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Will we be better next year - As Is
« on: June 27, 2014, 03:02:38 AM »

Offline rutzan

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rondo / healthier
sully / healthier
olynk / improves
bradley / ?
bayless / ?
hump / ?
wallace / coming back from injury and one year older
smart
young

i say at best we are a 35 win team...which begs the question...TANK...which means trading rondo...i do not think it there is any way around it...unless...we get love...
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 03:05:57 AM »

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Quote from: rutzan on June 27, 2014, 03:02:38 AM
rondo / healthier
sully / healthier
olynk / improves
bradley / ?
bayless / ?
hump / ?
wallace / coming back from injury and one year older
smart
young

i say at best we are a 35 win team...which begs the question...TANK...which means trading rondo...i do not think it there is any way around it...unless...we get love...

You're putting in like 3-4 players that we may or may not bring back...

Lets see what happens around July 1st, during FA. I do think Love may come here still.
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Re: Will we be better next year - As Is
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 03:27:08 AM »

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Given the following line-up:

Rondo/Pressey/Smart
Bradley/Smart/Young
Green/Wallace/Young
Sully/KO/Bass
Faverani/Iverson/Anthony

Adding Free Agents (3 and D players), our ceiling would be at least 40 wins; floor: 35 wins;

We make the playoffs as 6th - 8th seed

We have 2 picks by 2015 (our own and the Clippers pick).

Let the youth movement begin.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 03:34:34 AM »

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I think right now we are much better. It depends on Rondo and if DA is trading him and then we tank for a pick.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 03:39:43 AM »

Offline Nef-Oracle

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Maybe 8th seed or more with at least 35 wins (or more) but only if Fav, Bradley & Rondo are healthy; Oly & Sully are improving, Jeff Green is consistent, & the rookies are good.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 09:05:22 AM »

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I worry that another 30-35 win season will hurt Ainge's ability to get top tier free agents to join the team next summer. I think Ainge will be left picking from 2nd tier guys.

I think it is important Ainge makes a move that gets the team back in the playoffs.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 10:05:14 AM »

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Quote from: Who on June 27, 2014, 09:05:22 AM
I worry that another 30-35 win season will hurt Ainge's ability to get top tier free agents to join the team next summer. I think Ainge will be left picking from 2nd tier guys.

I think it is important Ainge makes a move that gets the team back in the playoffs.

+1. The team has currently constituted is a 25 - 35 win team. But we all know there will be plenty more moves. Either go for the big tank or go for another star to play with Rondo and a center. The in-between stuff won't work.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 01:03:55 PM »

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Quote from: Who on June 27, 2014, 09:05:22 AM
I worry that another 30-35 win season will hurt Ainge's ability to get top tier free agents to join the team next summer. I think Ainge will be left picking from 2nd tier guys.

I think it is important Ainge makes a move that gets the team back in the playoffs.

I honestly rather have 5 2nd tier guys with a team midset  then 3 1st tiers unless Durant is paired with Lebron!  Great team players with specific specialties, kinda like a spurs route. Everyone in the NBA is getting reeeaaalll talented. The big 3 only won 1 game in an anticipated 3-peat. If you got multiple great players, any given day one can play like a "kobe" or a "ray ray" or a "duncan"
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 01:06:16 PM »

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I think Smart can contribute right away, I see him as a 20ppg at least, but this season, he might be producing about 8-10 ppg, after all-star break I would say about 14-16ppg 2rpg 3 apg and 1 spg

I also think his contribution will also depend on if Bradley stays or leave

If Bradley leaves, I see his production higher than what I just said
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 01:10:33 PM »

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Really thinking this team as currently constructed is about a 25 win team. Relying on young and/or inexperienced players like Sully, Olynyk, Young, Smart, Pressey, Johnson, Babb and Faverani is a short cut to being the worst team in the league. Youth doesn't win and Rondo didn't look all that excited about playing for a losing team with no chance last year, can't see that attitude changing if this is our team along with Bradley, Green, Bass and Wallace.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 01:12:11 PM »

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let's see what we look like after free agency first before evaluating if we'll be better next year. 

We have no starting-quality center at the moment so until that's addressed, and in what manner, it's way to soon to speculate.  For example, if we landed a Sanders-level center, I think we'd win about 35 games.  If we land another Joel Anthony-level center, I think we're looking at 27-28 wins.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2014, 01:13:36 PM »

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We'll be better but I think it'll be an incremental increase. 

Multi-year rebuild.  You want fireworks?  I think it happens in Summer '15.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2014, 01:13:57 PM »

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Too many decisions still to be made to even give anything more than a knee jerk answer.

Bradley is now first on my radar...what happens with him?

Center position...what are our options there?

Free agents...anybody we have our eye on particularly?  Or maybe that should be realistically...Lebron, Anthony, etc aren't likely to come walking through that door.

We got two great kids...for right now, I'm happy.

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2014, 01:18:40 PM »

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Quote from: Donoghus on June 27, 2014, 01:13:36 PM
We'll be better but I think it'll be an incremental increase. 

Multi-year rebuild.  You want fireworks?  I think it happens in Summer '15.
I agree with the incremental rebuild notion. We should be better this year than last year due to a healthy Rondo and the addition of Smart (I don't expect Young to play much) but not so much better that we are a good team.

I think the goal this year is to show the league that the Celtics team has a high ceiling so that it becomes an attractive free agent destination.
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 01:18:53 PM »

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Quote from: Who on June 27, 2014, 09:05:22 AM
I worry that another 30-35 win season will hurt Ainge's ability to get top tier free agents to join the team next summer. I think Ainge will be left picking from 2nd tier guys.

I think it is important Ainge makes a move that gets the team back in the playoffs.
I don't think it'll have much of an impact TBH.  assuming no big moves this offseason --> biggest move we make is using the MLE or TPE to get a serviceable starting center --> no all-star but not completely useless and can eat up 30+ minutes a game,  I see this as a development year for KO, Sully, Smart and Young.  Next year Bass and Anthony are off the books to free up more space.  Rondo's off the books too and with smart cap management, there's enough room to sign Rondo and a good FA and enough assets to trade for one more (Green and Wallace are then expiring deals that can be used as salary balance in a deal for a star making big bucks).

I'm ok with how we're progressing so far this offseason.  not ecstatic but ok.  if during the next offseason we are moving in a significantly better direction, I'll be shocked and disappointed.
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