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Overthinking it?
« on: May 27, 2014, 11:33:22 PM »

Offline RIHoopz14

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First post here guys.  I feel that too many people are buying into "experts" mock drafts and assuming the Celtics are just gonna take one of the players ranked in the 4-9 range with their #6 pick.  I think that is unlikely to happen because, simply, none of those players fit our needs.  Yes, many of them are intriguing.  But if you watch alot of college basketball and Celtics, you know that our area of strength/depth is PF and our pick falls right in the midst of many talented PFs. 

The fact is, we need an athletic shot-blocking center and a go-to shooter/scorer who is preferably a 2/3 wing.   Jeff Green was our top scorer at 16.9 PPG which ranks #40 overall, and most teams have at least 1 or 2 guys averaging 20+ PPG.   Our top scorer doesn't even have a scoring mentality and his game is extremely predictable.  We also need a shot-blocking presence in the paint as Sully had to play out of position alot and KO just isn't athletic enough to compete with the best NBA centers.   Ainge also promised Sully that he'd get a center for next years team.  Right now I'm sure Ainge is gauging what each top 3 team is looking for in return for their pick, and also knows that next year's draft picks are more expendable because the talent level is nowhere near that in this years draft.  We have enough assets to get what we want, its just finding where the best value is.

Here's the 5 players i think we have the best chance of picking (yes we will try to trade up):

1)  Embiid -  This fit is just too perfect.  Everyone has seen the way Brad Stevens likes to run offense right?  He stretches the floor with bigs, creates mismatches, and takes advantage.  Any open shot he encourages you to take.   Embiid has a PURE stroke from distance and his athleticism and intangibles would fit into our system/team perfectly.  He is a shotblocker in the paint and makes anyone driving to the hoop think twice about it.  Youve seen the difference with Serge Ibaka in/out of OKC's lineup.  You simply can't find kids like this often.

2)  Wiggins - He fits the bill of an athletic 2/3 wing who can score (improving) and play solid D with length.   We need this type wing player because it allows us to play a small (rondo, bradley, wiggins, green, sully) lineup and a bigger lineup (rondo wiggins, green, sully, olynyk) while balancing offense/defense. 

3)  Parker -  He will provide instant scoring and has a solid IQ and polished game, I could definitely see him being a Celtic.  Although, it would bring up some interesting positional roster scenarios (i.e. share time w Green?)

4)  McDermott - Yup, I said it.  This kid is underrated simply because he's white and looks soft.  Think Tom Brady.   We're talking about a SHARP SHOOTER who has shot over 50% FG all 4 years and over 40% 3PT all 4 years.   His career average is 45.8% from 3PT,  that is INSANE.  He's one of the best scorers EVER in college basketball and his tremendous bball IQ, instincts, and knowing his role will allow him to succeed in the NBA; especially in a Brad Stevens offense.   We need scoring and he has shown CONSISTENTLY that he can provide.   How he fits into our current roster is a great question, but I don't think Ainge will be scared to pull the trigger on him if we remain at #6.  You've seen it in the our last 2 drafts with KO and Sully.... basketball skill out-trumps athletic ability every time.

5)  Stauskas - Here's another scorer who's confident and also a deadly shooter.  Hit fits our roster better than McDermott and would provide more flexibility at the guard position.  He excels in pick & roll offense and can also handle point duties better than bradley.  Has a deadly crossover and quick release on his shot.   I don't see us taking him as early as 6, but if we can't get any of the players above I woudln't be surprised if we moved down a couple of picks with him being our target.   I like the idea of getting more picks in this draft as there are some very talented players all the way throughout the 2nd round.


The one person I hope we don't take????  MARCUS SMART.   He's one of the most overrated players i've ever seen.   He's not an NBA caliber shooter and doesn't even have a true strength.  He's your typical combo guard who can never find a starting role on a team because his inability to shoot or dominate any aspect of the game.   It boggles my mind knowing some fans think we need another guard who cant shoot.  All I hear about Smart is "he brings toughness and has some strength for a guard at 6'3".   Listen, that doesn't mean Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. in the NBA.    I watch more college basketball than you probably think is possible and I legitimately would take some players who will go undrafted (i.e. Billy Baron) over Smart.

How's that for a first post  ;D

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2014, 11:44:03 PM »

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Pretty weak. How much you wanna bet we pick at six.

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2014, 11:52:36 PM »

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Your average combo guard doesn't weigh 230 and play like a football player. He'll be a favorite for rookie of the year.

And it's not that he can't shoot, it's that he has bad shot selection and shoots too many bad shots.

think about it, he is going to have 30 pounds on most opposing PGs, and he is going to go out of his way to physically punish them all game long. When he posts them up or backs them down into the post, it will be like Jeff Green guarding Sullinger.

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2014, 11:54:15 PM »

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Pretty weak. How much you wanna bet we pick at six.

Ouch!  His first post and you call it pretty weak.  :)

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2014, 11:55:08 PM »

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At least say why u think this is "pretty weak" dude, and yes we very well could stay at 6.  The fact u said we're taking randle in a thread u just started is laughable anyways, so your opinion is as good as my grandma's.  In what area will Randle improve our current roster when we're already logjammed at PF with Sully, Bass, Hump (if coming back), and KO (who plays like a stretch 4)?

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2014, 12:03:59 AM »

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Your average combo guard doesn't weigh 230 and play like a football player. He'll be a favorite for rookie of the year.

And it's not that he can't shoot, it's that he has bad shot selection and shoots too many bad shots.

think about it, he is going to have 30 pounds on most opposing PGs, and he is going to go out of his way to physically punish them all game long. When he posts them up or backs them down into the post, it will be like Jeff Green guarding Sullinger.

I respect your opinion, but the reality is the majority of guards are comparable in size to Smart and they won't be overwhelmed by him as much as he got away with it in college.  At his absolute best, he is a Dion Waiters in the league.

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2014, 12:06:29 AM »

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Your average combo guard doesn't weigh 230 and play like a football player. He'll be a favorite for rookie of the year.

And it's not that he can't shoot, it's that he has bad shot selection and shoots too many bad shots.

think about it, he is going to have 30 pounds on most opposing PGs, and he is going to go out of his way to physically punish them all game long. When he posts them up or backs them down into the post, it will be like Jeff Green guarding Sullinger.

I respect your opinion, but the reality is the majority of guards are comparable in size to Smart and they won't be overwhelmed by him as much as he got away with it in college.  At his absolute best, he is a Dion Waiters in the league.
Except with great defense, more competitiveness and stronger

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2014, 12:09:44 AM »

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Just messing with you o.p. apologies if offended. But we are in collect awesome asset phase and I think randle is an awesome asset. Do you think he could be better than sully. I really do. Kid is such a beast I think we are lucky if he slips to us then trade sully or randle are choice

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2014, 12:11:47 AM »

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Your average combo guard doesn't weigh 230 and play like a football player. He'll be a favorite for rookie of the year.

And it's not that he can't shoot, it's that he has bad shot selection and shoots too many bad shots.

think about it, he is going to have 30 pounds on most opposing PGs, and he is going to go out of his way to physically punish them all game long. When he posts them up or backs them down into the post, it will be like Jeff Green guarding Sullinger.

I respect your opinion, but the reality is the majority of guards are comparable in size to Smart and they won't be overwhelmed by him as much as he got away with it in college.  At his absolute best, he is a Dion Waiters in the league.
Except with great defense, more competitiveness and stronger

Smart has great leadership skills.  Some say he's a bit of a head case, but I think he's just very competitive.

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2014, 12:26:36 AM »

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"Smart has great leadership skills.  Some say he's a bit of a head case, but I think he's just very competitive."  This is the exact garbage I was talking about, did sportscenter happen to tell u this?  He is simply NOT what the celtics need.  If they get a guard he has to be able to knock down shots. If he can't do it in college, then he prob can't do it consistently in the nba

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2014, 12:34:16 AM »

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Your average combo guard doesn't weigh 230 and play like a football player. He'll be a favorite for rookie of the year.

And it's not that he can't shoot, it's that he has bad shot selection and shoots too many bad shots.

think about it, he is going to have 30 pounds on most opposing PGs, and he is going to go out of his way to physically punish them all game long. When he posts them up or backs them down into the post, it will be like Jeff Green guarding Sullinger.

I respect your opinion, but the reality is the majority of guards are comparable in size to Smart and they won't be overwhelmed by him as much as he got away with it in college.  At his absolute best, he is a Dion Waiters in the league.

You once again underestimate the size difference between Smart and almost all recent or all time comparisons. Even Waiters, one of the strongest guards, only weighs 215.

Smart is stronger and more powerful than DWade was when he bulked up as much as possible, and DWade couldn't handle that weight and still move easily. When Wade came out of Marquette he was like 205, with a clearly thinner bone structure than Smart. Smart is built like Mike Tyson, big boned. Having big bones like Smart allows him to carry more weight more easily than other guys who try to bulk up.

You're inclined to dismiss Smart's strength, but when you see him next to a guy like Deron Williams for the first time, it will all start making sense.

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2014, 12:34:56 AM »

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"Smart has great leadership skills.  Some say he's a bit of a head case, but I think he's just very competitive."  This is the exact garbage I was talking about, did sportscenter happen to tell u this?  He is simply NOT what the celtics need.  If they get a guard he has to be able to knock down shots. If he can't do it in college, then he prob can't do it consistently in the nba

He's a much better shooter than Rondo, albeit Rondo is a better ball handler and passer.  Wade is a hell of a player and he's not a great shooter.

Smart had to carry his team and took a lot of difficult three point shots.  Do remember how bad they were when he was suspended?  He can pass and get to the rim and score in a variety of ways.

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2014, 12:37:13 AM »

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"Smart has great leadership skills.  Some say he's a bit of a head case, but I think he's just very competitive."  This is the exact garbage I was talking about, did sportscenter happen to tell u this?  He is simply NOT what the celtics need.  If they get a guard he has to be able to knock down shots. If he can't do it in college, then he prob can't do it consistently in the nba

He can knock down shots. He just can't knock down contested fade-away 3s at high volume every game. He can knock down the open 3 much better than Rondo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUanqJO-ZHM
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 12:54:35 AM »

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Dream on

The pick will probably be used as trade asset.

And if not , by some slim chance DA drafts...the 6 th will be the highest. .....those crappy teams tanked on purpose to get top three pics ......you know they are giving up squat to help DA pick a top five.

That boat has sailed.....DA screwed up our tank .......so if he fails to make the Celtics better ...well tank again ...hopefully all the way to last place,

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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2014, 01:00:17 AM »

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Smart is the closest thing I've seen to Russell Westbrook and Dwayne Wade. If available at 6 and Love is a dream, he WILL be drafted by the Cs. Listen closely to Ainge's recent comments. He likes him a lot, a real lot. Can he shoot? He's no Stauskas or MacDermott, to be sure, but anyone who get to the rim like him, is so quick and strong, is able to pass well in a crowd, identify the perimeter shooters, and play tough on-the-ball and help defense doesn't have to be a great shooter to be a star. Because he's great athlete, he will learn to be a good mid range shooter at the least, and that's enough. Dwayne Wade took 13 3s all year and no one's complaining about it. He gives the Cs great protection at PG if Rondo bolts, and if he doesn't he will be the starting SG by 2015. Find a shooting wing at 17 -- there are some -- and trade for Asik, you will have a fun-to-watch competitive team next year plus enough high picks and cap room going forward to be in the championship hunt by 2017 worst case.