Is there anyway we could shed enough salary for 2 max deals?

[KG_ended_Bias]

I am no capologist by any stretch. But we have enough picks, young BIGS & Rondo to sell off for space. So I'm asking Roy or whatever person good with the numbers could conceivably do something like this?

Rondo, Wallace & #17 to LA Lakers for a future 2nd.

Jeff Green, Bass, Olynyk & unconditional Nets pick & possibly the Clips #1 if need be to whomever with cap space?

We keep our #6 to draft Smart, Exam or Embiid & acquire Lebron & Mel After cutting Bogans!


PG: Smart or Exam
SG: Bradley
SF: Lebron
PF: Memo
C: Sullinger & Sign Greg Oden rim protection

Or

PG: Bradley or Cheap FA vet
SG: Lebron
SF: Melo
PF: Sully
C: Embiid or Vonleh or Gordon switch Sully back to Center

Still sign Greg Oden on the cheap. I know its far fetched but could this happen numbers wise?

[obnoxiousmime]

It's not going to happen unless you use draft picks to unload Wallace's deal. That was the cost of acquiring him, sacrificing flexibility and space for picks.

I could see Green possibly being unloaded without costing high picks, since he's productive and he might opt out next year.

EDIT: As far as Bass and Anthony goes (combined 11 million expiring) I think they could be dumped for some 2nd rounders.

[clover]

Why would Melo or LeBron sign to play with the C's if they had a rookie or journeyman PG?

[jambr380]

Ughhh, using Rondo to get rid of Wallace and still giving up the #17 - that is a huge overpay. Are we receiving back the #7? It isn't listed in your proposal.

I agree that somebody would probably be happy to take Green off our hands. Shedding Bass may take a late first or a couple of 2nds and Anthony would take the Philly picks.

It's honestly not a bad idea. I say we keep Rondo, KO, Sully and the #6 (Wallace for the #17 is very possible on its own - throw in LAC pick if we get desperate) and then go for two max guys. Obviously it would catapult us into contention, but getting guys like Lebron, Melo, Bosh, etc here would be the difficult part.

[LooseCannon]

It's possible but unlikely to be worth it.

Keep in mind that to create cap space to sign two max free agents, you probably have to renounce all free agents (including Avery Bradley) and you have to renounce all exceptions (including the MLE and the TPE from the Nets trade).

[manl_lui]

Rondo, Wallace & #17 to LA Lakers for a future 2nd.

HUH?

[droopdog7]

Ughhh, using Rondo to get rid of Wallace and still giving up the #17 - that is a huge overpay. Are we receiving back the #7? It isn't listed in your proposal.

I agree that somebody would probably be happy to take Green off our hands. Shedding Bass may take a late first or a couple of 2nds and Anthony would take the Philly picks.

It's honestly not a bad idea. I say we keep Rondo, KO, Sully and the #6 (Wallace for the #17 is very possible on its own - throw in LAC pick if we get desperate) and then go for two max guys. Obviously it would catapult us into contention, but getting guys like Lebron, Melo, Bosh, etc here would be the difficult part.

Yeah seriously.  Give up Rondo and #17 for just a second round pick.  The #7 must have been ommitted by mistake.

[KG_ended_Bias]

LA Lakers would take on Wallace for a year to get Rondo going forward for his career. And to do that I think we will have to throw in a 1st with it. LA wouldn't give us their #7 but at that point we wouldn't need it. Green I do think would be easy to shed Bass & Anthony not so much therefore we would have to give up a couple of valuable assets but it would be worth it to net 2 top 3 players in the NBA. And I think Melo would come here, not far from NYC & he gets to torch the Knicks 5 times a year. As far as Lebron, he understands history! Being a Celtic helps him catapult himself into greatest of ALL-TIME category without ever scoring a basket. Lakers also uggh but the titles history & mystique would be enormous! He saw how KG was treated like a GOD when he arrived & if he thought South Beach brought attention, the Boston media &the Banner #19,#20 chase would be like non other. I think the hardest part would be convincing his wife to live in Boston. I hear she hated Miami but its still a big difference from Boston. I think those 2 plus what we got is a Championship co-favorite even with Rondo gone because Lebron is basically a PG himself.

[manl_lui]

LA Lakers would take on Wallace for a year to get Rondo going forward for his career. And to do that I think we will have to throw in a 1st with it. LA wouldn't give us their #7 but at that point we wouldn't need it. Green I do think would be easy to shed Bass & Anthony not so much therefore we would have to give up a couple of valuable assets bit it would be worth it to net 2 top 3 players in the NBA. And I think Memo would come here, not far from NYC & he gets to torch the Nets 5 times a year. As far as Lebron, he understands history! Being a Celtic helps him catapult himself into greatest of ALL-TIME category without ever scoring a basket. Lakers also uggh but the titles history & mystique would be enormous! He saw how KG was treated like a GOD when he arrived & if he thought South Beach brought attention, the Boston media &the Banner #19,#20 chase would be like non other. I think the hardest part would be convincing his wife to live in Boston. I hear she hated Miami but its still a big difference from Boston. I think those 2 plus what we got is a Championship co-favorite even with Rondo gone because Lebron is basically a PG himself.

we wouldn't make that trade just to shed Wallace. The Lakers will take that trade in a heart beat and laugh. Rondo himself is worth a first rounder and in no way worth just a 2nd rounder, even if we are trying to dump Wallace.

[jambr380]

LA Lakers would take on Wallace for a year to get Rondo going forward for his career. And to do that I think we will have to throw in a 1st with it. LA wouldn't give us their #7 but at that point we wouldn't need it. Green I do think would be easy to shed Bass & Anthony not so much therefore we would have to give up a couple of valuable assets but it would be worth it to net 2 top 3 players in the NBA. And I think Melo would come here, not far from NYC & he gets to torch the Knicks 5 times a year. As far as Lebron, he understands history! Being a Celtic helps him catapult himself into greatest of ALL-TIME category without ever scoring a basket. Lakers also uggh but the titles history & mystique would be enormous! He saw how KG was treated like a GOD when he arrived & if he thought South Beach brought attention, the Boston media &the Banner #19,#20 chase would be like non other. I think the hardest part would be convincing his wife to live in Boston. I hear she hated Miami but its still a big difference from Boston. I think those 2 plus what we got is a Championship co-favorite even with Rondo gone because Lebron is basically a PG himself.

So you must think that the Nets torched us in the KG/Pierce deal, right? We only received three firsts in the deal - and you have to believe that NJ thought that those firsts wouldn't be all that. If you assume that one first was for KG and another one was for PP (which seems to be the general consensus), that leaves one last first to cover Wallace's 3 years/30 mill.

Now that Wallace is down to two years, what makes you think that not only do we have to give up that same pick we received for him (the #17), but also give up our all-star and best player in the process?? I understand that there have been some pretty one sided deals including draft picks for salary (GS and Utah last year), but this makes absolutely no sense to me. I have to imagine LAL would be psyched to give up the #7 in this deal.

[Randy]

First off we aren't getting Lebron to come to Boston unless we have Melo signed along side Rondo and even then it's a very long shot, close to zero chance. We can't trade Rondo because Melo Isn't coming if we do and Lebron 100% for sure isn't coming if we don't have Melo.

[Quetzalcoatl]

We can renounce/not resign/let expire Humphries ($12 m), Bradley ($3 m), Bayless ($3 m), Gomes ($0.5 m), Chris Johnson ($0.9 m), Vitor ($3 m) and Bogans ($5 m), right?  I know that Hump for instance has a cap hold right now, but that will evaporate soon?

Basically, how much of that combined $27.4 + the new salary cap do we realistically have to sign someone and when is it all available?

[Fred Roberts]

Why give away Rondo + Wallace + #17 to free up cap space for a lame max guy like Melo when we could keep Rondo as that max (or near) guy?

Making room for 2 max guys seems unnecessary to me. Making room for 1 would be intriguing. Basically, you could add LeBron to any team and they become relevant. If LeBron joined the Celtics with Rondo and Green on the roster, possibly Avery, KO, Wallace and Sully then you have an interesting team. Danny would have to work trades to obtain that rim protection and nail the draft picks to entice that free agent, but dumping everything to make room for 2 max guys would leave us with little else.

I think if you have to free up some of Wallace's $, you just do the stretch. He's still a mediocre player, so I'd rather eat the salary, use him to keep other wings fresh and dump the more trade-able guys (Bass, Green, Bradley, etc).

Anyways, I think this scenario is really far fetched and not that ideal either. I DO think Bron Bron has a special respect for the Boston organization but he's either going to a team that'll be a powerhouse (HOU, LAC, CHI) or returning to Miami / Cleveland.

I would not hate on having :

Rondo, Bradley, Bron/Wallace, Green/Gordon, KO/Sully/Faverani/Oden. Green would be back to 3rd / 4th banana, Gordon would be the new defensive weapon, Bradley continues to improve, KO/Sully too and Stevens actually finds a way to coax something out of Oden.

[loco_91]

I am no capologist by any stretch. But we have enough picks, young BIGS & Rondo to sell off for space. So I'm asking Roy or whatever person good with the numbers could conceivably do something like this?

Rondo, Wallace & #17 to LA Lakers for a future 2nd.

Jeff Green, Bass, Olynyk & unconditional Nets pick & possibly the Clips #1 if need be to whomever with cap space?

We keep our #6 to draft Smart, Exam or Embiid & acquire Lebron & Mel After cutting Bogans!


PG: Smart or Exam
SG: Bradley
SF: Lebron
PF: Memo
C: Sullinger & Sign Greg Oden rim protection

Or

PG: Bradley or Cheap FA vet
SG: Lebron
SF: Melo
PF: Sully
C: Embiid or Vonleh or Gordon switch Sully back to Center

Still sign Greg Oden on the cheap. I know its far fetched but could this happen numbers wise?

Let's look at our cap situation right now. By not resigning Hump, AB, and Bayless, we go about $5m under the cap, but this is swallowed by our new rookies. Then we waive Bogans and Anthony putting us $9m under.

We should be able to shed Green's contract without giving away assets; he has value on both ends on the floor, and he's a flexible player who can play three positions, start, or come off the bench. I imagine we'd find a taker.

Bass is in a similar boat. He's a solid role player on a reasonable contract. He plays D and hits the mid-range jumper; I imagine that Miami would take him, for example.

Giving away Green and Bass for nothing, we free up another $15m for a total of $24m cap space.

Finally, we have to rid ourselves of Wallace. Unlike the other moves, this one will cost assets. I imagine Brooklyn '16 + the Orlando super-protected "1st rounder" would do it.

We'd be left with Rondo and a bunch of rookie contracts and D-leaguers, but then yes, we could sign two big FA's for close to $17m each. Unfortunately, we're still not going to get them. Here's the only way I can make it work, but it will be a tough sell.

On draft day we take Smart at #6, who is the only guy who can be a solid rotation player immediately. We trade up to take Nik Stauskas, another guy who can contribute. He isn't really ready to start, but we're going to have to hope for the best here.

Pre- FA lineup:
Rondo/Smart (waive Pressy to save $500k)
Stauskas/CJ/Babb (yeah... I know)
? / Pierce (he'll have to sign for the MLE)
Sully/KO
? / Faverani

Suppse LeBron has jumped ship for GSW to form the next superteam with Curry and Love. Then, we could possibly entice Melo and Bosh to Boston, filling the ?'s nicely. Let's just hope that our rookies develop quickly...

[loco_91]

by the way, another option to trade up using future picks for Exum, who will start at SG, and take Ennis at #17 as our backup PG. I actually like this idea better, as Exum is likely far better than Stauskas on this team, and Ennis will be a really nice fit offensively.