jeff green vs andrew wiggins

[Waew]

Can someone do a comparison? Also is Wiggins worse case scenario that he becomes a Jeff green? Or is that a moderate case scenario? It seems to me that Wiggins has the same "on/off switch" issue that green has had where they appear big one game, and the next their gone. Maybe I'm exagerrating it for Wiggins but idk.

[knuckleballer]

I think his on off switch was a result of Bill Self's offensive system.  It's a slow paced, nuanced system and last year there were mostly underclassmen playing.  All five Kansas starters from the previous season graduated or went pro.  The majority of the time Wiggins got the ball in the half court, he was out on the wing facing a zone defense while his teammates were standing in place.  There would always be a guy defending him with two bigs standing in the paint.  He didnt have a lot of options without forcing something.  If he tried to drive to the hoop, he had to go through three or four guys.

His good games came when teams tried to play man to man or weren't very disciplined in their zone defense.  When offensive plays broke down due to a loose ball or long rebound, he turned it on as he also did in transition. 

The NBA will be much more open and will be more conducive to his abilities.  Jeff Green doesn't seem to have the confidence or will to try to make plays consistently.  I don't think Wiggins had the opportunity.  There was just way too much standing around in the Kansas offense last year.

[cons]

i think u may be on to something here.
i see similarities.
i think its hard these days w the hype these kids get to tell if its justified or not.
the few times i saw wiggins play in college i can see where a jeff green comparison comes from

it would have to be a huge disappointment for whoever drafts him if thats how he winds up though, but i would say its possible he ends up like a jeff green type player.

[Who]

I think Andrew Wiggins becoming another Jeff Green level player is a worst case scenario (outside of injury related decline).
 
I think a best case scenario is more along the lines of Paul George.

I would say a moderate scenario is Wiggins becoming a Rudy Gay type.

[PaulAllen]

Wiggins will be a star.. That Kansas system held him back.. he will come out of the NBA dropping 25 a game

[LilRip]

yeah, Jeff Green scenario is likely the worst case scenario. I doubt it happens though. With the right environment and coaching (e.g. if he ends up in Boston), I think he'll be better than Paul George actually. However, ending up in a poor environment like the Cavs will probably hinder his growth.

[Mr October]

As knuckleballer said, there is a lot we still don't know about Wiggins due to playing in a college system that didn't move creatively on offense. It was encouraging to see that he was more aggressive when his team needed him, after Embiid got injured.

I don't know how well Wiggins will be as a shot creator for himself, or for others. He might be limited this way, and become a Paul George at best. I think he could be better than that, but he will need to be in the right environment.

He will defend on the perimeter better than Jeff Green, especially as his body fills out. His outside shot looks better than Green's. Wiggins is more of a 2/3 body and skill wise, whereas Jeff Green is a 3 with a touch of 4.

They both have that on/off switch. I think Jeff Green is Andrew Wiggins' floor. I really don't think Wiggins will vanish as much as Jeff Green though. By the first quarter you knew which Jeff Green you had that night. With Wiggins, you never knew when the aggressive stretch was coming where he was going to wow you on offense. But i always saw some of it in every game I watched.

It is hard to say what his moderate projection is. I don't think he will be the chucker that Rudy Gay is. His moderate projection could be like Klay Thompson with less shooting ability, or Gay with better shot selection and defense.

[BigAlTheFuture]

I have high hopes for the kid. I think Paul George is a moderate projection, his ceiling is unlimited. I think there is a VERY good chance he ends up being better than Paul George.

[kozlodoev]

Wiggins will be a star.. That Kansas system held him back.. he will come out of the NBA dropping 25 a game

Guys like Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis also were dropping 25 ppg at some point...

[Vox_Populi]

I think Andrew Wiggins becoming another Jeff Green level player is a worst case scenario (outside of injury related decline).
 
I think a best case scenario is more along the lines of Paul George.

I would say a moderate scenario is Wiggins becoming a Rudy Gay type.

Being selected to two All-NBA teams, All-Star games and All-Defense teams before his 25th birthday is a good best case scenario.

[D.o.s.]

Wiggins will be a star.. That Kansas system held him back.. he will come out of the NBA dropping 25 a game

Guys like Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis also were dropping 25 ppg at some point...

Somewhere along the way Ellis unfairly turned into the poster boy for "points are overrated." Dude is better at basketball than most people think, especially when he's got teammates that allow him to do what he does best -- attack the basket.

[gpap]

Wiggins will be a star.. That Kansas system held him back.. he will come out of the NBA dropping 25 a game

Guys like Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis also were dropping 25 ppg at some point...

Somewhere along the way Ellis unfairly turned into the poster boy for "points are overrated." Dude is better at basketball than most people think, especially when he's got teammates that allow him to do what he does best -- attack the basket.

Exactly.

Not quite sure when averaging alot of points per game became a bad thing in the NBA.

[joepatsfan]

I watch a lot of college BBall and saw a lot of Wiggins... and early on I said WOW this kid is the next Jeff Green....

He seems so out of it at times, like Green. There's a big on/off inconsistency factor, like Green. There's a ton of talent there but not always used, like Green.

Wiggins ceiling to me is T-Mac or P George
His floor is Jeff Green.

Now if Wiggins was pick #17 a Green-like player isn't bad, but top 3? Iffy

[biggs]

If he plays with "shoot first" Irving in Cleveland I could definitely see a Jeff Green dissapearing act in his future.  On that note, where would he benefit the most? I think Philly would be a good fit for him. 

[kozlodoev]

Wiggins will be a star.. That Kansas system held him back.. he will come out of the NBA dropping 25 a game

Guys like Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis also were dropping 25 ppg at some point...

Somewhere along the way Ellis unfairly turned into the poster boy for "points are overrated." Dude is better at basketball than most people think, especially when he's got teammates that allow him to do what he does best -- attack the basket.

I like Ellis. He's a solid guy who played hard and never complained while the incompetent GSW coaching staff was running him to the ground (literally and figuratively). However, he wasn't a real game changer for his team, despite the hefty stat sheet. Sure, the franchise was awful, but it's worth noting that in Ellis's two best seasons, the Warriors has 26 and 36 wins, respectively.

And yet, he's a perfect example of how guys who can pile up the points are not always fit to be franchise cornerstones. Would I pick a Monta Ellis with the first selection overall? Not sure.