Maybe We already have Kevin Love (Kelly Olynyk)

[footey]

you're all cool with us trading Oly for Love, though... right?

Only if the celtics also get 3 first rounders in return as part of the package. After all, fair is fair.

Sarcasm tends to work better if there is a bigger point you are trying to make.  Are you suggesting that we should trade a lot of assets to get Love and sign him to a max deal??

[RebusRankin]

I'd trade Oly for Love in a second.

[GreenWarrior]

yeah maybe in 3 - 5 yrs. olynyk becomes kevin love....or we could just trade for Love now and not wait.

[knuckleballer]

Their games are not similar.  Love was stronger and a better rebounder at age 20 than Olynyk will ever be.  I like Oly, but your hopes for him are unreasonable.  Ainge was right when he said he was a complimentary player.  Love is a featured player worth a max contract.  He's not worth as much as Lebron, but in a free market, Lebron would be worth $50 million.

[Rodan45]

yeah maybe in 3 - 5 yrs. olynyk becomes kevin love....or we could just trade for Love now and not wait.

Beat me to it. Kelly won't be Kevin next season, or the season after that...or maybe the season after that.

We'd need more than just Love but he is a proven, Kelly has "potential."

[footey]

This thread is based on an observation in which KLove is extremely underrated and KO is overrated.

I'm as big of a KO fan as the next guy, but you are truly missing out on the monster player KLove is.

Win Shares, Points Per Game, Rebounds, Player Efficiency Rating..all tops in the league despite going against the most difficult teams in the West.  Also a fact that is often misunderstood is that Minnesota's starting 5 actually played fairly well it was the teams lack of depth that crushed them night in an night out.  So no his stats are not padded and yes he actual can help his team win.

KO could be a nice player...but in the same regard JGreen could score 40 a game.  A coach wants a known quantity..not wishful thinking..not inconsistency.

and KLove = consistency

You may be right in terms of me underestimating Love. I have not watched Love play a lot, and can't even begin to comprehend the significance of the stats you just referred to.  I may be underestimating Love's current game. I am basing it just on watching an occasional game against the Celtics, and some video footage highlights.  I do not come away thinking I am watching a monster player, however.

I don't agree with you f you are making the point that Kelly's game is inconsistent. When healthy, and when given meaningful minutes, his game has been pretty darn consistently good.  Very unlike Jeff Green; that comparison does not resonate with me at all. 

[playdream]

Kelly surely has the potential to be as good as Love, but not now
i am OK for a Kelly-Love 1 to 1 trade, maybe add our #17 and Wallace+Bass for sallary

[hpantazo]

Kelly surely has the potential to be as good as Love, but not now
i am OK for a Kelly-Love 1 to 1 trade, maybe add our #17 and Wallace+Bass for sallary

LOL!! Really? I mean, Bill Simmons wrote that we should offer KO, Sully, our #6, #17, and our 1st next year and a few more picks to get Love.

We have to at least give up one of KO/Sully, both picks this year, and another future 1st.

[DraftSmart33]

This thread is based on an observation in which KLove is extremely underrated and KO is overrated.

I'm as big of a KO fan as the next guy, but you are truly missing out on the monster player KLove is.

Win Shares, Points Per Game, Rebounds, Player Efficiency Rating..all tops in the league despite going against the most difficult teams in the West.  Also a fact that is often misunderstood is that Minnesota's starting 5 actually played fairly well it was the teams lack of depth that crushed them night in an night out.  So no his stats are not padded and yes he actual can help his team win.

KO could be a nice player...but in the same regard JGreen could score 40 a game.  A coach wants a known quantity..not wishful thinking..not inconsistency.

and KLove = consistency

You may be right in terms of me underestimating Love. I have not watched Love play a lot, and can't even begin to comprehend the significance of the stats you just referred to.  I may be underestimating Love's current game. I am basing it just on watching an occasional game against the Celtics, and some video footage highlights.  I do not come away thinking I am watching a monster player, however.

I don't agree with you f you are making the point that Kelly's game is inconsistent. When healthy, and when given meaningful minutes, his game has been pretty darn consistently good.  Very unlike Jeff Green; that comparison does not resonate with me at all.

What KO is consistent in is scoring 6-8 points and pulling down 5-6 rebounds...thats my point.  There is nothing to support him reaching 25 and 12 through out a season other than saying it could happen.

[obnoxiousmime]

you're all cool with us trading Oly for Love, though... right?

Of course.  Just making a few points: 1. Their games are similar. 2. Factoring in KO's injury, their first seasons statistically not much different. 3.  Love not worth a Max Deal if our goal is to win championships.  I am not saying that they are on the same level right now, or even that Ollie will ever reach that statistical level.

The problem is there are only a handful of truly elite guys out there and 30 teams have the space for a 2, sometimes even 3 max deals each. Unless you are lucky enough to get one of those players in the draft (Celtics ping pong balls failed in 97 for Duncan and 08 for Durant) then you can only trade for them or convince them to come over as a free agent. Unfortunately those first-tier guys almost never become available, and the second tier below them is only occasionally attainable. That's where Love resides.

Instead of seeing Love as overpaid as a max guy, you should wonder instead why LeBron and Durant are massively underpaid compared to the value they bring to the court. The owners want to limit star salaries but the result of that is the top top stars can create these superteams with two other max guys. That would not be possible if LeBron was being paid what he's actually worth.

[hpantazo]

you're all cool with us trading Oly for Love, though... right?

Of course.  Just making a few points: 1. Their games are similar. 2. Factoring in KO's injury, their first seasons statistically not much different. 3.  Love not worth a Max Deal if our goal is to win championships.  I am not saying that they are on the same level right now, or even that Ollie will ever reach that statistical level.

The problem is there are only a handful of truly elite guys out there and 30 teams have the space for a 2, sometimes even 3 max deals each. Unless you are lucky enough to get one of those players in the draft (Celtics ping pong balls failed in 97 for Duncan and 08 for Durant) then you can only trade for them or convince them to come over as a free agent. Unfortunately those first-tier guys almost never become available, and the second tier below them is only occasionally attainable. That's where Love resides.

Instead of seeing Love as overpaid as a max guy, you should wonder instead why LeBron and Durant are massively underpaid compared to the value they bring to the court. The owners want to limit star salaries but the result of that is the top top stars can create these superteams with two other max guys. That would not be possible if LeBron was being paid what he's actually worth.

Well put. We tried, we lost out on ping pong balls in 97, 08, and 14. We have to go with plan B for competing like we did in 08 because we are not getting a Lebron or a Duncan anytime soon.

[footey]

Love is a featured player worth a max contract. 

I guy does not have to be as good as Lebron to get a max contract, but he needs to be good enough to be the centerpiece of an NBA championship team.  Kevin Garnett, for example. Sorry, but Kevin Love is not going to be the centerpiece of an NBA championship-caliber team, in my estimation.  That is not to say other teams would not pay him that much.   Guys get overpaid all the time. And I'm not saying relative to other players, because you could make a very good case on that basis he is worth a max deal. I am saying if you are a smart GM, and I believe that Ainge is, given the salary cap limitations, signing guys to max deals who are not centerpieces to championship teams is how you end up in mediocrity for a very long time.  For the same reason, Danny reportedly will not give Rondo a max deal. 

[footey]

Kelly surely has the potential to be as good as Love, but not now
i am OK for a Kelly-Love 1 to 1 trade, maybe add our #17 and Wallace+Bass for sallary

LOL!! Really? I mean, Bill Simmons wrote that we should offer KO, Sully, our #6, #17, and our 1st next year and a few more picks to get Love.

We have to at least give up one of KO/Sully, both picks this year, and another future 1st.

Thank goodness Bill Simmons is not our GM, because he would ruin our team.

[hpantazo]

Love is a featured player worth a max contract. 

I guy does not have to be as good as Lebron to get a max contract, but he needs to be good enough to be the centerpiece of an NBA championship team.  Kevin Garnett, for example. Sorry, but Kevin Love is not going to be the centerpiece of an NBA championship-caliber team, in my estimation.  That is not to say other teams would not pay him that much.   Guys get overpaid all the time. And I'm not saying relative to other players, because you could make a very good case on that basis he is worth a max deal. I am saying if you are a smart GM, and I believe that Ainge is, given the salary cap limitations, signing guys to max deals who are not centerpieces to championship teams is how you end up in mediocrity for a very long time.  For the same reason, Danny reportedly will not give Rondo a max deal.

Based on what? All indications from Ainge recently are that he expects Rondo to get a max deal and that's why they haven't tried to sign him to an extension, because Rondo would lose money and it's not worth it for Rondo.

[furball]

This is why I keep saying we should use the assets to fill in other holes.  When Kelly was given the minutes he was very effective.  He;'s not the rebounder Love is but he can score much better then people seem to think.  Here's what I wrote in my Celtics review for my blog...

 "If you just take the games where Olynyk played over 20 minutes his numbers are even better. He passed the 20 minute mark 35 times this season putting up 12.3 points, 6.9 boards, and 2.3 assists in 25.6 minutes.  If you narrow it down even more to games where he played over 27 minutes a game (mind you starter minutes are considered around 36 minutes) he went for 18.2, 10, and 3.5 in 30.5 minutes over 11 games.  It?s a small sample size but it?s still really good.  In his last three games of the season, due to injuries to the other bigs, he averaged 34.7 minutes per and went for 25.7, 9.3 and 3.7.  Now that?s a tiny sample but it?s still a very good run."

Also if you look at the post All Star break numbers he shot 51% from the floor, 42.6% from three, and 81.8& from the free throw line. 

I still say spend the assets on a winger and a shot blocking/rebounding center.