Could landing Melo be easier than landing Love?

[KGs Knee]

Jackson Hates us with a passion. He won't help melo come here to join rondo and love. His wife would kill him if he did. But seriously he won't help melo get to Boston.

I'm not sure I buy this.  Sure, Phil obviously does not like the Celtics, that much is certain.  But Phil is not a stupid man, I have a hard time seeing Phil passing up a good offer for Melo if he is going to leave anyway.  How would it serve the Knicks benefit to get nothing in return for their departing star simply out of spite?

The complicating matter is, there really aren't many obvious choices for Melo in FA this summer, if he is looking to sign with a team he thinks could be an immediate contender.  The only teams that can offer Melo that this summer would require a S&T (Rockets, Bulls, Celtics).  That would seem to limit Melo's leverage to demand a S&T, the Knicks could just call his bluff.  Which ultimately leads me to believe Melo may very well just end up declining his ETO and playing out this next season in NY.  He probably has more, better options next summer.

[GreenWarrior]

Let's talk some reality here. First off the front offices of the Celtics and the Knicks do not like each other and aren't going to do each other any favors to help the other team out. So in any sign and trade expect to give up a ton of draft picks for Melo. Also remember any sign and trade can not happen until after July first so none of this year's pick would be going to NY.

Next, Carmelo is desperate to add a ring or two after seeing the Miami Three get theirs. He will not be willing to jump into a situation like he did in NY where an incomplete team out of the playoffs was still trying to add pieces just to compete. He's going to want to go to a team already competing for a chip. That rules out Boston.

Melo also has a wife that is rooted in NY and would only move to another huge city and one where their players didn't supposedly insult here. Again rule out Boston.

Lastly, for the Celtics to clear enough cap space just to sign here, if NY wouldn't do a sign and trade, they would have to gut their team giving away players for trade exceptions and maybe even send out some picks just to get a team to do the deal where Boston wouldn't take salary back. That would make rebuilding around Rondo and Melo tougher.

Just the more you realistically think about the whole situation the more its apparent that unless we have Love and maybe someone else that has some star like potential along with Rondo and Boston has already proven they can win, the less likely it is for Anthony to try to force a trade to Boston, force a trade and sign to Boston or would want to sign outright in Boston.

I think while what a lot of you say is definitely true. the personal feelings between the knicks and Boston front offices is all but speculation. I think that's more of a fan thing than anything else.

factoring in Melo's wife into the equation is just plain nonsense. you could also look at this positively and say New York is not far from Boston which would be great for Melo's wife.

I think if Melo asks for a trade and tells the knicks he just wants out and won't opt in when the time comes, the knicks would immediately explore every resource. doesn't mean he gets moved right away but it is a possibility.

the only reason Melo's name is even a topic in Boston is because of the rumor(weather true or whatever) and the comment slipped in by Rondo. weather Rondo slipped up or just threw a name out there. the reality is they are friends. to think there has been no recruiting on both parts would be silly to think otherwise.

I've been watching the NBA and other sports for almost 30 yrs. and the one thing I know when it comes to situations like this is "where there's smoke there's fire". 

[gpap]

Let's talk some reality here. First off the front offices of the Celtics and the Knicks do not like each other and aren't going to do each other any favors to help the other team out. So in any sign and trade expect to give up a ton of draft picks for Melo. Also remember any sign and trade can not happen until after July first so none of this year's pick would be going to NY.

Next, Carmelo is desperate to add a ring or two after seeing the Miami Three get theirs. He will not be willing to jump into a situation like he did in NY where an incomplete team out of the playoffs was still trying to add pieces just to compete. He's going to want to go to a team already competing for a chip. That rules out Boston.

Melo also has a wife that is rooted in NY and would only move to another huge city and one where their players didn't supposedly insult here. Again rule out Boston.

Lastly, for the Celtics to clear enough cap space just to sign here, if NY wouldn't do a sign and trade, they would have to gut their team giving away players for trade exceptions and maybe even send out some picks just to get a team to do the deal where Boston wouldn't take salary back. That would make rebuilding around Rondo and Melo tougher.

Just the more you realistically think about the whole situation the more its apparent that unless we have Love and maybe someone else that has some star like potential along with Rondo and Boston has already proven they can win, the less likely it is for Anthony to try to force a trade to Boston, force a trade and sign to Boston or would want to sign outright in Boston.

Not to sound rude but do you have a link to some information that supports this?

[hpantazo]

I just can't see the Knicks trading Melo within their division to the celtics of all teams. Especially not with Phil Jackson running the Knicks. Even if we were his last option, I believe he would rather let Melo walk than trade him to Boston.

[nickagneta]

Let's talk some reality here. First off the front offices of the Celtics and the Knicks do not like each other and aren't going to do each other any favors to help the other team out. So in any sign and trade expect to give up a ton of draft picks for Melo. Also remember any sign and trade can not happen until after July first so none of this year's pick would be going to NY.

Next, Carmelo is desperate to add a ring or two after seeing the Miami Three get theirs. He will not be willing to jump into a situation like he did in NY where an incomplete team out of the playoffs was still trying to add pieces just to compete. He's going to want to go to a team already competing for a chip. That rules out Boston.

Melo also has a wife that is rooted in NY and would only move to another huge city and one where their players didn't supposedly insult here. Again rule out Boston.

Lastly, for the Celtics to clear enough cap space just to sign here, if NY wouldn't do a sign and trade, they would have to gut their team giving away players for trade exceptions and maybe even send out some picks just to get a team to do the deal where Boston wouldn't take salary back. That would make rebuilding around Rondo and Melo tougher.

Just the more you realistically think about the whole situation the more its apparent that unless we have Love and maybe someone else that has some star like potential along with Rondo and Boston has already proven they can win, the less likely it is for Anthony to try to force a trade to Boston, force a trade and sign to Boston or would want to sign outright in Boston.

Not to sound rude but do you have a link to some information that supports this?

Maybe like isn't the right word but if you think Jackson has a great working relationship with anyone in the front office of the Celtics after 2008 and 2010 or that the people in NY that are still there from 2012 when the Knicks and Celtics players were expounding on how much they disliked each other get a warm fuzzy feeling about the people in Boston, then you are deluding yourself. The Knicks and Celtics, players and front offices alike have not gotten along since the 70's. NY was the team that tried to steal Red Auerbach from the Celtics. Ainge had many nasty playoff games versus the Knicks in the 80's. The history is there.

So maybe like isn't the right word but its not like these teams are clamoring to do business with each other. Let's just call the relationship cold as I do not think there has been a Knicks-Celtics trade in the 10 years Ainge has been around.

[Mr October]

I do not want to start a rebuild with Carmelo Anthony if he is going to cost us a cap killing 22-25 million per year.

That kind of pay is MVP territory. That is what KG cost when he arrived, yet he resigned a lower extension.

I don't even know if i am comfortable paying him 20 mil per year. Anything under that, and sure lets do it. Having said that, if NY is offering him 25 per year, he should just ride that out. That's a lot of dough.

And yeah, i agree with the consensus here that Jackson is not going to be looking to do the Celtics any favors by sending him here. I dont think a star player has ever been sent in a sign and trade to a team that didn't have enough cap room to outright sign him.

[KGs Knee]

Let's talk some reality here. First off the front offices of the Celtics and the Knicks do not like each other and aren't going to do each other any favors to help the other team out. So in any sign and trade expect to give up a ton of draft picks for Melo. Also remember any sign and trade can not happen until after July first so none of this year's pick would be going to NY.

Next, Carmelo is desperate to add a ring or two after seeing the Miami Three get theirs. He will not be willing to jump into a situation like he did in NY where an incomplete team out of the playoffs was still trying to add pieces just to compete. He's going to want to go to a team already competing for a chip. That rules out Boston.

Melo also has a wife that is rooted in NY and would only move to another huge city and one where their players didn't supposedly insult here. Again rule out Boston.

Lastly, for the Celtics to clear enough cap space just to sign here, if NY wouldn't do a sign and trade, they would have to gut their team giving away players for trade exceptions and maybe even send out some picks just to get a team to do the deal where Boston wouldn't take salary back. That would make rebuilding around Rondo and Melo tougher.

Just the more you realistically think about the whole situation the more its apparent that unless we have Love and maybe someone else that has some star like potential along with Rondo and Boston has already proven they can win, the less likely it is for Anthony to try to force a trade to Boston, force a trade and sign to Boston or would want to sign outright in Boston.

Not to sound rude but do you have a link to some information that supports this?

Maybe like isn't the right word but if you think Jackson has a great working relationship with anyone in the front office of the Celtics after 2008 and 2010 or that the people in NY that are still there from 2012 when the Knicks and Celtics players were expounding on how much they disliked each other get a warm fuzzy feeling about the people in Boston, then you are deluding yourself. The Knicks and Celtics, players and front offices alike have not gotten along since the 70's. NY was the team that tried to steal Red Auerbach from the Celtics. Ainge had many nasty playoff games versus the Knicks in the 80's. The history is there.

So maybe like isn't the right word but its not like these teams are clamoring to do business with each other. Let's just call the relationship cold as I do not think there has been a Knicks-Celtics trade in the 10 years Ainge has been around.

I don't disagree with any of this.  Neither team is ever likely to do any favors for the other.

But at the end of the day, if the Celtics have the best offer (not saying they would), the best offer usually wins out.  Its not personal, it's business.

[hwangjini_1]

Let's talk some reality here. First off the front offices of the Celtics and the Knicks do not like each other and aren't going to do each other any favors to help the other team out. So in any sign and trade expect to give up a ton of draft picks for Melo. Also remember any sign and trade can not happen until after July first so none of this year's pick would be going to NY.

Next, Carmelo is desperate to add a ring or two after seeing the Miami Three get theirs. He will not be willing to jump into a situation like he did in NY where an incomplete team out of the playoffs was still trying to add pieces just to compete. He's going to want to go to a team already competing for a chip. That rules out Boston.

Melo also has a wife that is rooted in NY and would only move to another huge city and one where their players didn't supposedly insult here. Again rule out Boston.

Lastly, for the Celtics to clear enough cap space just to sign here, if NY wouldn't do a sign and trade, they would have to gut their team giving away players for trade exceptions and maybe even send out some picks just to get a team to do the deal where Boston wouldn't take salary back. That would make rebuilding around Rondo and Melo tougher.

Just the more you realistically think about the whole situation the more its apparent that unless we have Love and maybe someone else that has some star like potential along with Rondo and Boston has already proven they can win, the less likely it is for Anthony to try to force a trade to Boston, force a trade and sign to Boston or would want to sign outright in Boston.

Not to sound rude but do you have a link to some information that supports this?

Maybe like isn't the right word but if you think Jackson has a great working relationship with anyone in the front office of the Celtics after 2008 and 2010 or that the people in NY that are still there from 2012 when the Knicks and Celtics players were expounding on how much they disliked each other get a warm fuzzy feeling about the people in Boston, then you are deluding yourself. The Knicks and Celtics, players and front offices alike have not gotten along since the 70's. NY was the team that tried to steal Red Auerbach from the Celtics. Ainge had many nasty playoff games versus the Knicks in the 80's. The history is there.

So maybe like isn't the right word but its not like these teams are clamoring to do business with each other. Let's just call the relationship cold as I do not think there has been a Knicks-Celtics trade in the 10 years Ainge has been around.

actually, it has been less than 10 years since the hated knicks and our beloved celtics saw eye-to-eye and made a trade. so maybe melo is not impossible due to mutual loathing. however, nick's other points about the trade do seem to stand.

Feb 18, 2010 - The 2009-2010 Trade Deadline.
J.R. Giddens was acquired by the New York Knicks from the Boston Celtics in a trade.

Eddie House was acquired by the New York Knicks from the Boston Celtics in a trade.

The New York Knicks sent Marcus Landry in a trade to the Boston Celtics.

The New York Knicks sent Nate Robinson in a trade to the Boston Celtics.

Bill Walker was acquired by the New York Knicks from the Boston Celtics in a trade.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/New-York-Knicks/20/Transaction_History/2009

[hpantazo]

Let's talk some reality here. First off the front offices of the Celtics and the Knicks do not like each other and aren't going to do each other any favors to help the other team out. So in any sign and trade expect to give up a ton of draft picks for Melo. Also remember any sign and trade can not happen until after July first so none of this year's pick would be going to NY.

Next, Carmelo is desperate to add a ring or two after seeing the Miami Three get theirs. He will not be willing to jump into a situation like he did in NY where an incomplete team out of the playoffs was still trying to add pieces just to compete. He's going to want to go to a team already competing for a chip. That rules out Boston.

Melo also has a wife that is rooted in NY and would only move to another huge city and one where their players didn't supposedly insult here. Again rule out Boston.

Lastly, for the Celtics to clear enough cap space just to sign here, if NY wouldn't do a sign and trade, they would have to gut their team giving away players for trade exceptions and maybe even send out some picks just to get a team to do the deal where Boston wouldn't take salary back. That would make rebuilding around Rondo and Melo tougher.

Just the more you realistically think about the whole situation the more its apparent that unless we have Love and maybe someone else that has some star like potential along with Rondo and Boston has already proven they can win, the less likely it is for Anthony to try to force a trade to Boston, force a trade and sign to Boston or would want to sign outright in Boston.

Not to sound rude but do you have a link to some information that supports this?

Maybe like isn't the right word but if you think Jackson has a great working relationship with anyone in the front office of the Celtics after 2008 and 2010 or that the people in NY that are still there from 2012 when the Knicks and Celtics players were expounding on how much they disliked each other get a warm fuzzy feeling about the people in Boston, then you are deluding yourself. The Knicks and Celtics, players and front offices alike have not gotten along since the 70's. NY was the team that tried to steal Red Auerbach from the Celtics. Ainge had many nasty playoff games versus the Knicks in the 80's. The history is there.

So maybe like isn't the right word but its not like these teams are clamoring to do business with each other. Let's just call the relationship cold as I do not think there has been a Knicks-Celtics trade in the 10 years Ainge has been around.

actually, it has been less than 10 years since the hated knicks and our beloved celtics saw eye-to-eye and made a trade. so maybe melo is not impossible due to mutual loathing. however, nick's other points about the trade do seem to stand.

Feb 18, 2010 - The 2009-2010 Trade Deadline.
J.R. Giddens was acquired by the New York Knicks from the Boston Celtics in a trade.

Eddie House was acquired by the New York Knicks from the Boston Celtics in a trade.

The New York Knicks sent Marcus Landry in a trade to the Boston Celtics.

The New York Knicks sent Nate Robinson in a trade to the Boston Celtics.

Bill Walker was acquired by the New York Knicks from the Boston Celtics in a trade.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/New-York-Knicks/20/Transaction_History/2009

a "crap in and crap out" type of trade

[LennyBruce]

Knicks are looking to unload Melo.