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Which rebuild team is doing the best job IYO
« on: June 27, 2014, 10:41:05 PM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 I really like what Philly is doing. Someone made a comment that you could never get away with this before, but fans are getting smarter and you can sell us a long term plan if it sounds good. They look bad today, but Embiid, Nerlens, Saric, Eventually this is all going to come together and I like it.

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 I really like what Philly is doing. Someone made a comment that you could never get away with this before, but fans are getting smarter and you can sell us a long term plan if it sounds good. They look bad today, but Embiid, Nerlens, Saric, Eventually this is all going to come together and I like it.

Embiid and Noel alone sold me already. If those pan out, that's a twin tower duo you'd want to play with. In three years, they'll be 22 and 23 respectively, still young but will be very experienced in the NBA.
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You know, apples, cucumbers and tabasco sauce are all great items...put them together...eh, not so great! ;)

There are no guarantees in Philly...everything looks better on paper, but I'm not sold that they will be the team to beat in 2 - 3 years.

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i really like how Philly is looking as well. They're getting high picks and high prospects without actually playing the prospects, which leads to high picks the following year. They could be the Thunder in 2-3 years with Embiid, Noel, MCW and Saric.

or conversely, if all their picks bust, they could be the Bucks.

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 10:50:39 PM »

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 Nobody is saying anything about three years from now. Just they are on the right track and maybe they can get a championship run for the first time in a while. If those bigs stay healthy watch out.

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Does Phoenix count?

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 11:24:25 PM »

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I'm super jealous of Philly fans. I know they stink now but in a few years they have the potential to be dominant... That gives them hope ... Something we really don't have right now.  We might be a competitive team, but there's little hope of a contender in the near future.

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2014, 12:59:17 AM »

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Ryen Russillo made a nice point about the Sixers on his radio show. People still are stuck on this outdated notion of drafted players making an early impact on their team, because in the past that was the case. However, as we all know these days the best players come when they're 19, 20 as unfinished products. Only a few are actually impact players their first year. Even those that are considered successful are usually just putting up statistics on a bad team, not really making a huge impact to the actual win-loss record.

If you look at MLB, nobody looks at their draft and thinks, "team A needs to take a pitcher because their rotation this year is shaky," because it takes 3-5 years for most prospects to develop. People need to start looking at the NBA draft in the same way now.

The problem is that the NBA still relies on the college game as an informal, free "minor league." Wise to this, players are coming out of that farcical situation as early as possible before they're really ready in order to maximize their earning potential. If the NBA and NCAA could work something out where a player is drafted but allowed to stay in school, or if the NBDL ever became a legitimate option, things would be different. However the odds of either happening are very slim.

The problem is also exacerbated by the lottery system which rewards teams for being bad. Throwing rookies who aren't ready into the fire isn't so bad if you're rewarded for losing. The Sixers didn't create the system, they're just trying to take advantage of it like any competitive organization should. We should be happy the Sixers are flaunting the system because by exploiting it, they are shining a spotlight on the flaws and maybe we'll see some change.

We should really stop looking at the 30 teams as being equals. The fallacy is the idea that all 30 teams "have a shot" and are trying to win as many games as possible. The reality is that different teams have different goals for the season, but they are all lumped together in this imperfect scenario called the 82-game season. That's how at the end of the year, the Sixers owner can say the season was a "success." There was a lot of outrage, but what else could you call it? If you met your desired goal from the beginning of the season, isn't that the definition of "success"? They just had different goals than say, a playoff team. Rebuilding NBA teams are like minor league teams that are somehow in the same field as major league teams. Just like nobody cares if the Pawtucket Red Sox win or lose, just that the players are developing, so is the case with the Philadelphia 76ers last season.

Change the draft so that losing is not rewarded. Allow drafted players to continue playing in college until they're actually ready to join a 15-man roster that is actually attempting to win, not tank. Eliminate the rookie scale and replace it with something that doesn't pressure players to enter the league as soon as possible.


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Philly's going to be bad for a long time. I don't think it's easy to build a winner when you're trying to lose. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2014, 01:31:22 AM »

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It's unquestionably Phoenix. One year into their rebuild and they competed for a playoff spot in the West, and I believe they have a bunch of draft picks from trades and pretty good cap situation.

There's no way you can say it's Philly until you see how some of their picks play in actual games. They could be busts and they won't even know it until after they've had 3 or 4 straight lottery years. At least they'll already be at the bottom when they start over.

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Philly's going to be bad for a long time. I don't think it's easy to build a winner when you're trying to lose.

Exactly.  As bad as the Celts were last year, they were still trying to develop players.  Last year and the next couple of seasons will be tough on the Philly players.  I doubt some of the Spurs players would have developed so well if they were on lousy teams.

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I don't see how anyone can say Philly.  They have become a complete joke.  Embiid was raw coming out and would need a year or two to really have an impact.  Now set that back another year and it could be three years before he is an effective player and that is if he doesn't get hurt again.

Noel, who knows on that guy.  He hasn't played a game in a long long time.  Is Saric going to come over if Philly is still winning less than 20 games a season because Noel turns out to be not that good and Embiid never gets and stays healthy? 

I think Philly is in for at least two more years of being the worst team in the NBA and then they might climb up to mediocrity. 

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Philly or Orlando. Probably Philly.

They might not come to fruition for another 3 years, but MCW (if they don't move him), Embiid, Noel (who many project as a possible 4), and Saric if they all pan out will be a frontcourt unrivaled going forward.

In reality though, they're an extreme version of Ainge. They're compiling assets, and know it's a process that'll take years to realize.

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I'm super jealous of Philly fans. I know they stink now but in a few years they have the potential to be dominant... That gives them hope ... Something we really don't have right now.  We might be a competitive team, but there's little hope of a contender in the near future.

If the Sixers win multiple titles and become a dominant force in the NBA, then I'll be super jealous. Right Now the Sixers are going to stink for a long time, and who knows If Embiid, Saric or Noel will pan out. The Celtics have tons of hope with Rondo, Smart and the front office headlined by Danny Anige. You may not see it, but I feel that the future will be great for the Celtics.

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You can't look at Philly's current roster and assume it will stay the same going forward. They need one or two of their young players to become legitimate stars, then trade the lesser pieces for whatever star becomes available in say, 2-3 years from now. Embiid is a good risk because he has more upside than any player in the draft. If he pans out they have a potential Anthony Davis/Duncan level talent and as we all know those kind of players are almost impossible to acquire.

If Embiid and Saric are great two years from now, nobody will be complaining that they shoudn't have been drafted because they didn't contribute much/anything in the 2014 and 2015 seasons.