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Wuddabout Rondo to Philly?
« on: June 21, 2014, 05:37:05 PM »

Offline NorthernLightning

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There's rumors about Philly trading ROY MCW, and drafting Exum at 3 to replace him at PG.

I wonder if they wouldn't rather have Rondo.

One rumor being mentioned is PHI trading MCW and Thaddeus Young to LAL for #7 and Nash.

One reason Rondo to PHI might be good for Boston is because we own PHI's 2015 first rounder, top 14 protected. If PHI made the playoffs we'd have a third first round pick next year.

With the 3rd pick the Celtics could get Embiid, in the likely event he doesn't fall to 6.

Just an example trade idea, but perhaps:

Rondo + #6 and #17 for MCW, #3, and #10.

At #6 PHI could get one of Vonleh or Randle to pair with Noel in the frontcourt.

At #10 the Celtics could get a very good player, perhaps Gordon or Randle even, or McDermott, Saric, or Stauskas.

At #17, PHI could get another starter caliber player.

PHI would have:
Rondo
James Young/Rodney Hood@17
Thaddeus Young
Vonleh/Randle
Noel

Boston:
MCW
Bradley
Green or Gordon/Saric/McDermott
Sully/KO
Embiid/KO

Re: Wuddabout Rondo to Philly?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2014, 05:44:19 PM »

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No because Philly badly wants Wiggins and sees Exum as a consolation prize.  They won't give up the excitement of a high pick and a young guy with potential.  Also keeping the #3 keeps the door open for trading for Wiggins.

If Wiggins went 1 and Exum 2 however, I wonder if they'd deal Parker to us for something.


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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2014, 05:52:21 PM »

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Wiggins and Parker are probably going 1 and 2, even if somebody like Utah trades up to get Parker.

One thing about a Rondo James Young Randle Noel lineup is that they're all from UKentucky.

Philly's new coach from the Spurs runs an uptempo system that would seem to suit Rondo well, and surrounding him with scorers would make him more likely to re-sign there.

Sure, there's glamor in keeping that top 3 pick, but Rondo has way more glamor than some kid from Australia that nobody has seen.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 05:54:38 PM »

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I'll just say that if Embiid gets drafted 3rd by PHI, we can still keep our hopes up a bit, especially if Vonleh falls to 6, because PHI really likes Vonleh and he would fit perfectly next to Noel.

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2014, 06:14:03 PM »

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I'll just say that if Embiid gets drafted 3rd by PHI, we can still keep our hopes up a bit, especially if Vonleh falls to 6, because PHI really likes Vonleh and he would fit perfectly next to Noel.


I'm hoping MIL takes Exum. Leaves Wiggins as a no-brainer for Philly at 3 and likely has Orlando taking Smart.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2014, 06:26:36 PM »

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I'll just say that if Embiid gets drafted 3rd by PHI, we can still keep our hopes up a bit, especially if Vonleh falls to 6, because PHI really likes Vonleh and he would fit perfectly next to Noel.

Funny if Philly keeps drafting Massachusetts kids.  Must be tough playing for the 76'rs.  :P

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2014, 06:47:27 PM »

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I am to nervous about Embiid. Sure he is a great player but he just had his second stress fracture one in his back the other in his foot. He fractured his back in march. He honestly has just recently got into basketball, he is normally a volleyball player.  If his body can barley handle workouts how can he handle the strain of an nab season. I would draft him with like the 17th pick but he won't fall that far.   ou can come back from so many injuries but with his basketball career really just starting and this many problems... I hope he proves me wrong.
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Re: Wuddabout Rondo to Philly?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2014, 07:36:01 PM »

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The opportunity to draft a center prospect like Embiid comes once every 15-30 years.

Even Oden was a lesser prospect, and was much less smooth in his motions than Embiid. If Oden had real skills, he could still be putting up points even in limited minutes. But he can't, because Oden was mostly just a specimen, and never really had a great work ethic as well.

Embiid is right up there with KG and Duncan and Hakeem as far as potential. I'd put Embiid above Anthony Davis as a talent without much hesitation.

Even if there's only a 50% chance of Embiid reaching his potential, that is a risk most definitely worth taking, and would make just about any team a perennial contender.

Even if Embiid is nagged by injuries his whole career, he can still be as good as old KG was for us from 2009-2013.

And we traded half our team for KG in 2007.

This is our big chance to give ourselves a real chance for the next 10-15 years. This is a guy who has grown significantly even from the college season until now.

Embiid is already up to 255-260. Hakeem never had this kind of strength, or height for that matter. So even if Embiid never perfects a 15 foot turnaround fadeaway from the baseline, he's still going to be able to score tons of buckets with simpler shots. And he probably is going to perfect that 15 foot baseline turnaround fadeaway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7PX7hYUFQ


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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2014, 08:02:35 PM »

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You want us to trade Rondo so we can move up and pick Embiid??

Terrible, terrible idea. That guarantees misery for the next 5 years at best.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2014, 08:07:39 PM »

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You want us to trade Rondo so we can move up and pick Embiid??

Terrible, terrible idea. That guarantees misery for the next 5 years at best.

Remember that you said this, for future reference.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2014, 08:08:18 PM »

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You want us to trade Rondo so we can move up and pick Embiid??

Terrible, terrible idea. That guarantees misery for the next 5 years at best.

Remember that you said this, for future reference.

You should also remember everything you've said about Embiid and Gordon. Just for future reference.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2014, 09:03:21 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2014, 09:17:53 PM »

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You want us to trade Rondo so we can move up and pick Embiid??

Terrible, terrible idea. That guarantees misery for the next 5 years at best.

Remember that you said this, for future reference.

You should also remember everything you've said about Embiid and Gordon. Just for future reference.

 The potential of Embiid and Gordon are completely different worlds.  Gordon could be better than Marion.  Embiid could be the best big since Timmy.

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2014, 09:21:05 PM »

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Embiid could be the best big since Timmy.

I think that honor will belong to Anthony Davis and Embiid's freshman year was not quite as good as Davis's either.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2014, 10:00:45 PM »

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The opportunity to draft a center prospect like Embiid comes once every 15-30 years.

Even Oden was a lesser prospect, and was much less smooth in his motions than Embiid. If Oden had real skills, he could still be putting up points even in limited minutes. But he can't, because Oden was mostly just a specimen, and never really had a great work ethic as well.

Embiid is right up there with KG and Duncan and Hakeem as far as potential. I'd put Embiid above Anthony Davis as a talent without much hesitation.

Even if there's only a 50% chance of Embiid reaching his potential, that is a risk most definitely worth taking, and would make just about any team a perennial contender.

Even if Embiid is nagged by injuries his whole career, he can still be as good as old KG was for us from 2009-2013.

And we traded half our team for KG in 2007.

This is our big chance to give ourselves a real chance for the next 10-15 years. This is a guy who has grown significantly even from the college season until now.

Embiid is already up to 255-260. Hakeem never had this kind of strength, or height for that matter. So even if Embiid never perfects a 15 foot turnaround fadeaway from the baseline, he's still going to be able to score tons of buckets with simpler shots. And he probably is going to perfect that 15 foot baseline turnaround fadeaway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7PX7hYUFQ

I'm not so sure about that.  Sure, Embiid is quicker and more fluid, but Oden also played much of his college career with his left hand because of an injury.  He can use both hands on the block and has an up-and-under move, so it's not like he's hopeless offensively.  Quite the opposite.  I really hope we can get him, regardless of whether or not we somehow land Embiid.  Put Oden on the 5-5-5 plan, and great things might happen.  You never know.

I do agree that Embiid is already far superior to Anthony Davis, and has the potential to be a KG-Duncan-Hakeem type.  Davis actually surprised me because it never looked like he had much of an offensive game in college.  Plus, I also think that his unibrow scares off as many players from taking it to the basket as his shot blocking ability does ;D

If Embiid can play, he is your cornerstone for the next 15 years.  It's also much easier to build around big guys, imo, as opposed to point guards, simply because of the span of their respective primes.  By 32-33, a point guard starts to lose the quickness needed to guard his opposition, but a big guy can adjust and make up for that because of his intelligence and skill, provided that he has both of those traits.  Look at Duncan.  Look at Parish.  Even Kareem was still impacting games on both ends at 42 :o when he should have been a major liability because his severe loss of quickness.  Again, that's just me, and I would never trade Rondo (I love the guy too much and he's the most unique player in the game.  He makes players better and is unguardable.  It was interesting that Lebron could shut down Tony Parker in, really, consecutive finals, but he has no clue how to stop Rondo.  Neither does Wade, Chalmers, Cole, Mike Brown, or Eric Spoelstra.), but building around big men has a much larger window for success, imho.