Over or under TJ Warren 17 PPG in three years.

[KG Living Legend]

 I think this kid is the biggest sleeper in the draft. People say oh he cant shoot with range. Ok but he shot .555%Fg for his career. He's not a good athlete, but he's 6'8" and jumped 35.5" at the combine. He's deadly from fifteen feet and in from literally Everywhere. He doesn't need to sight the basket he just tosses them up from anywhere and they go in. He's a born scorer. And I'm sure he can gain a little more range in his time in the Pro's.

 People this kid played two years in the ACC. And went from 12 PPG and 4 RPG, to 25 PPG and 7 RPG. Whats this kids ceiling?

[jambr380]

I actually like TJ Warren, but there is a good chance he won't go in the top 20. If he was expected to score above 17 ppg in his career, he would be in the discussion for the Cs #6 pick.

I agree that he has potential to be a very good scorer in the NBA, but I have to take the under on this one.

[NorthernLightning]

He really could have 23 ppg scoring potential.

He really could be some kind of bigger James Harden type scorer, with more of an emphasis on scoring around the basket.

His last few weeks of the season were off the charts. He was averaging almost 30 ppg for a stretch there, going for over 40 twice in a row against ACC teams. Jabari only scored 30 or more a couple times all season.

There's big star potential there that will be looked back at regretfully by several teams that pass him over, if he does indeed fall to the late teens.

[Hawkeye199]

OVER DEFIANTLY OVER

[CM0]

Over. 23 PPG wouldn't shock me.

No player has grown on me more than Warren. I was so-so on him a few months ago (though truth be told I had never watched an NC State game in full). Now I fully believe that he can be a perennial all-star. I really, really like his demeanor both on and off-court and love his unique in-between game and scoring touch. Unlike a lot of the other prospects, his rare scoring abilities and atypical offensive skills are very likely to translate from college ball to the NBA. He is a nightmare in transition and can create his own shot in the halfcourt with his array of weapons.

I hope the Celtics are willing to trade up from #17 to grab him if he doesn't slip. Smart + Warren would be an incredible haul tonight.

[Geo123]

He really could have 23 ppg scoring potential.

He really could be some kind of bigger James Harden type scorer, with more of an emphasis on scoring around the basket.

His last few weeks of the season were off the charts. He was averaging almost 30 ppg for a stretch there, going for over 40 twice in a row against ACC teams. Jabari only scored 30 or more a couple times all season.

There's big star potential there that will be looked back at regretfully by several teams that pass him over, if he does indeed fall to the late teens.

23PPG?  Come on now, only 8 people in the entire league averaged that much and you think within 3 year Warren will be doing that?  Let's get realistic here people... 

[SHAQATTACK]

He won't play 17 minute a game the first year ,,much less score that amount.

[RyNye]

Definitely taking the under.

First of all, pure probability is against it. Looking at the history of the league, very few players average over that so soon in their careers anyway. So it's always smart to take the field on this one, regardless of how you feel about Warren as a player.

Second of all, I'm not high on Warren. In fact, I really, really hope we don't draft him. I've seen him in person more than any other player besides Jabari Parker (I live in NC), and I really don't think he is going to pan out. He is a high volume, low efficiency shooter. He's also a bad passer and ball handler. No thanks.

(Seriously, all you people saying he has a touch from everywhere on the court, have you even watched him? He can't shoot from beyond the college 3 point line at all. His shooting numbers are TERRIBLE. He just scores a lot because he shoots a lot. Although he is pretty good at scoring close to the basket, all of his long range shooting numbers are abysmal. He can't even shoot free throws.)

[colincb]

He really could have 23 ppg scoring potential.

He really could be some kind of bigger James Harden type scorer, with more of an emphasis on scoring around the basket.

His last few weeks of the season were off the charts. He was averaging almost 30 ppg for a stretch there, going for over 40 twice in a row against ACC teams. Jabari only scored 30 or more a couple times all season.

There's big star potential there that will be looked back at regretfully by several teams that pass him over, if he does indeed fall to the late teens.

23PPG?  Come on now, only 8 people in the entire league averaged that much and you think within 3 year Warren will be doing that?  Let's get realistic here people...

CelticsBlog, where realism takes a back seat to fantasy.

I like Warren at #17 more so than over 17. Tough to see him get there in 3 years with Green and Wallace locked in for the next 2 years at SF.

[slamtheking]

I certainly wouldn't mind him with the 17th pick but find it doubtful he ever averages 15 per game at any time in his career

[bucknersrevenge]

He really could have 23 ppg scoring potential.

He really could be some kind of bigger James Harden type scorer, with more of an emphasis on scoring around the basket.

His last few weeks of the season were off the charts. He was averaging almost 30 ppg for a stretch there, going for over 40 twice in a row against ACC teams. Jabari only scored 30 or more a couple times all season.

There's big star potential there that will be looked back at regretfully by several teams that pass him over, if he does indeed fall to the late teens.

23PPG?  Come on now, only 8 people in the entire league averaged that much and you think within 3 year Warren will be doing that?  Let's get realistic here people...

CelticsBlog, where realism takes a back seat to fantasy.

I like Warren at #17 more so than over 17. Tough to see him get there in 3 years with Green and Wallace locked in for the next 2 years at SF.

Did the OP put any conditions about him being a Celtic and averaging 17 a game? I didn't see any. And considering that at the moment we really don't have many commitments past the next 2 years, I'm not seeing why it couldn't be possible here. He DOES have touch all over the court. He has the size to score in traffic and while his 3 pt shot wasn't consistent last year he's still young enough and is working on it. You guys realize that we're not talking about a senior here right? He was a sophomore last year, just like Marcus Smart was. Obviously like with most rookies predictions like this are gonna depend on the team he lands on. But TJ Warren has been scoring 25ppg off curls, backdoor cuts, floaters, and the like against mostly zone defenses in college geared to stop him. Now he's gonna be able to do the same thing against mostly man-to man defense not keyed on him(at least not initially). You're deluding yourself if you don't think this kid knows how to score.

[MBunge]

(Seriously, all you people saying he has a touch from everywhere on the court, have you even watched him? He can't shoot from beyond the college 3 point line at all. His shooting numbers are TERRIBLE. He just scores a lot because he shoots a lot. Although he is pretty good at scoring close to the basket, all of his long range shooting numbers are abysmal. He can't even shoot free throws.)

He shot 58% from the field, despite hitting just 27% from three and taking over 3.3 three-pointers a game.  So he clearly didn't just score a lot because he shot a lot.  His freethrow percentage also went from 54% as a freshman to 69% as a sophomore, which says something about his work ethic.

And the obsession with shooting threes stems entirely from the fetish for floor spacing, which itself flows from the conviction that you win games by isolating your best players and letting them go one-one-one.

Mike

[D.o.s.]

Under.

[Fafnir]

And the obsession with shooting threes stems entirely from the fetish for floor spacing, which itself flows from the conviction that you win games by isolating your best players and letting them go one-one-one.

This isn't true at all.

Floor spacing is crucial to any sort of good offensive action and/or ball movement. Not to mention also being able to transition from offense to defense after the shot is taken.

[Fafnir]

Under.

Yup.