Omer Asik is not the third in the next Big Three....

[knuckleballer]

We can get Asik with our trade exception and maybe the Clippers pick.  Sanders makes too much money for that same deal.  How do you propose getting him or another player as good?  Asik is one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league and he's available. 

[hpantazo]

If we get Love, and the Rockets remain too demanding for Asik, why not go after Varejao? He's a poor man's Joakim Noah, and the Cavs should be willing to move him if they draft Embiid. He should cost less in terms of assets and would be better than Asik.

[knuckleballer]

If we get Love, and the Rockets remain too demanding for Asik, why not go after Varejao? He's a poor man's Joakim Noah, and the Cavs should be willing to move him if they draft Embiid. He should cost less in terms of assets and would be better than Asik.

I like Varejao, but in the the past four seasons he has played 31, 25, 25, and 65 games.  I would rather have Asik.

[Who]

If we get Love, and the Rockets remain too demanding for Asik, why not go after Varejao? He's a poor man's Joakim Noah, and the Cavs should be willing to move him if they draft Embiid. He should cost less in terms of assets and would be better than Asik.

I like Varejao, but in the the past four seasons he has played 31, 25, 25, and 65 games.  I would rather have Asik.

Plus, all those injuries have sapped away at Varejao's quickness, agility and overall mobility.

Varejao is no longer the defensive force he used to be.

[pokeKingCurtis]

If we get Love, and the Rockets remain too demanding for Asik, why not go after Varejao? He's a poor man's Joakim Noah, and the Cavs should be willing to move him if they draft Embiid. He should cost less in terms of assets and would be better than Asik.

I like Varejao, but in the the past four seasons he has played 31, 25, 25, and 65 games.  I would rather have Asik.

Plus, all those injuries have sapped away at Varejao's quickness, agility and overall mobility.

Varejao is no longer the defensive force he used to be.

20 minutes a game next to Olynyk and Sully is all we really need.

[badshar]

This thread.

Omer Asik at his very best is a great role player. Even a solid sixth man (in the form of a big man who rebounds), but nothing beyond that. Him being the third star in a Big 3 is out of question.

I'd imagine a perfect lineup (or at least a great one) being as follows: Rondo-Someone who can shoot-Carmelo-Love-Asik, where Asik is your solid big man who is underrated, but actually helps the team in big ways.

Of course, that is if we can get Love and Carmelo.

[green147]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyTgUay6J_k

[crimson_stallion]

I think he can average a solid 8, 10 and 1, but that isn't third option numbers.

Well, there's your problem. You're looking at the numbers, not the impact. He's one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.

You don't win in the NBA by limiting the amount of points your opponent is scoring.  You win in the NBA by ensuring your opponent scores less than you.

See, having a big man who can potentially hold Demarcus Cousins to 14 points might seem impressive...until you realise that your own big man only scored 6.

That's why investing in Asik as your 3rd or 4th highest paid player is a big no-no.  Unless the rest of your team is dominant enough offensively to negate his offensive limitations (which Boston's certainly are not) this approach just won't work.  Yes Boston wen't far with Kendrick Perkins as a starting center - but Boston also had Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in their starting lineup.  Now they have Avery Bradley, Jeff Green and Jarred Sullinger.  Big difference.

[crimson_stallion]

As a defender, Asik is on the same level as Dwight Howard

I have just awarded you a TP - since joining this forum, nobody has ever made me laugh so hard.

[crimson_stallion]

This thread.

Omer Asik at his very best is a great role player. Even a solid sixth man (in the form of a big man who rebounds), but nothing beyond that. Him being the third star in a Big 3 is out of question.

I'd imagine a perfect lineup (or at least a great one) being as follows: Rondo-Someone who can shoot-Carmelo-Love-Asik, where Asik is your solid big man who is underrated, but actually helps the team in big ways.

Of course, that is if we can get Love and Carmelo.

My lord, somebody who actually understands!

As mentioned above I'm not by any means saying Asik is a terrible / useless player.  Of course he has strong aspects to his game and contribute to a team in ways beyond what his stats may show.

BUT the fact remains that he is a pure role player, and makes WAY too much money for what he offers.  Bringing in Asik at the $15M he's due next season would be equivalent to the Thunder signing Perkins to that $10M+ salary when they go him in the trade.  If not for Perk, they might have had the cap space to keep Harden...and tha twould have completely changed their team dynamic.  Now they are somewhat crippled because they are paying 'good starter' money to a guy who is nothing more than a role player.

If Boston gets Asik at $15M they are playing All-Star money for a guy who is an overglorified role player and barely good enough to be a starting center.  The idea of getting Love and then brigning in a third star in addition to Asik isn't an option, because with Rondo/Love/Asik Boston would have no cap space to sign another star.

He's not the third in the big 3, but he is a very good player that will make our team better. If we are going to have a third great player, it will probably come later on when we have cap space or by using the picks we have left.

You talk about signing Asik as if there is no Salary cap in the NBA.  "Who cares if he's due $15M, he can defend and rebound and will help the team!".  Fact is that he woudl take up almost 1/3 of Boston's salary cap, and in no world/universe/galaxy/dimension is Asik good enough to justify that type of financial commitment.  With Asik on this team, there would be no cap space...and there would been third great player.

[knuckleballer]

This thread.

Omer Asik at his very best is a great role player. Even a solid sixth man (in the form of a big man who rebounds), but nothing beyond that. Him being the third star in a Big 3 is out of question.

I'd imagine a perfect lineup (or at least a great one) being as follows: Rondo-Someone who can shoot-Carmelo-Love-Asik, where Asik is your solid big man who is underrated, but actually helps the team in big ways.

Of course, that is if we can get Love and Carmelo.

My lord, somebody who actually understands!

As mentioned above I'm not by any means saying Asik is a terrible / useless player.  Of course he has strong aspects to his game and contribute to a team in ways beyond what his stats may show.

BUT the fact remains that he is a pure role player, and makes WAY too much money for what he offers.  Bringing in Asik at the $15M he's due next season would be equivalent to the Thunder signing Perkins to that $10M+ salary when they go him in the trade.  If not for Perk, they might have had the cap space to keep Harden...and tha twould have completely changed their team dynamic.  Now they are somewhat crippled because they are paying 'good starter' money to a guy who is nothing more than a role player.

If Boston gets Asik at $15M they are playing All-Star money for a guy who is an overglorified role player and barely good enough to be a starting center.  The idea of getting Love and then brigning in a third star in addition to Asik isn't an option, because with Rondo/Love/Asik Boston would have no cap space to sign another star.

He's not the third in the big 3, but he is a very good player that will make our team better. If we are going to have a third great player, it will probably come later on when we have cap space or by using the picks we have left.

You talk about signing Asik as if there is no Salary cap in the NBA.  "Who cares if he's due $15M, he can defend and rebound and will help the team!".  Fact is that he woudl take up almost 1/3 of Boston's salary cap, and in no world/universe/galaxy/dimension is Asik good enough to justify that type of financial commitment.  With Asik on this team, there would be no cap space...and there would been third great player.

Asik makes $15 million, but his cap hit is only $8.4m.  Wyk Grousbeck may care about that, but fans and Danny Ainge don't.  That's 13% of the cap, not 33% as you said.  That's well worth it for a center who plays good defense and rebounds well despite limited offensive ability.

[BballTim]

I think he can average a solid 8, 10 and 1, but that isn't third option numbers.

Well, there's your problem. You're looking at the numbers, not the impact. He's one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.

You don't win in the NBA by limiting the amount of points your opponent is scoring.  You win in the NBA by ensuring your opponent scores less than you.

See, having a big man who can potentially hold Demarcus Cousins to 14 points might seem impressive...until you realise that your own big man only scored 6.

That's why investing in Asik as your 3rd or 4th highest paid player is a big no-no.  Unless the rest of your team is dominant enough offensively to negate his offensive limitations (which Boston's certainly are not) this approach just won't work.  Yes Boston wen't far with Kendrick Perkins as a starting center - but Boston also had Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in their starting lineup.  Now they have Avery Bradley, Jeff Green and Jarred Sullinger.  Big difference.

  The one season Asik was a full time starter he averaged 10 ppg with a good fg% and his team's defense was about 7 ppg better when he played than when he was on the bench.

[BballTim]

This thread.

Omer Asik at his very best is a great role player. Even a solid sixth man (in the form of a big man who rebounds), but nothing beyond that. Him being the third star in a Big 3 is out of question.

I'd imagine a perfect lineup (or at least a great one) being as follows: Rondo-Someone who can shoot-Carmelo-Love-Asik, where Asik is your solid big man who is underrated, but actually helps the team in big ways.

Of course, that is if we can get Love and Carmelo.

My lord, somebody who actually understands!

As mentioned above I'm not by any means saying Asik is a terrible / useless player.  Of course he has strong aspects to his game and contribute to a team in ways beyond what his stats may show.

BUT the fact remains that he is a pure role player, and makes WAY too much money for what he offers.  Bringing in Asik at the $15M he's due next season would be equivalent to the Thunder signing Perkins to that $10M+ salary when they go him in the trade.  If not for Perk, they might have had the cap space to keep Harden...and tha twould have completely changed their team dynamic.  Now they are somewhat crippled because they are paying 'good starter' money to a guy who is nothing more than a role player.

If Boston gets Asik at $15M they are playing All-Star money for a guy who is an overglorified role player and barely good enough to be a starting center.  The idea of getting Love and then brigning in a third star in addition to Asik isn't an option, because with Rondo/Love/Asik Boston would have no cap space to sign another star.

He's not the third in the big 3, but he is a very good player that will make our team better. If we are going to have a third great player, it will probably come later on when we have cap space or by using the picks we have left.

You talk about signing Asik as if there is no Salary cap in the NBA.  "Who cares if he's due $15M, he can defend and rebound and will help the team!".  Fact is that he woudl take up almost 1/3 of Boston's salary cap, and in no world/universe/galaxy/dimension is Asik good enough to justify that type of financial commitment.  With Asik on this team, there would be no cap space...and there would been third great player.

Asik makes $15 million, but his cap hit is only $8.4m.  Wyk Grousbeck may care about that, but fans and Danny Ainge don't.  That's 13% of the cap, not 33% as you said.  That's well worth it for a center who plays good defense and rebounds well despite limited offensive ability.

  I'd guess Danny does because he has to operate within a budget.

[SHAQATTACK]

True he isn't a Star ....BUT he is a move in the right direction till a Star center can be had .

Key is .....he is better than an Center we've had in a long long time , I don't consider KG a center.

Asik can be traded too.

Gortat has a good work ethic.

Hibbert might want to prove himself somewhere else, start over.


I'll take Asik .....until Marc Gasol becomes available

[knuckleballer]

This thread.

Omer Asik at his very best is a great role player. Even a solid sixth man (in the form of a big man who rebounds), but nothing beyond that. Him being the third star in a Big 3 is out of question.

I'd imagine a perfect lineup (or at least a great one) being as follows: Rondo-Someone who can shoot-Carmelo-Love-Asik, where Asik is your solid big man who is underrated, but actually helps the team in big ways.

Of course, that is if we can get Love and Carmelo.

My lord, somebody who actually understands!

As mentioned above I'm not by any means saying Asik is a terrible / useless player.  Of course he has strong aspects to his game and contribute to a team in ways beyond what his stats may show.

BUT the fact remains that he is a pure role player, and makes WAY too much money for what he offers.  Bringing in Asik at the $15M he's due next season would be equivalent to the Thunder signing Perkins to that $10M+ salary when they go him in the trade.  If not for Perk, they might have had the cap space to keep Harden...and tha twould have completely changed their team dynamic.  Now they are somewhat crippled because they are paying 'good starter' money to a guy who is nothing more than a role player.

If Boston gets Asik at $15M they are playing All-Star money for a guy who is an overglorified role player and barely good enough to be a starting center.  The idea of getting Love and then brigning in a third star in addition to Asik isn't an option, because with Rondo/Love/Asik Boston would have no cap space to sign another star.

He's not the third in the big 3, but he is a very good player that will make our team better. If we are going to have a third great player, it will probably come later on when we have cap space or by using the picks we have left.

You talk about signing Asik as if there is no Salary cap in the NBA.  "Who cares if he's due $15M, he can defend and rebound and will help the team!".  Fact is that he woudl take up almost 1/3 of Boston's salary cap, and in no world/universe/galaxy/dimension is Asik good enough to justify that type of financial commitment.  With Asik on this team, there would be no cap space...and there would been third great player.

Asik makes $15 million, but his cap hit is only $8.4m.  Wyk Grousbeck may care about that, but fans and Danny Ainge don't.  That's 13% of the cap, not 33% as you said.  That's well worth it for a center who plays good defense and rebounds well despite limited offensive ability.

  I'd guess Danny does because he has to operate within a budget.

But it's a flexible budget.  Wyc has been willing to spend well over the luxury tax threshold in the past and Asik's extra salary wont be taxed.  I doubt it would be an obstacle if they can build a competitive team.