Draft day deal for Love the best option for T-Wolves?

[GreenWarrior]

I've been thinking for a while now that Minn.'s best option would be for a draft day deal as that's likely when they'll get the best package. but then I thought is it really?

is it possible that Minn.(if Love would agree) could pull off a sign and trade at the deadline and get a much better offer? I tend to not get involved in the money aspect and logistics of sports so i'm asking someone who might know more on this end of it.

[colincb]

The general rule is the further on you go down the road, the less you'll get.  Why trade for him at the deadline if you can get him without giving away assets 4+ months later. If you're already elite and contending, it's pretty late to incorporate a new piece into your team while giving away valuable pieces that got you there.

Buyers tend to set the market in the NBA and that's the general mindset.

[Jon]

I'm starting to wonder whether the C's could pull off a Lov deal without giving up #6, much like the KG deal. If Embiid slips, could Ainge hold onto him, and build a deal around Sully, maybe the #17 pick, and both Brooklyn picks? That's a lot to give up given how far Brooklyn may fall. But if Embiid slips to #6 and gets healthy (huge ifs I know), a Big Three of Rondo, Love, and Embiid might be enough to win a title in a couple years.

[saltlover]

The general rule is the further on you go down the road, the less you'll get.  Why trade for him at the deadline if you can get him without giving away assets 4+ months later. If you're already elite and contending, it's pretty late to incorporate a new piece into your team while giving away valuable pieces that got you there.

Buyers tend to set the market in the NBA and that's the general mindset.

I generally agree, although I'd bet the value doesn't start declining until late summer, and could even peak in July.  Demand sets price. in the NBA.  Right now teams are interested in Love, but they're also interested in Melo, LeBron, Bosh, to a lesser extent Deng, and I'm sure someone will kick the tires on Dirk.  At some point, only Love might be left on the market, and then teams who are still desperate to make a move for a star will only have one seller.  Right now Minnesota is seen, correctly, as the desperate seller, and since buyers have other options, the buyers aren't desperate.  At some point, there may be a desperate buyer as well, and that will give Minnesota more leverage than they currently have.

[saltlover]

I'm starting to wonder whether the C's could pull off a Lov deal without giving up #6, much like the KG deal. If Embiid slips, could Ainge hold onto him, and build a deal around Sully, maybe the #17 pick, and both Brooklyn picks? That's a lot to give up given how far Brooklyn may fall. But if Embiid slips to #6 and gets healthy (huge ifs I know), a Big Three of Rondo, Love, and Embiid might be enough to win a title in a couple years.

Anything's possible!

[pearljammer10]

I'm starting to wonder whether the C's could pull off a Lov deal without giving up #6, much like the KG deal. If Embiid slips, could Ainge hold onto him, and build a deal around Sully, maybe the #17 pick, and both Brooklyn picks? That's a lot to give up given how far Brooklyn may fall. But if Embiid slips to #6 and gets healthy (huge ifs I know), a Big Three of Rondo, Love, and Embiid might be enough to win a title in a couple years.

It's a nice thought but I don't know if the Wolves go for it. Unless every GM is holding out and the Wolves are left to go with the best offer.

Could the Celts get away with either:

1) Sully,#17, 2 future firsts, Wallace plus clippers first, Bogans, and our unguaranteeds for Love and taking on Martin?

Or

2) Sully, Green, #17, 2 future firsts for Love

I'd honestly think about taking the first deal. We keep #6 but give up 17 and 3 future late firsts. Use the TPE for Asik and Lin.

Rondo/Lin
Martin
Green
Love/Bass
Asik/Embiid

[saltlover]

I'm starting to wonder whether the C's could pull off a Lov deal without giving up #6, much like the KG deal. If Embiid slips, could Ainge hold onto him, and build a deal around Sully, maybe the #17 pick, and both Brooklyn picks? That's a lot to give up given how far Brooklyn may fall. But if Embiid slips to #6 and gets healthy (huge ifs I know), a Big Three of Rondo, Love, and Embiid might be enough to win a title in a couple years.

It's a nice thought but I don't know if the Wolves go for it. Unless every GM is holding out and the Wolves are left to go with the best offer.

Could the Celts get away with either:

1) Sully,#17, 2 future firsts, Wallace plus clippers first, Bogans, and our unguaranteeds for Love and taking on Martin?

Or

2) Sully, Green, #17, 2 future firsts for Love

I'd honestly think about taking the first deal. We keep #6 but give up 17 and 3 future late firsts. Use the TPE for Asik and Lin.

Rondo/Lin
Martin
Green
Love/Bass
Asik/Embiid

To clarify, we cannot use the TPE for both Asik and Lin.  To acquire both, we'd need to send them the unguaranteed contracts for one, and the TPE for the other.  This means that the unguaranteed contracts can't go to Minnesota as salary relief.

That said, I do note your roster has no Bradley on it.

[cman88]

Danny has yet to make a serious play for Love. last we heard was they last talked thursday and Danny threw out a lowball offer of Olynyk, #6, #17 and next years first from the celtics. and it has been silent since.

there doesnt seem to have been any discussion of the brooklyn picks, sullinger, bradley, bass, bogans, clippers pick etc.

[GreenWarrior]

The general rule is the further on you go down the road, the less you'll get.  Why trade for him at the deadline if you can get him without giving away assets 4+ months later. If you're already elite and contending, it's pretty late to incorporate a new piece into your team while giving away valuable pieces that got you there.

Buyers tend to set the market in the NBA and that's the general mindset.

normally I would agree with all of that. but I was wondering if Love agreeing to a sign and trade(something he has said he won't do now) would increase what Minn. could get in return at the trade deadline. and maybe they are playing this right by not accepting a deal now, near the draft.

I think it's a complete gamble on their part but it could potentially be a smart move. Love may agree to a sign and trade at that point.

[LooseCannon]

normally I would agree with all of that. but I was wondering if Love agreeing to a sign and trade(something he has said he won't do now) would increase what Minn. could get in return at the trade deadline. and maybe they are playing this right by not accepting a deal now, near the draft.

I don't think you understand how sign-and-trades work.

[JJ2525]

One thing I was wondering about a potential Love deal is if Silver announces "The Boston Celtics select" at 6 and 17, with no trade during draft night, is it safe to assume that those selections would not be part of a Kevin Love trade?

[LooseCannon]

One thing I was wondering about a potential Love deal is if Silver announces "The Boston Celtics select" at 6 and 17, with no trade during draft night, is it safe to assume that those selections would not be part of a Kevin Love trade?

It would not be safe to assume that.  If there is a draft day trade, it might not be announced until after the Celtics picks are made.

[JJ2525]

Thanks.  Let me rephrase.  If we get through the entire night without a trade, those draft picks wouldn't be part of a deal, yes?

[LooseCannon]

Thanks.  Let me rephrase.  If we get through the entire night without a trade, those draft picks wouldn't be part of a deal, yes?

It is very possible that a trade will be agreed to but won't be made official until after the July moratorium, so the picks will be announced as being made by the Celtics, but the players selected will be chosen by Minnesota.  It is unlikely that such a deal will be made without rumors that it is a done deal, but you're probably going to hear those picks announced as Celtics picks, deal or no deal.