Celtics locked in with Aaron Gordon at 6

[Roy H.]

Eh, Mannix + "believed to be locked in" = weak rumor

Just curious, could you please rank the "Insiders" from those that you do believe to those that you don't?


Please do not include Bert Ramirez.   

Woj, Berger, and Aldridge are well-connected.  Stein is decent, and Ford is usually pretty solid on the draft (although he can be used for smokescreens, as well.)   Locally, Murphy, Bulpett and Forsberg generally get pretty good info.

There are lots of bad reporters who make stuff up, don't understand the CBA, or both.

[Eja117]

This is according to "several league sources".  He coulda at least gone with "sources close to the team"

[boscel33]

Eh, Mannix + "believed to be locked in" = weak rumor

Oh if I had a dime for every time some one posts a rumor and the source is shot down.  A rumor is a rumor, whether its from a "weak" source or Wojo himself.  It's still a discussion point and who knows, there have been sources out there quoted (Bleacher Report comes to mind), that people in these forums shot down, and low and behold, the rumor was actually true.  Maybe we should keep the opinion of the originators to ourselves, and not just shoot everything down.

Who said that people shouldn't discuss the report?

I'm very skeptical of the source.  Mannix is an interesting reporter and seems like a good guy, but his sources are weak, and even the report itself doesn't say definitively that Danny is "locked in".  Rather, it's "believed" that that is Danny's thinking, i.e., the sources are reading tea leaves.

Not all sources are created equal, and the credibility of somebody spreading a rumor is a valid topic of discussion.

I think when certain members here shoot down the validity of a rumor, or the source of a rumor, it leads others not to want to comment and have the back and forth a forum might provide.  I don't care if it's Mannix, Stephan A, or Wojo, a rumor comes from somewhere and the source (no one really knows who they are), could be a locker room kid who heard something.  Credible, maybe or maybe not, but in todays social media age where sports writers, especially beat writers, make their living off of sources so they can be first to twitter with it, I wouldn't rule anyone out now.

I know, its frustrating to see a story, post it on here, and at times one of the first comments is, the source is worthless!

[D.o.s.]

^ fair point.

I'd rather have Smart than Gordon, but honestly I'm going to root for whoever we draft, assuming he actually lands on the team.

[Roy H.]

Eh, Mannix + "believed to be locked in" = weak rumor

Oh if I had a dime for every time some one posts a rumor and the source is shot down.  A rumor is a rumor, whether its from a "weak" source or Wojo himself.  It's still a discussion point and who knows, there have been sources out there quoted (Bleacher Report comes to mind), that people in these forums shot down, and low and behold, the rumor was actually true.  Maybe we should keep the opinion of the originators to ourselves, and not just shoot everything down.

Who said that people shouldn't discuss the report?

I'm very skeptical of the source.  Mannix is an interesting reporter and seems like a good guy, but his sources are weak, and even the report itself doesn't say definitively that Danny is "locked in".  Rather, it's "believed" that that is Danny's thinking, i.e., the sources are reading tea leaves.

Not all sources are created equal, and the credibility of somebody spreading a rumor is a valid topic of discussion.

I think when certain members here shoot down the validity of a rumor, or the source of a rumor, it leads others not to want to comment and have the back and forth a forum might provide.  I don't care if it's Mannix, Stephan A, or Wojo, a rumor comes from somewhere and the source (no one really knows who they are), could be a locker room kid who heard something.  Credible, maybe or maybe not, but in todays social media age where sports writers, especially beat writers, make their living off of sources so they can be first to twitter with it, I wouldn't rule anyone out now.

I know, its frustrating to see a story, post it on here, and at times one of the first comments is, the source is worthless!

Where do you draw the line?  We have a thread on here discussing an internet site that made up a rumor based upon some random comments from an anonymous poster on RealGM.  Does that deserve the same level of credibility as, say, something from Woj?

[Celtics4ever]

I'm going to root for whoever we draft, assuming he actually lands on the team.

I find some guys flawed but once they are playing for us I root for them. +1

[nickagneta]

Danny is locked in to draft a PF for the third straight year while still having the other two PFs on the roster along with a couple others?

I'll believe that when I see it. Danny Ainge is not David Kahn.

[Lucky17]

Danny is locked in to draft a PF for the third straight year while still having the other two PFs on the roster along with a couple others?

I'll believe that when I see it. Danny Ainge is not David Kahn.

I know he's perhaps as tall as 6'10", but isn't Gordon's initial position in the NBA for the next several years going to be SF?

[footey]

Eh, Mannix + "believed to be locked in" = weak rumor

Just curious, could you please rank the "Insiders" from those that you do believe to those that you don't?


Please do not include Bert Ramirez.   

Woj, Berger, and Aldridge are well-connected.  Stein is decent, and Ford is usually pretty solid on the draft (although he can be used for smokescreens, as well.)   Locally, Murphy, Bulpett and Forsberg generally get pretty good info.

There are lots of bad reporters who make stuff up, don't understand the CBA, or both.

Didn't Berger recently claim that he knew Kevin Love for a long time and that Love had absolutely no interest in going to Boston?  Seems so at odds with recent events.  To put him in the same level of credibility as Woj  is a stretch.

[Chief Macho]

good.  dude will be an all star.

Yes. Or he'll be Michael Beasley.

weak.   this dude has nothing in common with michael beasley.   be honest,  how much have you watched him?    i watched every minute he played last season.    this guy has unreal competitiveness and wants to be special.    people want to knock him for his shooting,  fine, but it's his shot is not broken.   his mechanics are fine.  he'll start knocking down shots with more pratice.   he's got a special feel around the basket that can't be taught.   finger rolls and layups and tip ins.   he's showed to many flashes to even be close to his ceiling.   

[Eja117]

good.  dude will be an all star.

Yes. Or he'll be Michael Beasley.

He might end up being a tweener without much impact play, but he'll never be a lazy chucker like Beez.

Not his game.

Well, Beasley IS a tweener without much impact play. I was emphasizing the outcome rather than the reasons.

Use Derrick Williams then.

Beasley wouldn't be such a negative player if he bothered to try to rebound or defend.

Or if stopped smoking the reefer....

[boscel33]

Eh, Mannix + "believed to be locked in" = weak rumor

Oh if I had a dime for every time some one posts a rumor and the source is shot down.  A rumor is a rumor, whether its from a "weak" source or Wojo himself.  It's still a discussion point and who knows, there have been sources out there quoted (Bleacher Report comes to mind), that people in these forums shot down, and low and behold, the rumor was actually true.  Maybe we should keep the opinion of the originators to ourselves, and not just shoot everything down.

Who said that people shouldn't discuss the report?

I'm very skeptical of the source.  Mannix is an interesting reporter and seems like a good guy, but his sources are weak, and even the report itself doesn't say definitively that Danny is "locked in".  Rather, it's "believed" that that is Danny's thinking, i.e., the sources are reading tea leaves.

Not all sources are created equal, and the credibility of somebody spreading a rumor is a valid topic of discussion.

I think when certain members here shoot down the validity of a rumor, or the source of a rumor, it leads others not to want to comment and have the back and forth a forum might provide.  I don't care if it's Mannix, Stephan A, or Wojo, a rumor comes from somewhere and the source (no one really knows who they are), could be a locker room kid who heard something.  Credible, maybe or maybe not, but in todays social media age where sports writers, especially beat writers, make their living off of sources so they can be first to twitter with it, I wouldn't rule anyone out now.

I know, its frustrating to see a story, post it on here, and at times one of the first comments is, the source is worthless!

Where do you draw the line?  We have a thread on here discussing an internet site that made up a rumor based upon some random comments from an anonymous poster on RealGM.  Does that deserve the same level of credibility as, say, something from Woj?

Who's the anonymous poster is the question that needs to be answered?  Maybe he/she is anonymous to protect sources.  I get there are people who are more connected than others, Adam Schefter for instance in the NFL, but I've seen posts where the poster has submitted the rumor and where he/she got it from, immediately its slammed because of the source, then all of a sudden, there's actual merit to the rumor  I think people are to quick to rule out the validity based on source.  That's all. 

[nickagneta]

Danny is locked in to draft a PF for the third straight year while still having the other two PFs on the roster along with a couple others?

I'll believe that when I see it. Danny Ainge is not David Kahn.

I know he's perhaps as tall as 6'10", but isn't Gordon's initial position in the NBA for the next several years going to be SF?

I have been under the impression he would have to play PF because his lack of shooting at the SF position makes him nothing more than a young, Gerald Wallace like bench role playing SF. Those type of players aren't selected 6th in the draft.

For any real offense from the kid he has to play as close to the basket as possible. Heck he can't even hit free throws at a rate above 45%. He would be a massive offensive liability at SF.

How bad a shooter is Aaron Gordon? 10 players in the NBA last year shot a better percentage from the NBA three point line than Gordon did as a free throw shooter in college.

[Lucky17]

Danny is locked in to draft a PF for the third straight year while still having the other two PFs on the roster along with a couple others?

I'll believe that when I see it. Danny Ainge is not David Kahn.

I know he's perhaps as tall as 6'10", but isn't Gordon's initial position in the NBA for the next several years going to be SF?

I have been under the impression he would have to play PF because his lack of shooting at the SF position makes him nothing more than a young, Gerald Wallace like bench role playing SF. Those type of players aren't selected 6th in the draft.

For any real offense from the kid he has to play as close to the basket as possible. Heck he can't even hit free throws at a rate above 45%. He would be a massive offensive liability at SF.

How bad a shooter is Aaron Gordon? 10 players in the NBA last year shot a better percentage from the NBA three point line than Gordon did as a free throw shooter in college.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist comes to mind.

I think any single player can fit into a lineup based on the players around him. Gordon could play SF if he's surrounded by shooters. Sully and Olynyk in the frontcourt, for instance.

He certainly does sound raw as a shooter. But shooting mechanics can be broken down and reconstructed. If he's as smart as they say, I imagine he can improve.

[crimson_stallion]

I'm not religious,  but I still pray to good this isn't true.  Gordon is going to be by far the worst player in the top 8.  Expect an athletic Bruce Bowen - he'll have no hope in hell of ever being a star,  but instead will battle for a starting spot as a tweener and defensive role player.

Unless Da has a trade planned for him,  this better not be true! Would be the dumbest move Ainge has ever made.