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Re: Dario Saric signs 3-year deal per Chad Ford
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 11:02:41 AM »

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so to recap, we could trade Rondo, pick Embiid and Saric, and have none of them for the start of next year

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And the problem with that is what again?  2015 is loaded with center prospects and Boston isn't going to be very good without major additions from trades anyway.  If the price isn't right on the trades, Boston is going to be bad so might as well just go all in the badness.
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Myles Turner would be a nice addition.
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if the mock holds enough for us to get embiid, I don't see us taking Saric at #17.  I'd almost bank on either Phx or Phi using one of their many picks to take Saric and bring him over in 2 years when they're both better than they are currently.

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so to recap, we could trade Rondo, pick Embiid and Saric, and have none of them for the start of next year

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Yeah but if Fords Mock holds and the Cs could be getting Smart and Mclemore for Rondo that's not a bad haul. This would throw Smart right into the fire leading this team. Likely placing the Cs in the lottery again but that's a major build up of talent.

We HAVE to hold out for their pick and Thomas, period!!!!

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"Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 9m

Breaking: Dario Saric has agreed in principle to a three year deal with Anadolu Efes a source close to Saric told http://ESPN.com ."

I actually think this could be great news for the Cs. Move up a few picks from #17 (if necessary) and draft him then let him develop over seas. If Embiid falls to #6 and the Cs get him they would have gotten great potential value in this draft just not the fast returns that less stable franchises need.

Maybe I'm biased against overseas players. I am actually glad that this guy is signed. I think players like this are such a risk and a waste of a high draft pick. When the pan out and agree to come over fine, but to draft, wait 1 year, then another, then another, .....on and on....kinda sucks for the drafting team AND their fans.
I kinda feel like if an overseas player is going to declare for the draft they should be ready to come over immediately - none of this stash and develop....to me that's a load of crap!

Nicola Mirotic is cited as one of the Bulls' best trade assets in trade proposals for Afflalo, Love etc...and he was picked in 2011.

I understand that the current system might not be ideal, but I disagree that drafting someone like Saric at #17 would be a "waste." As soon as next year his rights could be a valuable asset in a trade for a star.

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Adams to GS ....guess that means Love is headed there too.

Might as well draft all the young guys possible.....

Another huge tank year coming up

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Or we could avoid this Saric nonsense and snag TJ Warren one way or another.

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Or we could avoid this Saric nonsense and snag TJ Warren one way or another.

I would also support this.
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so in other words, there's a good possibility that he may stay in Europe. So we could just pawn his rights off to another team. I just don't see the sense in it all.
"Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 9m

Breaking: Dario Saric has agreed in principle to a three year deal with Anadolu Efes a source close to Saric told http://ESPN.com ."

I actually think this could be great news for the Cs. Move up a few picks from #17 (if necessary) and draft him then let him develop over seas. If Embiid falls to #6 and the Cs get him they would have gotten great potential value in this draft just not the fast returns that less stable franchises need.

Maybe I'm biased against overseas players. I am actually glad that this guy is signed. I think players like this are such a risk and a waste of a high draft pick. When the pan out and agree to come over fine, but to draft, wait 1 year, then another, then another, .....on and on....kinda sucks for the drafting team AND their fans.
I kinda feel like if an overseas player is going to declare for the draft they should be ready to come over immediately - none of this stash and develop....to me that's a load of crap!

Nicola Mirotic is cited as one of the Bulls' best trade assets in trade proposals for Afflalo, Love etc...and he was picked in 2011.

I understand that the current system might not be ideal, but I disagree that drafting someone like Saric at #17 would be a "waste." As soon as next year his rights could be a valuable asset in a trade for a star.

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Why would you need to use the #17 on him if he won't be in the NBA for 2 more years?  Why not just buy another pick in the 20s?

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Why would you need to use the #17 on him if he won't be in the NBA for 2 more years?  Why not just buy another pick in the 20s?

Mike

Because he's clearly top 10 talent in this draft, maybe top 5 even. So if you get him with #17, you strike gold, although I doubt he's still available when the Cs pick. I've hoped for this situation since Saric's stock started to rise to the #10-#13 range, so it would be great. I'd rather see him playing for a quality Euro team like Real Madrid or Obradovic's team (Efes' neighbour Fenerbahce), instead of the Euroleague version of the Brooklyn Nets, but I'm fine with it if the Cs can get him with #17. He'll improve more in Europe unless the Cs are willing to play him 25 min per game right off the bat. Hopefully the contract includes a cheap buyout clause after every season.

Embiid + Saric? Dream case scenario.

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so in other words, there's a good possibility that he may stay in Europe. So we could just pawn his rights off to another team. I just don't see the sense in it all.
"Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 9m

Breaking: Dario Saric has agreed in principle to a three year deal with Anadolu Efes a source close to Saric told http://ESPN.com ."

I actually think this could be great news for the Cs. Move up a few picks from #17 (if necessary) and draft him then let him develop over seas. If Embiid falls to #6 and the Cs get him they would have gotten great potential value in this draft just not the fast returns that less stable franchises need.

Maybe I'm biased against overseas players. I am actually glad that this guy is signed. I think players like this are such a risk and a waste of a high draft pick. When the pan out and agree to come over fine, but to draft, wait 1 year, then another, then another, .....on and on....kinda sucks for the drafting team AND their fans.
I kinda feel like if an overseas player is going to declare for the draft they should be ready to come over immediately - none of this stash and develop....to me that's a load of crap!

Nicola Mirotic is cited as one of the Bulls' best trade assets in trade proposals for Afflalo, Love etc...and he was picked in 2011.

I understand that the current system might not be ideal, but I disagree that drafting someone like Saric at #17 would be a "waste." As soon as next year his rights could be a valuable asset in a trade for a star.

There are multiple advantages:

1) If he stays in Europe for two more years, when he comes over he will be a better player, but still eligible for a 4-year rookie deal.  This means he will probably provide more value to the team relative to his salary than other rookies, including alternatives at pick #17.  Consider it like trading pick #17 in 2014 for a better pick in 2016 (because he'll have improved), but who only costs the salary of pick #17.

2) If he doesn't progress as quickly as the Celtics would hope, he doesn't lose value as quickly.  Consider Fab Melo -- since his contract was guaranteed, when he didn't pan out, it cost the Celtics to get rid of him.  This happens with some regularity for draft picks.  However, if Saric doesn't make enough progress, other teams will probably be willing to still take him on for a smaller return (2nd round pick), because it's low-risk for them, since there's no guaranteed contract.  If he completely tanks, it still costs the Celtics nothing to get rid of him, because he's not guaranteed.  His downside becomes a zero asset, and not a negative asset.

Because of reasons 1 and 2, he will be a useful, and probably valuable trade asset in the future.  He won't have a contract value, which makes him easy to include, and he'll be like a future draft choice.  That value may rise in the future if he excels like Mrotic, or it may fall if he doesn't, but he'll have value for several years that will always be positive when included in a trade.  I would be very willing to bet that at least one American player drafted between 15 and 25 will not be seen as having positive trade value by this time next year.

The downside is that he has a higher chance than average of being a zero value player, since he could decide to never come over, and at a minimum, it's a delayed payoff.  But if it's this downside that pushes him from the top 10 to #17, it's well worth the risk.

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So does this mean that he's no longer available in this year's draft?

Or will he still be drafted even though he's signed a contract with a European team?

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So does this mean that he's no longer available in this year's draft?

Or will he still be drafted even though he's signed a contract with a European team?

The deadline to withdraw from the draft was June 16 so he's in no matter what.