The Wolves are doing the Celtics a favor

[Hawkeye199]

 Picks are potentially great stars or duds. It works both ways. Ainge is trying to minimize the risk of constantly sucking

[cb8883]

By telling Ainge that the Nuggets Bulls and Warriors all have better offers. There is no way the Celtics should give up multiple years of control of a potential franchise player for Kevin Love's overrated game. The only way to build a title team is to have a superstar. Danny needs to stop looking for short cuts and do what's right. Blow it up! Trade Bass Rondo Green and sign and trade Bradley for picks. Wallace's contract doesn't matter because it's going to be an expiring next year. Getting rid of Sully and Olynyk would be terrible for the teams future. Tank even harder next year and if they want to sign a free agent or two go ahead but superstars will never ever come to Boston unless forced to by trade or drafted. We are a turnstile destination and not nearly as prestigious as the Miami and LA's of the world.

+1.

Wolves should take the nuggets offer. You are not going to get back equivalent value back for love

Just want to make sure I am reading this right??  Are you saying Sully is a potential franchise player?

No I'm saying the 6th pick and one or two of the Brooklyn future picks could give us the franchise player we need. Honestly, you could build a phenomenal team that is young and can contend for years. Sullinger isn't a franchise player but is a building block same with KO.

[Tr1boy]

FYI the grass is not always greener on the other side, counting on draft picks and ping pong balls will keep you in the basement for a LONG time.

Love is a great player, no idea what the "say not to Love" crowd on here is thinking. It's worse than the Gordon is going to be a superstar people.

Why a long time? Not every team screws up the draft/rebuilding process like the bucks, wolves, bobcats

or the Celtics...1990s - 2000's?

you do realise as well, once you land that 1 star, if you dont build a contending team within 5 years they are out the door....ala Chris paul, dwight howard, carmelo anthony etc...

So build it properly then. Why r u scared?

Yes the 1990 to 2000 celts teams were bad but it was mainly bc of bad luck. Lewis passing away, no duncan , bringing in the horrible ML carr to coach the team

[D.o.s.]

FYI the grass is not always greener on the other side, counting on draft picks and ping pong balls will keep you in the basement for a LONG time.

Love is a great player, no idea what the "say not to Love" crowd on here is thinking. It's worse than the Gordon is going to be a superstar people.

Why a long time? Not every team screws up the draft/rebuilding process like the bucks, wolves, bobcats

or the Celtics...1990s - 2000's?

you do realise as well, once you land that 1 star, if you dont build a contending team within 5 years they are out the door....ala Chris paul, dwight howard, carmelo anthony etc...

So build it properly then. Why r u scared?

Yes the 1990 to 2000 celts teams were bad but it was mainly bc of bad luck. Lewis passing away, no duncan , bringing in the horrible ML carr to coach the team

ML Carr was brought in to lose games to get Duncan.

The post-Bird Celtics were bad because our ownership and our front office sucked.

[chambers]

By telling Ainge that the Nuggets Bulls and Warriors all have better offers. There is no way the Celtics should give up multiple years of control of a potential franchise player for Kevin Love's overrated game. The only way to build a title team is to have a superstar. Danny needs to stop looking for short cuts and do what's right. Blow it up! Trade Bass Rondo Green and sign and trade Bradley for picks. Wallace's contract doesn't matter because it's going to be an expiring next year. Getting rid of Sully and Olynyk would be terrible for the teams future. Tank even harder next year and if they want to sign a free agent or two go ahead but superstars will never ever come to Boston unless forced to by trade or drafted. We are a turnstile destination and not nearly as prestigious as the Miami and LA's of the world.

+1.

Wolves should take the nuggets offer. You are not going to get back equivalent value back for love

I also should have added in my last reply to your post here that if you think the Nuggets is great, why don't we cut out do something similar and do

6th pick
Olynyk (as Faried)
Jeff Green(as Gallo)
Afflalo (we send future pick to Orlando and Orlando sends Afflalo to Minnesota)
Less salary, and more growth potential. You get role players but you also get young prospects.

[chambers]

FYI the grass is not always greener on the other side, counting on draft picks and ping pong balls will keep you in the basement for a LONG time.

Love is a great player, no idea what the "say not to Love" crowd on here is thinking. It's worse than the Gordon is going to be a superstar people.

Why a long time? Not every team screws up the draft/rebuilding process like the bucks, wolves, bobcats

or the Celtics...1990s - 2000's?

you do realise as well, once you land that 1 star, if you dont build a contending team within 5 years they are out the door....ala Chris paul, dwight howard, carmelo anthony etc...

So build it properly then. Why r u scared?

Yes the 1990 to 2000 celts teams were bad but it was mainly bc of bad luck. Lewis passing away, no duncan , bringing in the horrible ML carr to coach the team

You need luck to build it properly though the draft. It's gambling.
Kevin Love is a top 10 player. What are the odds that any of our draft picks in the next 5 years would become a top 10 player? What are the odds that we draft anyone as good as even Rondo in the next 5 years?

The top 3 in this draft may have one or two top 10 players in the NBA one day if we are lucky.
Top 10 players are so hard to get AND keep that they are incredibly hard to get.
If you can get one via a trade whilst keeping assets to get even stronger, you must try and get that top 10 player.

[cb8883]

One thing I have learned is the rebuild supporters have some of the most pathetic arguments.

Unless you want to be like the Kings, Bobcats, Wolves, Cavs etc who go to the lottery every year and yet still continue to suck, I don't know why you wouldn't want a star that WANTS to come here. Also, their management is as bad as our lottery luck, so the "bad management" argument doesn't work.

His agent is based in the area. Does not mean he wants to come here. Love would probably be happy at first just getting out of Minnesota. But what makes you think he doesn't want to end up in LA as a free agent? Family is out there he grew up out there etc...if you're going to give max money and a boat load of picks on top of that to a player who cannot play defense. That's insane! He is not a top 5 player in the NBA and quite frankly the Celtics with him and Rondo will not make it out of the East. Love is a star but Rondo is far from one. He is a glorified role player. So you still would need to get a ton of assets around Love that are high level players. There is no way for that to occur without developing your own roster. OKC has done this correctly the only thing holding them back is Scott Brooks. San Antonio won 5 titles with virtually all home grown players as well...short cuts are rarely rewarded.

[boscel33]

So, people want to give up potentially five first round picks (if you include sully) for love.  love is six years into his career and averaged 26.1/12.5 pg last year.  Sully is two years into his career and averaged 13.3/8.1 pg last year.  love played 36.3 minuted pg and sully played 27.6.  I think sully can become that 20/10 player that love is.  my position stands, sully and two firsts (6th and a future) for love, otherwise i build the team around the potential that i feel sully has.

[Sketch5]

FYI the grass is not always greener on the other side, counting on draft picks and ping pong balls will keep you in the basement for a LONG time.

Love is a great player, no idea what the "say not to Love" crowd on here is thinking. It's worse than the Gordon is going to be a superstar people.

Why a long time? Not every team screws up the draft/rebuilding process like the bucks, wolves, bobcats

or the Celtics...1990s - 2000's?

you do realise as well, once you land that 1 star, if you dont build a contending team within 5 years they are out the door....ala Chris paul, dwight howard, carmelo anthony etc...

So build it properly then. Why r u scared?

Yes the 1990 to 2000 celts teams were bad but it was mainly bc of bad luck. Lewis passing away, no duncan , bringing in the horrible ML carr to coach the team

So you're okay with chancing bad luck? Who say's Sully, KO or the 6th pick will bring us out of the  lotto? Yeah maybe Kevin Love doesn't, but you know what you're getting with him.

OKC is probably the best example of drafting and getting good, but they also took 5 years before they were even able to be legit competition in the West.

Watching Sully play concerns me the way he has to one hand rebounds. Thats not good, thats bad form. And I don't see conditioning and loosing weight getting his leaping ability to were he can grab it with two hands.  Plus his scoring is weak on the inside. Big Baby had better inside ability than he does.

Love can shoot the 3, has decent post moves, can drive and cut to the hoop,rebound with the best of them, and is a heck of an outlet passer which makes Rondo Better. Can Love win it all for us? No, but he's a great piece to the puzzle.

And if you think Denver's offer is good, your crazy and I'm glad you're not our GM.

[manl_lui]

By telling Ainge that the Nuggets Bulls and Warriors all have better offers. There is no way the Celtics should give up multiple years of control of a potential franchise player for Kevin Love's overrated game. The only way to build a title team is to have a superstar. Danny needs to stop looking for short cuts and do what's right. Blow it up! Trade Bass Rondo Green and sign and trade Bradley for picks. Wallace's contract doesn't matter because it's going to be an expiring next year. Getting rid of Sully and Olynyk would be terrible for the teams future.

You do realise that danny looked for a shortcut when he traded for KG/ray allen. If he followed your model he wouldve traded pierce for picks and blown up the roster back in 2006.

there are several ways to build a contender. If someone who averages 26ppg and 12rpg isnt a star, what is? and how long do you want to be horrible for to grab one of those?

because we all know it has worked out so well in the DUncan draft, the durant draft, and now the wiggins/parker draft 

I also agree with this, and I also think Danny is good at poker. I believe Wolves are just bluffing when they say other teams are in the mix and the Celtics are not in the top 3. This is to make Danny throw in my assets. I trust Danny in being patient and making the right move. Not to say he won't make mistakes but I would not call their bluff and sit tight. This is the offer we're giving you, take it or leave it

[Jon]

The OP has somewhat of a point--the best way to build an NBA dynasty is to land a top 5 NBA player and add to that.  As has been noted many times, the majority of NBA championships can be attributed to a dozen or so NBA players.  And while opinions vary on Love, I think we can all agree that Love is not a top 5 NBA player on the same level as LeBron/Durant, etc. 

However, what the OP is overlooking is how incredibly hard it is to land one of these players.  He seems to think that simply by tanking and building picks that such a player is going to fall into our lap.  But we've seen firsthand how that doesn't often work out with not only what happened this year, but also what happened in 1997 and 2007.   Moreover, think of all the teams that have cleared enormous amounts of cap space to try to land the LeBrons and Duncans of the world when they've been free agents, only to be spurned by these stars. 

Unfortunately, unrealized potential allows one's imagination to run wild and draft picks are the ultimate manifestation of unrealized potential.  We can fantasize about how the next LeBron (or even the next Rondo) is going to fall into our laps.  However, we too often forget that more top picks in the draft turn out to be Kwame Browns rather than LeBron Jameses and that most teens to twenties picks turn out to be Kedrick Browns rather than Rajon Rondos. 

Danny proved in 2007 that by assembling a triumvirate of very good (but likely not top 5 talents), that you can win a title.  Had a few things broken our way (for instance, KG, Perk, Shaq, and Rondo all not facing their injuries) we could have potentially won multiple titles.  So while it'd certainly be better to get LeBron than to get Kevin Love, I don't think we can dismiss his acquisition because he's not a top 5 player.

Rather, I'd look at it like this: pairing Rondo and Love together puts us one star away from being a contender.  Will it still take some good fortune to find that other star?  Absolutely, but every NBA champion has had a little (or a lot) of luck (just ask the Spurs, who had Tim Duncan fall in their laps because of an injury to David Robinson).   But maybe a trade presents itself next year or the year after.  Maybe Danny can find another Rondo-like talent later in the draft.  Maybe Jeff Green finally gets his head on straight and becomes the third star we need. 

All of these scenarios are much more likely than us entirely blowing it up and then hoping through the draft and free agency that we can somehow come up with three stars or more through that process. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Wolfs don't want to send Love another western team if possible ...that only makes getting into the plays harder than ever ...helping your enemy.

Also ...you KNOW  Mr  Silver wants more stars in the east to even out the league that's now lopsided as heck besides LeBron and Melo.

And LA is licking their chops wanting to steal more Star talent ....from Cleveland and Detroit just as quick as they can.  In other words the Western teams are waiting like vultures to pick the east clean of talent ......including LeBron.

The a East needs more Star Power ...... Love to the east somewhere makes the NBA folks in charge , very happy.

[cb8883]

So, people want to give up potentially five first round picks (if you include sully) for love.  love is six years into his career and averaged 26.1/12.5 pg last year.  Sully is two years into his career and averaged 13.3/8.1 pg last year.  love played 36.3 minuted pg and sully played 27.6.  I think sully can become that 20/10 player that love is.  my position stands, sully and two firsts (6th and a future) for love, otherwise i build the team around the potential that i feel sully has.

Exactly my point. I know that's it difficult to get a top 5 player. However you already know Kevin Love isn't one and will never be one. Why give up your war chest of picks for being just good enough to make the 2nd round? We can either rebuild now, the right way. Or rebuild 5 years from now after being a treadmill team. It's Ainge's choices and he likely won't be here to see through the rebuild after Love/Rondo blows up in his face if it happens.

[wdleehi]

So, people want to give up potentially five first round picks (if you include sully) for love.  love is six years into his career and averaged 26.1/12.5 pg last year.  Sully is two years into his career and averaged 13.3/8.1 pg last year.  love played 36.3 minuted pg and sully played 27.6.  I think sully can become that 20/10 player that love is.  my position stands, sully and two firsts (6th and a future) for love, otherwise i build the team around the potential that i feel sully has.

Exactly my point. I know that's it difficult to get a top 5 player. However you already know Kevin Love isn't one and will never be one. Why give up your war chest of picks for being just good enough to make the 2nd round? We can either rebuild now, the right way. Or rebuild 5 years from now after being a treadmill team. It's Ainge's choices and he likely won't be here to see through the rebuild after Love/Rondo blows up in his face if it happens.

1)  Sully isn't that player yet.  There is just a good of chance his back issue come back because of his weight or the physical play of the NBA.

2)  Love may not be a top 5 player, but he is a top 10 player.  What is the chance that any of the possible pieces being sent out will be in the top 10 players?  Top 25? 

3)  It makes the Celtics attractive to other top 25 players.  Top 10 players.  Even top 5 players. 




Love isn't the end game for the Celtics.  It is the first step of multiple steps.

[Clench123]

One thing I have learned is the rebuild supporters have some of the most pathetic arguments.

Unless you want to be like the Kings, Bobcats, Wolves, Cavs etc who go to the lottery every year and yet still continue to suck, I don't know why you wouldn't want a star that WANTS to come here. Also, their management is as bad as our lottery luck, so the "bad management" argument doesn't work.

Thank you.  TP.