Trade Exception for a late 1st?

[scotto1205]

Im starting to think that a team might really look at the pp trade exception as a really nice asset to have to help bring in a superstar.  Im starting to think maybe suns, houston, okc might be possible players, im not sure it can buy us into late first or not, but it could be more useful then a rookie who might not get big minutes. Maybe it will be enough to buy us into the early second. What do you guys think? If were not going to use it to bring in someone I think da pushes hard to move him.

[jambr380]

I doubt Danny goes for this until at least July 9th.

If it comes down to it, he may take on a dead-weight expiring contract and an asset (future first or recently chosen draft choice that he wanted), otherwise he is going to search for something a bit more useful for the immediate future.

[Future Celtics Owner]

What if we could did the tpe bogans etc and 17 to La for #7 and nash

[LarBrd33]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

[kozlodoev]

Not sure it's worth taking on a big contract for a late first.

[the_Bird]

That's not the way the TPE works.

First of all, the TPE is not a "thing", and it can't be traded to other teams. It is simply an allowance that lets you bring in salary that you don't have to match. You can use it to sign a player, or to acquire a player from another team without sending anyone back. However, you cannot package it in a bigger trade.

So, how about no?

In real world terms, though...  if we made a trade with another team that was over the cap.  Let's say we took on a player earning $10M and a first-round draft pick, and sent back a 2nd rounder or a conditional pick or something.  We could absorb that player without having to send salary back out, because of the TPE. 

That then creates a *new* TPE for the other team, right, since they sent out $10M and took back no salary?

Technically, you're not trading the TPE.  But, it basically works the same, in that you're creating a new one, which is even better because it's resetting the one-year clock.

Am I missing something?  This is, of course, predicated on the other team having an expiring contract they're looking to dump.

But I agree, you aren't going to take on an $8M or $10M salary for a guy you don't want, just for a late pick.  The next JuJuan/Giddens/Fab Melo ain't worth that much!

[Future Celtics Owner]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

I kind of like that idea. Obviously would hope to get the 4th. That team has real issues staying healthy.

[LarBrd33]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

I kind of like that idea. Obviously would hope to get the 4th. That team has real issues staying healthy.

I think that Pelicans team will be a contender pretty soon.  Wouldn't be shocked to see that pick end up in the 20-30 range.  What happens to it if that happens... does Houston get nothing?

[saltlover]

That's not the way the TPE works.

First of all, the TPE is not a "thing", and it can't be traded to other teams. It is simply an allowance that lets you bring in salary that you don't have to match. You can use it to sign a player, or to acquire a player from another team without sending anyone back. However, you cannot package it in a bigger trade.

So, how about no?

In real world terms, though...  if we made a trade with another team that was over the cap.  Let's say we took on a player earning $10M and a first-round draft pick, and sent back a 2nd rounder or a conditional pick or something.  We could absorb that player without having to send salary back out, because of the TPE. 

That then creates a *new* TPE for the other team, right, since they sent out $10M and took back no salary?

Technically, you're not trading the TPE.  But, it basically works the same, in that you're creating a new one, which is even better because it's resetting the one-year clock.

Am I missing something?  This is, of course, predicated on the other team having an expiring contract they're looking to dump.

But I agree, you aren't going to take on an $8M or $10M salary for a guy you don't want, just for a late pick.  The next JuJuan/Giddens/Fab Melo ain't worth that much!

What you're describing would create a trade exception for the other team, not one for the Celtics.  The Celtics could "recycle" their trade exception if, for example, they traded Jeff Green for another player who's salary was approximately $10 million.  They could use the trade exception to absorb the new player and create a new exception equal to Green's contract.

[D.o.s.]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

I kind of like that idea. Obviously would hope to get the 4th. That team has real issues staying healthy.

I think that Pelicans team will be a contender pretty soon.  Wouldn't be shocked to see that pick end up in the 20-30 range.  What happens to it if that happens... does Houston get nothing?

Right. Houston only get the pick from 4-20. Top 3 or 21 down and it stays in NO.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

I kind of like that idea. Obviously would hope to get the 4th. That team has real issues staying healthy.

I think that Pelicans team will be a contender pretty soon.  Wouldn't be shocked to see that pick end up in the 20-30 range.  What happens to it if that happens... does Houston get nothing?

Right. Houston only get the pick from 4-20. Top 3 or 21 down and it stays in NO.

Well thats something you don't see everyday...

[LarBrd33]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

I kind of like that idea. Obviously would hope to get the 4th. That team has real issues staying healthy.

I think that Pelicans team will be a contender pretty soon.  Wouldn't be shocked to see that pick end up in the 20-30 range.  What happens to it if that happens... does Houston get nothing?

Right. Houston only get the pick from 4-20. Top 3 or 21 down and it stays in NO.

Well thats something you don't see everyday...

Yeah... there's no incentive for Houston if the pick ends up Top 3 or 21-30??  They don't get a 2nd rounder or something for their troubles?

[LooseCannon]

Given the rumors of Toronto possibly acquiring #22 from Memphis by taking on Tayshaun Prince, that would be an idea.  Would you be willing to take on another past-his-prime SF for that pick?

[jambr380]

If we go full youth movement and trade Rondo for #8-11...

Don't rule out using the trade exception for Lin and the 2015 Pelican's 4-17 pick... It seems reasonable that they'd float that pick in an effort to dump Lin's salary.  He's only got a 1 year deal... he could play default PG on our tank job 2.0

I kind of like that idea. Obviously would hope to get the 4th. That team has real issues staying healthy.

I think that Pelicans team will be a contender pretty soon.  Wouldn't be shocked to see that pick end up in the 20-30 range.  What happens to it if that happens... does Houston get nothing?

Right. Houston only get the pick from 4-20. Top 3 or 21 down and it stays in NO.

Well thats something you don't see everyday...

Yeah... there's no incentive for Houston if the pick ends up Top 3 or 21-30??  They don't get a 2nd rounder or something for their troubles?

This doesn't sound correct. I obviously understand the top 3 protection by the Pelicans, but I assumed Houston was protecting themselves with 21-30, possibly hoping for better next year. If no future pick, wouldn't the 21-30 protection be irrelevant since it's a worse pick anyway?