Should we blow everything up and trade rondo for a lottery

[colincb]

The fact is, looking back, Rondo chased Ray Allen out of Boston. Ray Allen, the guy on your TV right now in the Finals for the 4th time in 6 years.

I blamed Ray at first, but looking back it was Rondo's big ego that drove Ray out of town. Always waving Ray off unless he was wide open.

Rondo wanted to replace Ray in the Big 3, giving KG and PP all the shots they wanted but limiting the scoring opportunities of the best shooter Rondo could ever hope to play with.

"Pressed about Rondo specifically, Allen didn?t deny that there was tension, but said it wasn?t a reason for going to Miami."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2012/07/ray_allen_talks_about_leaving.html

[NorthernLightning]

we use our 6th pick on Aaron gordon. 8th pick( which we get from sacramento for rondo) to get smart. Use our  17th pick and couple second rounders to move up to like 15 and draft saric were he will fall because he said he only wants to play for the celtics and laker. he will also fall because he played in a foreign league.

Why would we want to do this?  What are the strengths and weaknesses of this strategy?

Rookies play on cheap long-term deals. If you make the right picks, you can set your franchise up for long time, while having plenty of cap room to sign good/top free agents.

Are there any weaknesses?

Sure, your GM could blow the picks on Fab Melos.

[Schiller]

Ray Allen, the guy on your TV right now in the Finals for the 4th time in 6 years.

It's not because of him they've been in the finals. He left to go to a younger contending team.

This thread has turned into a real Rondo bashing thread. Rondo can't shoot. Rondo wants a max contract. Rondo forced Ray Allen to leave.

Where are the facts for any of these assertions?

And I can assert Rondo wants max money because he turned down an extension that we offered him.

The only reason for him turning down an extension is NOT because he wants max. There are other benefits to him turning down the extension at this time. For instance, he can gauge what the team will look like after the next season (do we bring in help?). He also can get a no-trade clause.

[NorthernLightning]

The good news for Rondo fans is that nobody's offering a top 10 pick for him.

[Future Celtics Owner]

So, basically this is a Smart for Rondo type deal? (How you proposed we would use the 8th pick). I would say no.

Why?

Well, this is how I thought of it.

Rajon Rondo
Pros: Champion, 2 time All-Defensive 1st team (2 time 2nd team), 4 time all-star and most importantly a proven commodity.

Cons: Working back from his injury, 27 (almost 28) is kind of old?

Marcus Smart
Pros: To keep it simple -- potential.

Cons: A hot-head and has "bust" potential.


I just really don't see Marcus Smart being a future star in the league, which, quite frankly, is something Rondo already is. I just don't see the advantage to doing this trade you are proposing. Things are also looking up right now with the whole Kevin Love ordeal.

I think you should also mention a con for Rondo is that he contract will be up soon and he wants max money. We would have to decide if we want a pg who can't shoot for another 6 years and into his twilight....or he could leave and we get nothing

Honestly, if you think my comment above is "spewing crap about Rondo"....I'm afraid your not gonna like it here

[Tr1boy]

I have a gut feeling that if Sac is going to lose out on Love, they will offer the 8 and Mclemore for Rondo and 17th or future 1st.  Danny likely doesn't go with the trade but you never know

He loses out on Love, Melo is not going to come here, Morey is crazy asking alot for Asik etc.

Danny doesn't want to risk going into next season without added help, but also will not overpay.

We are not getting love imo.  So his next logical step could be to trade Rondo

A very good chance we can get Smart at 8 and Gordon at 6. I wouldn't mind this at all

[freshinthehouse]

we use our 6th pick on Aaron gordon. 8th pick( which we get from sacramento for rondo) to get smart.

I'd be up for this if we could guarantee Smart was available, and if Sacto sweetened the pot a bit.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Ray Allen, the guy on your TV right now in the Finals for the 4th time in 6 years.

It's not because of him they've been in the finals. He left to go to a younger contending team.

This thread has turned into a real Rondo bashing thread. Rondo can't shoot. Rondo wants a max contract. Rondo forced Ray Allen to leave.

Where are the facts for any of these assertions?

And I can assert Rondo wants max money because he turned down an extension that we offered him.

The only reason for him turning down an extension is NOT because he wants max. There are other benefits to him turning down the extension at this time. For instance, he can gauge what the team will look like after the next season (do we bring in help?). He also can get a no-trade clause.

I agree with you there are other benefits for turning down the extension. And one of them is for max money. And according to Ainge he knew Rondo would turn it down anyway because financially it did not make sense. But it was a formality I'm guessing.

Rondo will probably get star money...and he deserves it because of the market.

Wait. Do you not think Rondo deserves star money??

[Schiller]

Rondo does deserve star money. I think you are equating star money with a max contract though. I believe Rondo is ALREADY making star money and so does he. I would post the video backing that claim up, but I'm not going to spend the time finding it when you apparently don't like watching (or reading) what I post.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I have a gut feeling that if Sac is going to lose out on Love, they will offer the 8 and Mclemore for Rondo and 17th or future 1st.  Danny likely doesn't go with the trade but you never know

He loses out on Love, Melo is not going to come here, Morey is crazy asking alot for Asik etc.

Danny doesn't want to risk going into next season without added help, but also will not overpay.

We are not getting love imo.  So his next logical step could be to trade Rondo

A very good chance we can get Smart at 8 and Gordon at 6. I wouldn't mind this at all

Yea I agree with u tri. Also I don;t think Sac will require Rondo to sign ext for the trade to happen. At least thats what they said about love.

[BballTim]

I have a gut feeling that if Sac is going to lose out on Love, they will offer the 8 and Mclemore for Rondo and 17th or future 1st.  Danny likely doesn't go with the trade but you never know

  Supposedly they were set to offer more than that last year before they got word Rondo didn't want to play there. That ship has probably sailed.

[colincb]

I have a gut feeling that if Sac is going to lose out on Love, they will offer the 8 and Mclemore for Rondo and 17th or future 1st.  Danny likely doesn't go with the trade but you never know

He loses out on Love, Melo is not going to come here, Morey is crazy asking alot for Asik etc.

Danny doesn't want to risk going into next season without added help, but also will not overpay.

We are not getting love imo.  So his next logical step could be to trade Rondo

A very good chance we can get Smart at 8 and Gordon at 6. I wouldn't mind this at all

Danny might trade Rondo and the 17th pick or a future first for the 8th pick and McLemore? Do you think that's a good trade?

[nickagneta]

Boston sucked with Rondo. So why on Earth would you trade the only reason to attract other good players by trade and free agency just to get younger and worse. Its not like this team would have to tank next year to be awful if Love isn't traded here. Is not like the Celtics are going to be able to keep all the draft picks they already have over the next few years and need more. And its not like after the top 3 this draft is so much better than most other drafts where you want 3-4 players from that draft on the team at the same time.

I just don't get this. I'll take Rondo over every single PG drafted in this draft for next year and the 3-6 years after that.

[Future Celtics Owner]

In response to you saying Rondo can't shoot: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/courtvision-everything-you-think-you-know-about-rondos-shooting-is-wrong/

I'm not saying he is a good shooter, but saying he can't shoot isn't true.

Also, he has NEVER said he wanted max money. I don't know why so many people regurgitate the same things about Rondo.

I don't need to watch a puff piece about Rondo's shooting. And your right Rondo can shoot....layups great.

1. You aren't watching anything. It's an article.

2. If you took two minutes to actually read the article you would see why you're wrong. This would lead to you becoming a more informed fan and hopefully spewing less crap about Rondo.

This just makes you look like an elitist . Its so funny when people come on the internet and brag how informed they are. I read the article, and its nothing I did not pick up from watching Rondo his whole career. Although, it did make my point. Rondo is great at layups

[Schiller]

In response to you saying Rondo can't shoot: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/courtvision-everything-you-think-you-know-about-rondos-shooting-is-wrong/

I'm not saying he is a good shooter, but saying he can't shoot isn't true.

Also, he has NEVER said he wanted max money. I don't know why so many people regurgitate the same things about Rondo.

I don't need to watch a puff piece about Rondo's shooting. And your right Rondo can shoot....layups great.

1. You aren't watching anything. It's an article.

2. If you took two minutes to actually read the article you would see why you're wrong. This would lead to you becoming a more informed fan and hopefully spewing less crap about Rondo.

This just makes you look like an elitist . Its so funny when people come on the internet and brag how informed they are. I read the article, and its nothing I did not pick up from watching Rondo his whole career. Although, it did make my point. Rondo is great at layups

Uhg.

This isn't a me vs. you thing. We're both Celtics fans. I didn't say I was a more informed fan, or even an informed fan. I said IF you read that article you could become a more informed fan. Please don't distort what I said.

The article didn't just talk about layups either, come on.