Just going young

[celticpride1]

Enough of the K Love Asik  trade talk.Why is everybody so quick to want a one year rebuild? Trading away lots of draft picks for guys that can be gone within a year. Building this team will take longer I get that. You have good pieces in Sully Kelly and an average Jeff Green. Rondo if you can get great value for him take it and move onto a new chapter. We as Celtic fans have been spoiled with such great players over the years. Build this team for the future through the draft with the right picks. If we are in the lottery again next year its not the worst thing in the world. Next year 2 first rounders already and with the chance of a third with Philly in weak Eastern Conference. I will take my chances via the draft and keep my stash!!!!

[colincb]

Won't be spoiled if we go your way. Road to Perdition parte deux.

[Clench123]

Congrats.  You have the perfect recipe for another 20+ years of mediocrity.  With your suggestion, they might as well stick a fork in us and bury us. 

No one is talking one year rebuild (why is this a quick misconception around here when it comes to trading for Love?)  The chances of him resigning with us after a year in Boston, barring on Melo coming to town and us having Rondo, is great and legit.  This isn't the Lakers, so get that out of your mind. 

Danny WILL not stop after Love.  I feel this point should be hammered home to everyone against the Love trade.  We have one of the very best GM in the league (a very experienced one might I add), if I have the sense that the hardest I have to work is after I nail Love, Danny more than know this and has already chopped this up in ways you couldn't even begin to imagine.  Why would he risk picks and assets on just one year of service knowing that Love staying hinges on the possibility of another star coming to join him? 

And we have, more than any other team in the league, the room and the luxury to trade for at least two high caliber stars.  Why think we're just going to get Kevin Love and then stop working?

And the last point is there is absolutely no guarantees with building from scratch...NONE.  I would take my chances (every single time) with proven stars like Kevin Love and Melo than tediously and patiently wait and develop group of guys that may either end up leaving (that's the trend these days in the league) or end up being a bust.  It'll be very naive to think a Lebron or a Durant is in this years drafts.  As a matter of fact, going this route would only net us a lot of Roy Hilberts and Paul Georges (if we're even that lucky).  So this is a resounding NO from me.

[LooseCannon]

Enough of the K Love Asik  trade talk.Why is everybody so quick to want a one year rebuild?

I'm not in favor of a one-year rebuild for the sake of doing it quickly, I am in favor of going after specifically Kevin Love and Omer Asik because I believe it is a rare occasion to have a shot at acquiring a potential MVP and a potential DPOY while still having several draft picks left over to either use on young players or trade for more pieces.  I wouldn't be as excited about going after Carmelo Anthony and Marcin Gortat, who I consider to be inferior players.

[D.o.s.]

I don't know which is further out -- Asik as MVP or Love as DPOY.
 

Can the draft hurry up and get here already?

[Mazingerz]

I do agree with going young. But the team needs to have veteran leadership as well. I prefer we keep Rondo, and run, run, run. We now have a young team and a young coach who will both grow together.

[crimson_stallion]

Enough of the K Love Asik  trade talk.Why is everybody so quick to want a one year rebuild?

I'm not in favor of a one-year rebuild for the sake of doing it quickly, I am in favor of going after specifically Kevin Love and Omer Asik because I believe it is a rare occasion to have a shot at acquiring a potential MVP and a potential DPOY while still having several draft picks left over to either use on young players or trade for more pieces.  I wouldn't be as excited about going after Carmelo Anthony and Marcin Gortat, who I consider to be inferior players.

On no planet will Asik ever be a DPOTY.  Likewise Kevin Love will never be an MVP because he'll never be the best player on a contender.  His teams always lose, and players on losing teams don't win MVP awards.

[saltlover]

I mean, it obviously depends on the cost of Love.  If the cost is #6, Sully or Olynyk, and that's it, then I don't see how you don't do it.  Love is a better passer and 3-point shooter than Olynyk, and a better post-player and rebounder than Sullinger.  They all play power forward, which just happens to be the position of most of the likely draftees at #6.  Love is only 25 -- he still has his best years ahead of him in all likelihood.  He's a young star just beginning to enter his 5-7 year prime.  Heck, even if we have to give the lesser of our 2015 picks, I'm okay with that too.  The Celtics will be better off with Love, hands down.

Now, if you're talking a pick a year for three years, then it might be getting overpriced.  Or if some other team who wants to move up in the draft is willing to offer a great price to do so, I'd consider that alternative.  But the talent at the 6th slot is just duplicative with our best talent so as to not be as valuable to us.  Maybe it's a marginal upgrade, or maybe it's not, but it's inferior to the current version of Love in either case.  And if at the same time, you can add an interior defensive anchor like Asik at the cost of zero or minimal future assets, then you do that too, without blinking.  In my opinion, the Celtics should be able to acquire Love and Asik, keep one of Sullinger or Olynyk, and still have a 1st in this year's draft, next year's draft, and still have 5 firsts from 2016-2018.  That'll be more than enough youth, while actually having a solid foundation to integrate that youth into.  Unless some team comes in with a crazy offer for Love (such as #1 overall from Cleveland), it may be possible to have our cake and eat it too.

[crimson_stallion]

  I wouldn't be as excited about going after Carmelo Anthony and Marcin Gortat, who I consider to be inferior players.

To say Love is better than Melo is comical.  Take a look at their career averages and how may playoff games each has played.  Then come back and tell me again which one is inferior.

As a scorer and a winner Melo leaves Love in his dust.

"We are stuck in a 7 game series against Kevin Love"
- Said nobody EVER

[saltlover]

  I wouldn't be as excited about going after Carmelo Anthony and Marcin Gortat, who I consider to be inferior players.

To say Love is better than Melo is comical.  Take a look at their career averages and how may playoff games each has played.  Then come back and tell me again which one is inferior.

As a scorer and a winner Melo leaves Love in his dust.

"We are stuck in a 7 game series against Kevin Love"
- Said nobody EVER

Oh please.  David Kahn ran that Minnesota team into the ground.  Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn back-to-back in the same draft?  Derrick Williams at #2 overall?  Signing Darko to a 4-year, $20 million deal?  Amnestying Darko two years later to create room to sign the ghost of Brandon Roy to $5 million guaranteed and way more than that not guaranteed?  You know it's bad when trading for Michael Beasley actually looks like a good move by comparison.

Simply put, the Wolves were run like crap for the first five years of Love's career.  Is Love better than Melo?  That's debateable.  But is Love a loser because  he's never been to the playoffs?  No.  David Kahn is a loser because he had a budding star and couldn't figure out how to put a quality team around him despite having four top-6 picks in four years.  That's the lesson to be learned from Minnesota.

[SHAQATTACK]

Love stays healthy , then getting the third star will be easier ,....the pros know it takes three elites to contend generally....that gives you an advantage on the court most nights .

Love brings a lot to the table, star recognition, still young, fans, will generate fans,  will put the Celtics back on TV , keep the stands full.   All this Sully or KO do little of this at this point , they pretty much only matter to Boston fans.  Other stars aren't signing to play with Sully .   But KLove yes ....he has earned their respect .

If you are DA you go all out to get Love. 

Never know WHO might be the third guy to have interest in teaming with Rondo and Love.

It makes it easier to,sign a better Center .....

I d like to see Marc Gasol on the Celtics at Center.

[michael 26]

If we decide to wait and not act now we won't be in a good spot. If some good players won't be brought in we could easily lose Rondo. He doesn't have much patience anymore, he is almost 30! That's why we need to act fast and put together a team that will get deep into the playoffs next season or the one after that.

[byennie]

Holy cow, did someone just seriously promote Carmelo as an example of winning, because he's made the playoffs in Denver and New York surrounded by tons of money and talent?

Minnesota won more games than New York last year in a tougher conference, but I guess that doesn't count.

Denver back in the day with Iverson, Andre Miller, Camby, Nene, JR Smith, Najera, Boykins... you really think Love doesn't make the playoffs on that team?

[GreenWarrior]

Enough of the K Love Asik  trade talk.Why is everybody so quick to want a one year rebuild? Trading away lots of draft picks for guys that can be gone within a year. Building this team will take longer I get that. You have good pieces in Sully Kelly and an average Jeff Green. Rondo if you can get great value for him take it and move onto a new chapter. We as Celtic fans have been spoiled with such great players over the years. Build this team for the future through the draft with the right picks. If we are in the lottery again next year its not the worst thing in the world. Next year 2 first rounders already and with the chance of a third with Philly in weak Eastern Conference. I will take my chances via the draft and keep my stash!!!!

if you can accomplish the goal in 2 - 3 yrs why wouldn't you?

"going young" sounds good and I don't mind what we do. but young players are an unknown commodity on the NBA level. as good as a player is in college you just don't know how that translates to pro ball.

so we could be in the lottery for the next 3 yrs. trying to "go young". what happens if every player turns out to be a jeff green? a decent player but nothing special?

this is what happened to the clippers, Mil, char., etc. and 30 yrs. of being in the lottery finally paid off for the clippers. sure some of those teams have shot themselves in the foot but most of them were taking what the experts deemed a high lottery pick.

wouldn't you rather get players that you know exactly what you're getting? the answer to that is an emphatic YES! there should be no hesitation.

the reason why everyone thinks of "going young" as a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. is because we all get dreams of creating a dynasty and that's where mistakes are made. Dynasties happen through opportunistic luck, being in the right place at the right time. every team would love to get there but you can try for a lifetime and never have one. if Bledsoe doesn't get injured brady probably has an entirely different career and the patriots are probably still searching for a way to win a championship.   

[wdleehi]

There is going young and there is going young with a known talent.



The 2nd option is getting a player like Love.  He is young and a star. 



And please remember, the Celtics will never pick and keep all the 1st rounders they have.  They have already said it.  How often do you think a player worth trading those picks will be available in the next few years?