Noel, Saric, MCW, and a top 5 pick in the next draft. That is a faster rebuild than Sullinger, Smart, KO, Bradley, Young, and some late 1sts from the clippers and Nets.

[ederson]

I agree that cbloggers tend to overvalue some players but PHI has just MCW. The rest is just prayers.

Rondo was injured and you doubt he can be as good again but at the same time Noel and Embiid with also serious issues are going to be studs ?

[hpantazo]

It's too early to make this statement.

They have no one as good as rondo. No one.

Embiid might be an injury riddled bust. Oden style. Bowie style. In three years hinkie could be losing his job and being ridiculed out of Philly for passing on exum, the next penny hardaway, for a guy with fractures in his back and foot who only played hoops for 4 years.

Noel has shown zip due to injury. Mcw may never get much better then a stat stuffer on a bottom feeder with a broke shot.

There is nothing proven in Philly. Nothing. Rondo is proven.

But the C's very likely will be unable to keep Rondo through a rebuild.

  The C's might lose Rondo, but based on everything he's said about wanting to stay that's not a huge concern.

He also said on multiple occasions this summer that he wants competitive vets around him who want to win now like him. So unless Ainge gets them for our assets in the next 2 months, then Rondo is gone, and we won't get much in return for him. It is a real concern. It has been for 2 years now, but it's much more evident now than ever.

[BballTim]

there is a lot of bias in many of these responses, mainly stating that we have Rondo who is so much better than anything Phili has. Well, Rondo is in his prime years, coming off major knee surgery, and looked like crap last season. He will also leave or be traded for 10 cents on the dollar if we don't get some star vets this summer, so no, we don't have the superstar long term cornerstone many of you are implying. That's fan fiction, green tinted view. We have that superstar Rondo basically the same way the Timberwolves have Kevin Love, except that Love is younger and healthier and better so he gets more in return for a trade.

The other consistent response is to crap all over Embiid and Noel for not playing an NBA game yet and having injuries. This is another biased, one sided argument. Many people on here really wanted Embiid to fall to us. The perspectives massively shifted once Phili took him. Even Ainge admitted on the radio that he would have taken Embiid at 6, and the celtics doctors did not red-flag him as a major injury risk. Noel had the same injury Rondo had, so if he's washed up at 19 then Rondo is totally worthless at his age coming off the same injury, and so is Westbrook. As for not having played in the NBA yet, neither has Smart, yet you guys are calling him a future all-star. Let's face it, if we had Noel and Embiid, and Saric, the tone on here for those guys would be totally different. Most fans would be ecstatic.

  Why start the thread in the first place if you're going to get so upset when people disagree with you? If you can show us some quotes from Rondo or his camp  stating that he'll leave if certain conditions aren't met then you might have something with the "fan fiction" quip. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking on your part.

[D.o.s.]

Rondo was injured and you doubt he can be as good again but at the same time Noel and Embiid with also serious issues are going to be studs ?

That's not what he's saying at all.

[BballTim]

It's too early to make this statement.

They have no one as good as rondo. No one.

Embiid might be an injury riddled bust. Oden style. Bowie style. In three years hinkie could be losing his job and being ridiculed out of Philly for passing on exum, the next penny hardaway, for a guy with fractures in his back and foot who only played hoops for 4 years.

Noel has shown zip due to injury. Mcw may never get much better then a stat stuffer on a bottom feeder with a broke shot.

There is nothing proven in Philly. Nothing. Rondo is proven.

But the C's very likely will be unable to keep Rondo through a rebuild.

  The C's might lose Rondo, but based on everything he's said about wanting to stay that's not a huge concern.

He also said on multiple occasions this summer that he wants competitive vets around him who want to win now like him. So unless Ainge gets them for our assets in the next 2 months, then Rondo is gone, and we won't get much in return for him. It is a real concern. It has been for 2 years now, but it's much more evident now than ever.

  Sure he wants top level players around him. Everyone in the league does. That's hardly evidence that he's out the door. Take a look at what he's said, and take a look at what CP/Melo/Howard/Love and others were saying. There's a difference between them that you're missing. You're claiming the odds of Rondo staying are basically the odds Love stays in Minny. That's just absurd.

[joepatsfan]

Noel never impressed me as a NBAer.

Embiid could definitely turn into something big, but I'm glad Philly took him so we didn't have to make the risk.

MCW is a very good player.

Idk, it's Philly. They aren't going anywhere if you ask me unless Embiid turns into Hakeem, but I just don't see it

[hpantazo]

there is a lot of bias in many of these responses, mainly stating that we have Rondo who is so much better than anything Phili has. Well, Rondo is in his prime years, coming off major knee surgery, and looked like crap last season. He will also leave or be traded for 10 cents on the dollar if we don't get some star vets this summer, so no, we don't have the superstar long term cornerstone many of you are implying. That's fan fiction, green tinted view. We have that superstar Rondo basically the same way the Timberwolves have Kevin Love, except that Love is younger and healthier and better so he gets more in return for a trade.

The other consistent response is to crap all over Embiid and Noel for not playing an NBA game yet and having injuries. This is another biased, one sided argument. Many people on here really wanted Embiid to fall to us. The perspectives massively shifted once Phili took him. Even Ainge admitted on the radio that he would have taken Embiid at 6, and the celtics doctors did not red-flag him as a major injury risk. Noel had the same injury Rondo had, so if he's washed up at 19 then Rondo is totally worthless at his age coming off the same injury, and so is Westbrook. As for not having played in the NBA yet, neither has Smart, yet you guys are calling him a future all-star. Let's face it, if we had Noel and Embiid, and Saric, the tone on here for those guys would be totally different. Most fans would be ecstatic.

  Why start the thread in the first place if you're going to get so upset when people disagree with you? If you can show us some quotes from Rondo or his camp  stating that he'll leave if certain conditions aren't met then you might have something with the "fan fiction" quip. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm not upset dude, just stating my thoughts. I think it's pretty clear that Rondo is gone if we don't get some star vets around him this summer. Ainge tried, and will keep trying, but nothing is guaranteed. The rest of the core without Rondo is pretty mediocre imo. Even Ainge said the other day that Smart and Young are not the type of players that you build a team around, and last year he referred to KO as a nice complementary player.

[BballTim]

there is a lot of bias in many of these responses, mainly stating that we have Rondo who is so much better than anything Phili has. Well, Rondo is in his prime years, coming off major knee surgery, and looked like crap last season. He will also leave or be traded for 10 cents on the dollar if we don't get some star vets this summer, so no, we don't have the superstar long term cornerstone many of you are implying. That's fan fiction, green tinted view. We have that superstar Rondo basically the same way the Timberwolves have Kevin Love, except that Love is younger and healthier and better so he gets more in return for a trade.

The other consistent response is to crap all over Embiid and Noel for not playing an NBA game yet and having injuries. This is another biased, one sided argument. Many people on here really wanted Embiid to fall to us. The perspectives massively shifted once Phili took him. Even Ainge admitted on the radio that he would have taken Embiid at 6, and the celtics doctors did not red-flag him as a major injury risk. Noel had the same injury Rondo had, so if he's washed up at 19 then Rondo is totally worthless at his age coming off the same injury, and so is Westbrook. As for not having played in the NBA yet, neither has Smart, yet you guys are calling him a future all-star. Let's face it, if we had Noel and Embiid, and Saric, the tone on here for those guys would be totally different. Most fans would be ecstatic.

  Why start the thread in the first place if you're going to get so upset when people disagree with you? If you can show us some quotes from Rondo or his camp  stating that he'll leave if certain conditions aren't met then you might have something with the "fan fiction" quip. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm not upset dude, just stating my thoughts. I think it's pretty clear that Rondo is gone if we don't get some star vets around him this summer. Ainge tried, and will keep trying, but nothing is guaranteed. The rest of the core without Rondo is pretty mediocre imo.

  It's not clear at all. If Danny wants to keep Rondo and add talent around him he probably has until next summer. At minimum he has until the trade deadline to decide.

[hpantazo]

there is a lot of bias in many of these responses, mainly stating that we have Rondo who is so much better than anything Phili has. Well, Rondo is in his prime years, coming off major knee surgery, and looked like crap last season. He will also leave or be traded for 10 cents on the dollar if we don't get some star vets this summer, so no, we don't have the superstar long term cornerstone many of you are implying. That's fan fiction, green tinted view. We have that superstar Rondo basically the same way the Timberwolves have Kevin Love, except that Love is younger and healthier and better so he gets more in return for a trade.

The other consistent response is to crap all over Embiid and Noel for not playing an NBA game yet and having injuries. This is another biased, one sided argument. Many people on here really wanted Embiid to fall to us. The perspectives massively shifted once Phili took him. Even Ainge admitted on the radio that he would have taken Embiid at 6, and the celtics doctors did not red-flag him as a major injury risk. Noel had the same injury Rondo had, so if he's washed up at 19 then Rondo is totally worthless at his age coming off the same injury, and so is Westbrook. As for not having played in the NBA yet, neither has Smart, yet you guys are calling him a future all-star. Let's face it, if we had Noel and Embiid, and Saric, the tone on here for those guys would be totally different. Most fans would be ecstatic.

  Why start the thread in the first place if you're going to get so upset when people disagree with you? If you can show us some quotes from Rondo or his camp  stating that he'll leave if certain conditions aren't met then you might have something with the "fan fiction" quip. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm not upset dude, just stating my thoughts. I think it's pretty clear that Rondo is gone if we don't get some star vets around him this summer. Ainge tried, and will keep trying, but nothing is guaranteed. The rest of the core without Rondo is pretty mediocre imo.

  It's not clear at all. If Danny wants to keep Rondo and add talent around him he probably has until next summer. At minimum he has until the trade deadline to decide.

I dissagree. It's the same as Love's situation. The longer we keep Rondo the less we can get in return for him in a trade if we can't get the talent around him to keep him. This summer is it imo. He's not going to re-sign in most places, so teams aren't going to pay a lot for half a season of Rondo when they can just sign him in a few months anyway.

On Rondo's side, he's not getting any younger. He would never stay for a long rebuild with these rookies with a slim hope of competing when he's in his mid 30's.

[PAOBoston]

The other consistent response is to crap all over Embiid and Noel for not playing an NBA game yet and having injuries. This is another biased, one sided argument. Many people on here really wanted Embiid to fall to us. The perspectives massively shifted once Phili took him. Even Ainge admitted on the radio that he would have taken Embiid at 6, and the celtics doctors did not red-flag him as a major injury risk. Noel had the same injury Rondo had, so if he's washed up at 19 then Rondo is totally worthless at his age coming off the same injury, and so is Westbrook. As for not having played in the NBA yet, neither has Smart, yet you guys are calling him a future all-star. Let's face it, if we had Noel and Embiid, and Saric, the tone on here for those guys would be totally different. Most fans would be ecstatic.

Nobody is saying they are washed up because of injuries. But you overrate them drastically for not playing a single minute yet though. Both of those guys are HUGE projects. Just because they have high ceilings it doesnt mean they'll reach them. Neither one of those guys is anywhere close to NBA ready. Noel has ZERO offensive game and is a string bean center. Embiid has been playing basketball for like 3 years. It's a huge jump to the NBA and he'll have to do it after a serious injury. Saric might not even come over for 3 years and who knows if he'll even be able to play at all considering his tweener status as a SF/PF.

At least with Sully/Olynyk we have some tangible evidence of what they can do in the NBA (albeit it basically just a full season each) and at least smart is very good at defense already so that can translate to the next level. I dont think you can say Noel/Embiid are great at anything. They have the potential to be great. Whether they get there is the question.

[letsgoblue86]

We haven't been able to land a decent center for years and they have two of the best young centers in the league. Much better than the combo of Sully and KO in my opinion.

So two guys who have not played a single minute in an NBA basketball game are considered the best in the league?  At least Sully and KO have played.