Phili is way ahead of us on the rebuild

[hpantazo]

First off, I love the picks of Smart and Young, both excellent choices who will be very good players. Looking at Phili's haul this year and last though, they are way ahead of us on building a contender. They have MCW, although not as good as Rondo, he is last year's rookie of the year who is also not hitting 30 and looking to leave if his team doesn't put vet stars around him.

Then the centerpieces of their rebuild, the twin towers of Embiid and Noel. What an awesome foundation to build around. We haven't been able to land a decent center for years and they have two of the best young centers in the league. Much better than the combo of Sully and KO in my opinion.

Next is Saric. Sure, he won't be in the league for 1-2 years, but he could be the most talented player to come out of this draft. He is at least likely to equal Smart, if not surpass him.

To top it off, with Embiid needing recovery time and Saric in Turkey, they will get another top 5 pick next year.

I'm not panicing, Ainge still has assets and the offseason is still young, so he may make some big moves, but I'm envying Phili's roster right now.

[Future Celtics Owner]

First off, I love the picks of Smart and Young, both excellent choices who will be very good players. Looking at Phili's haul this year and last though, they are way ahead of us on building a contender. They have MCW, although not as good as Rondo, he is last year's rookie of the year who is also not hitting 30 and looking to leave if his team doesn't put vet stars around him.

Then the centerpieces of their rebuild, the twin towers of Embiid and Noel. What an awesome foundation to build around. We haven't been able to land a decent center for years and they have two of the best young centers in the league. Much better than the combo of Sully and KO in my opinion.

Next is Saric. Sure, he won't be in the league for 1-2 years, but he could be the most talented player to come out of this draft. He is at least likely to equal Smart, if not surpass him.

To top it off, with Embiid needing recovery time and Saric in Turkey, they will get another top 5 pick next year.

I'm not panicing, Ainge still has assets and the offseason is still young, so he may make some big moves, but I'm envying Phili's roster right now.

He is at least likely to equal Smart, if not surpass him.

I do not agree with this. I think Smart is a much better prospect. I just can't wait for him to play because I know he is going to make everyone here fall head over heels for him.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Until the time that Rondo is traded or leaves via free-agency, our rebuild situation is ahead of Philly. And I hope Rondo is retained after this season.

Now, if Rondo starts stinking up the joint, then I'll have to reassess... but the commodity that is Rajon Rondo in our roster makes a world of difference. That said, that can easily change of Philly gathers some actual proven talent soon, but until then they just have a collection of assets, nothing more.

[BballTim]

First off, I love the picks of Smart and Young, both excellent choices who will be very good players. Looking at Phili's haul this year and last though, they are way ahead of us on building a contender. They have MCW, although not as good as Rondo, he is last year's rookie of the year who is also not hitting 30 and looking to leave if his team doesn't put vet stars around him.

Then the centerpieces of their rebuild, the twin towers of Embiid and Noel. What an awesome foundation to build around. We haven't been able to land a decent center for years and they have two of the best young centers in the league. Much better than the combo of Sully and KO in my opinion.

Next is Saric. Sure, he won't be in the league for 1-2 years, but he could be the most talented player to come out of this draft. He is at least likely to equal Smart, if not surpass him.

To top it off, with Embiid needing recovery time and Saric in Turkey, they will get another top 5 pick next year.

I'm not panicing, Ainge still has assets and the offseason is still young, so he may make some big moves, but I'm envying Phili's roster right now.

  It's hard to compete with their rebuild when two players who haven't even seen the court are already among the best in the league at their position.

[Sketch5]

They are a head of us because they are in year 2 of the rebuild and we are in year 1.

Their two bigs have had serious injury's . Noel more than one torn ACL. And since he bases his game on athletics, who knows how that effect him.

Saric wont play for two years, and plays the PF, so Noel will have to be moved if they keep Saric. So that's a good trading piece for next season or the year after. They are about 4 or 5 years out of having a complete team to move forward the way they are doing it, unless they can get some FA's to sign.

Boston for young guns have, AB(maybe),Sully,KO,Pressy,Johnson,Fav,Smart,Young. You actually have a team with that. A great team, not really, but some really solid pieces.  And who knows about Smart, could be a good corner piece like Sully, Young is only 18, and maned up in the tourney last year. He could be really good. DA did a good job with the jump start of the rebuild when he got Sully and KO. Then moving PP and KG for picks will help the rebuild faster.

In two years both teams could be fighting each other for playoff spots. So I wouldn't say Philly is WAY ahead of us. They might have a better piece in Embiid, but Smart will be no slouch, and could have better teammates around him.

[Celtics18]

Until the time that Rondo is traded or leaves via free-agency, our rebuild situation is ahead of Philly. And I hope Rondo is retained after this season.

Now, if Rondo starts stinking up the joint, then I'll have to reassess... but the commodity that is Rajon Rondo in our roster makes a world of difference. That said, that can easily change of Philly gathers some actual proven talent soon, but until then they just have a collection of assets, nothing more.

Agreed.  Having Rondo puts us in the lead. 

[Kane3387]

It's too early to make this statement.

They have no one as good as rondo. No one.

Embiid might be an injury riddled bust. Oden style. Bowie style. In three years hinkie could be losing his job and being ridiculed out of Philly for passing on exum, the next penny hardaway, for a guy with fractures in his back and foot who only played hoops for 4 years.

Noel has shown zip due to injury. Mcw may never get much better then a stat stuffer on a bottom feeder with a broke shot.

There is nothing proven in Philly. Nothing. Rondo is proven.

[clover]

It's too early to make this statement.

They have no one as good as rondo. No one.

Embiid might be an injury riddled bust. Oden style. Bowie style. In three years hinkie could be losing his job and being ridiculed out of Philly for passing on exum, the next penny hardaway, for a guy with fractures in his back and foot who only played hoops for 4 years.

Noel has shown zip due to injury. Mcw may never get much better then a stat stuffer on a bottom feeder with a broke shot.

There is nothing proven in Philly. Nothing. Rondo is proven.

But the C's very likely will be unable to keep Rondo through a rebuild.

Saric could possibly play as a good large 3, and between Noel and Embiid, they should have the center position covered--even if one struggles on health. They'll be horrid one more year, for which they should be able to land another great player next June, and then they're good to go.

If the C's are following in their footsteps, they'll end up with Vitor and Colton at the 5, Rondo and possibly Green traded, for their own horrid 'year two' of a rebuild.

[BballTim]

It's too early to make this statement.

They have no one as good as rondo. No one.

Embiid might be an injury riddled bust. Oden style. Bowie style. In three years hinkie could be losing his job and being ridiculed out of Philly for passing on exum, the next penny hardaway, for a guy with fractures in his back and foot who only played hoops for 4 years.

Noel has shown zip due to injury. Mcw may never get much better then a stat stuffer on a bottom feeder with a broke shot.

There is nothing proven in Philly. Nothing. Rondo is proven.

But the C's very likely will be unable to keep Rondo through a rebuild.

  The C's might lose Rondo, but based on everything he's said about wanting to stay that's not a huge concern.

[moiso]

I don't think Philly is ahead of us at all.  I'm not crazy about MCW.  Embiid may or may not be able to stay on the court eventually.  Saric won't be around for a couple years.  I'm not impressed with anything about Philly.

[Celtics4ever]

Not if Embiid is Oden 2 which he might be folks.

[bhbf08]

"2 of the best young centers in the league..."   ummm  well, that should probably read "2 young centers coming off injury who had a lot of potential, but are dealing with career threatening injuries who haven't played or even practiced a single minute in the NBA"   

Plus, Philly has been rebuilding since AI left, so they have quite the jump start on rebuilding!

[Mr October]

It is fun to look at Philadelphia's potential and imagine that everything works perfectly for them in 4 years.

But that's the key, 4 years. That team is going to be terrible next year, and with Embiid coming back from injury, before he can get his rhythm and weight room work in, they will probably be terrible the following year. That will be 3 years in a row of sub 30 win basketball.

Then maybe, just maybe all those young players will mature enough to get 40 wins and sniff the playoffs 3 years from now, and get swept. Then in four years if everything goes right, maybe they start contending for an actual series win or two. By then they will also have to start doling out max deals to all these players that might pan out to be all stars.

That is 4 years and a lot of maybes.

Meanwhile if the Celtics play their cards well and find just a serviceable center, they will be back in the playoffs next year!

[Celtics18]

"2 of the best young centers in the league..."   ummm  well, that should probably read "2 young centers coming off injury who had a lot of potential, but are dealing with career threatening injuries who haven't played or even practiced a single minute in the NBA"   

Plus, Philly has been rebuilding since AI left, so they have quite the jump start on rebuilding!

Right.  Entering year 9 of the 15 year rebuild plan.  So close, they can taste it!

[PAOBoston]

First off, I love the picks of Smart and Young, both excellent choices who will be very good players. Looking at Phili's haul this year and last though, they are way ahead of us on building a contender. They have MCW, although not as good as Rondo, he is last year's rookie of the year who is also not hitting 30 and looking to leave if his team doesn't put vet stars around him.

Then the centerpieces of their rebuild, the twin towers of Embiid and Noel. What an awesome foundation to build around. We haven't been able to land a decent center for years and they have two of the best young centers in the league. Much better than the combo of Sully and KO in my opinion.

Next is Saric. Sure, he won't be in the league for 1-2 years, but he could be the most talented player to come out of this draft. He is at least likely to equal Smart, if not surpass him.

To top it off, with Embiid needing recovery time and Saric in Turkey, they will get another top 5 pick next year.

I'm not panicing, Ainge still has assets and the offseason is still young, so he may make some big moves, but I'm envying Phili's roster right now.

Well, to be fair, Philly is about a year ahead of us in the rebuilding process.

On paper, I guess you can say that they have a nice core to rebuild around. But in reality I'm really not that optimistic about their young players. Noel has already had 2 ACL injuries and hasn't played a single NBA minute yet. He's also offensively challenged and a very slender build for a C/PF prospect. Embiid probably wont play at all this year, has an injury history (that may or may not be a problem. Who knows?), and is a relatively raw prospect (albeit with a high ceiling but he could also be a massive bust). Saric probably wont come to the NBA for 3 years (if ever). He just signed a 2 year deal with Efes in Turkey, will be on good wages, and playing in the Euro league for the next 3 seasons.  Also not that in love with MCW. It might be telling when you hear pre draft rumors about trading the Rookie of the Year for a lotto pick.

They are gonna be really really bad (like laughingstock bad) for at least another 2-3 years if not more.

At least with Boston, we've seen Sully/Olynyk play and kind of know what they can do and how they project and Smart at worst is going to be a very good defender. I dont think you can make those same predictions with the Philly core.