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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2014, 06:29:55 PM »

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Most Celtics fans are oblivious to KO's potential, which he showed steady flashes of just about every game after the all star break. He also seemed to do better every single game where he got extended minutes.

He has as much offensive potential as Jabari Parker. He's a 7 footer with great handles, and when he is aggressive he is unstoppable. Left hand, right hand, floater, fadeaway, KO has a full bag of tricks and he is working hard right now on his strength. At 7 feet with his moves, and his outside shot, very few can guard him adequately.

You left out his defensive abilities?  why?

Ok, Olynyk probably has more defensive potential than Jabari. Do you care to argue otherwise?

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2014, 06:32:09 PM »

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And Olynyk is a way, way better passer than Jabari.

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2014, 06:34:19 PM »

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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2014, 06:40:46 PM »

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The Celtics have their second pick at #17?  I predict he'd go 17th in this draft, then.
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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 06:43:35 PM »

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Its possible he might be a second round pick in this draft. Let's remember, we have to assume another year at Gonzaga and him coming out as a 5 year senior with little to no upside and needing to prove he could contribute right away. Guys like that with unproven professional games tend to slide and go late first and into the second round.

I am still not 100% convinced he didn't overachieve his last two months in Boston because, well, someone has to put up numbers on a bad team. Someone has to shoot. And let's be real. Teams weren't really guarding the Celtics with a lot of enthusiasm towards the end of the year because they knew they could simply outscore the Celtics to beat them because the Celtics offense was pathetic. KO's last couple months might just be the best basketball he ever plays in the NBA.

Not likely, not likely at all. 
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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 06:48:00 PM »

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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 06:50:45 PM »

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Most Celtics fans are oblivious to KO's potential, which he showed steady flashes of just about every game after the all star break. He also seemed to do better every single game where he got extended minutes.

He has as much offensive potential as Jabari Parker. He's a 7 footer with great handles, and when he is aggressive he is unstoppable. Left hand, right hand, floater, fadeaway, KO has a full bag of tricks and he is working hard right now on his strength. At 7 feet with his moves, and his outside shot, very few can guard him adequately.

You left out his defensive abilities?  why?

Ok, Olynyk probably has more defensive potential than Jabari. Do you care to argue otherwise?

i would but since Im still trying to wrap my head around the fact that youre trying to argue that KO is a better prospect than Parker, I have a feeling it would a big waste of time.


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Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 07:01:25 PM »

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Its possible he might be a second round pick in this draft. Let's remember, we have to assume another year at Gonzaga and him coming out as a 5 year senior with little to no upside and needing to prove he could contribute right away. Guys like that with unproven professional games tend to slide and go late first and into the second round.

I am still not 100% convinced he didn't overachieve his last two months in Boston because, well, someone has to put up numbers on a bad team. Someone has to shoot. And let's be real. Teams weren't really guarding the Celtics with a lot of enthusiasm towards the end of the year because they knew they could simply outscore the Celtics to beat them because the Celtics offense was pathetic. KO's last couple months might just be the best basketball he ever plays in the NBA.

Not likely, not likely at all.
Want to explain why? I explained my theory about why he he might have had a successful last couple months. Players regress all the time. Let's take a look at some other 2nd team All-Rookie selections:

Tyler Zeller
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marshon Brooks
Wesley Johnson
Jonny Flynn
Jamario Moon
Adam Morrison
Luther Head
........ and so on.

I mean I know he showed more post All Star Game as compared to pre ASG but what makes it so likely that KO hasn't played his best basketball of his career already? I don't think my statement to be a surety but neither do I think its a given that he gets better overall as a player to what we saw as a whole last year.

He just might be a 20 MPG, 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG, average shooting role player for the rest of his career and never have a year as good as his last two months of the 2013-14 season(which have him more as a 13 PPG, 7RPG, 2 ASP very good shooting role playing semi-starter. I mean, let's face it he is not 19 or 20 but 23. I think its fair to say his upside is limited.

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 07:10:51 PM »

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Its possible he might be a second round pick in this draft. Let's remember, we have to assume another year at Gonzaga and him coming out as a 5 year senior with little to no upside and needing to prove he could contribute right away. Guys like that with unproven professional games tend to slide and go late first and into the second round.

I am still not 100% convinced he didn't overachieve his last two months in Boston because, well, someone has to put up numbers on a bad team. Someone has to shoot. And let's be real. Teams weren't really guarding the Celtics with a lot of enthusiasm towards the end of the year because they knew they could simply outscore the Celtics to beat them because the Celtics offense was pathetic. KO's last couple months might just be the best basketball he ever plays in the NBA.

Not likely, not likely at all.
Want to explain why? I explained my theory about why he he might have had a successful last couple months. Players regress all the time. Let's take a look at some other 2nd team All-Rookie selections:

Tyler Zeller
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marshon Brooks
Wesley Johnson
Jonny Flynn
Jamario Moon
Adam Morrison
Luther Head
........ and so on.

I mean I know he showed more post All Star Game as compared to pre ASG but what makes it so likely that KO hasn't played his best basketball of his career already? I don't think my statement to be a surety but neither do I think its a given that he gets better overall as a player to what we saw as a whole last year.

He just might be a 20 MPG, 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG, average shooting role player for the rest of his career and never have a year as good as his last two months of the 2013-14 season(which have him more as a 13 PPG, 7RPG, 2 ASP very good shooting role playing semi-starter. I mean, let's face it he is not 19 or 20 but 23. I think its fair to say his upside is limited.


I'd just like to highlight Marshon Brooks in this post because after he spent half of a season posting good stats on a bad team people were on here BLASTING Danny Ainge bc we traded away Brooks.

Theres just something to be said about stats that were put in the 2nd half of a season on a terrible team playing against defenders who would 'probably put more effort into contesting that shot if this game meant something.'
Greg

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2014, 07:11:44 PM »

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i'd trade the pick for someone who isn't a stiff.

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2014, 07:17:27 PM »

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Without the benefit of hindsight, 20-25.

I can remember at the time being pretty fed up we didn't draft Dennis Schroder. Just as well we didn't.

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2014, 07:23:19 PM »

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Its possible he might be a second round pick in this draft. Let's remember, we have to assume another year at Gonzaga and him coming out as a 5 year senior with little to no upside and needing to prove he could contribute right away. Guys like that with unproven professional games tend to slide and go late first and into the second round.

I am still not 100% convinced he didn't overachieve his last two months in Boston because, well, someone has to put up numbers on a bad team. Someone has to shoot. And let's be real. Teams weren't really guarding the Celtics with a lot of enthusiasm towards the end of the year because they knew they could simply outscore the Celtics to beat them because the Celtics offense was pathetic. KO's last couple months might just be the best basketball he ever plays in the NBA.

Not likely, not likely at all.
Want to explain why? I explained my theory about why he he might have had a successful last couple months. Players regress all the time. Let's take a look at some other 2nd team All-Rookie selections:

Tyler Zeller
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marshon Brooks
Wesley Johnson
Jonny Flynn
Jamario Moon
Adam Morrison
Luther Head
........ and so on.

I mean I know he showed more post All Star Game as compared to pre ASG but what makes it so likely that KO hasn't played his best basketball of his career already? I don't think my statement to be a surety but neither do I think its a given that he gets better overall as a player to what we saw as a whole last year.

He just might be a 20 MPG, 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG, average shooting role player for the rest of his career and never have a year as good as his last two months of the 2013-14 season(which have him more as a 13 PPG, 7RPG, 2 ASP very good shooting role playing semi-starter. I mean, let's face it he is not 19 or 20 but 23. I think its fair to say his upside is limited.
One thing that I think is in KO's favor is that he is already super skilled.  He doesn't need to improve his skills as much as stay confident and learn to apply the skills to the games.  Defense is another matter, however.

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2014, 07:23:48 PM »

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Its possible he might be a second round pick in this draft. Let's remember, we have to assume another year at Gonzaga and him coming out as a 5 year senior with little to no upside and needing to prove he could contribute right away. Guys like that with unproven professional games tend to slide and go late first and into the second round.

I am still not 100% convinced he didn't overachieve his last two months in Boston because, well, someone has to put up numbers on a bad team. Someone has to shoot. And let's be real. Teams weren't really guarding the Celtics with a lot of enthusiasm towards the end of the year because they knew they could simply outscore the Celtics to beat them because the Celtics offense was pathetic. KO's last couple months might just be the best basketball he ever plays in the NBA.

Not likely, not likely at all.
Want to explain why? I explained my theory about why he he might have had a successful last couple months. Players regress all the time. Let's take a look at some other 2nd team All-Rookie selections:

Tyler Zeller
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marshon Brooks
Wesley Johnson
Jonny Flynn
Jamario Moon
Adam Morrison
Luther Head
........ and so on.

I mean I know he showed more post All Star Game as compared to pre ASG but what makes it so likely that KO hasn't played his best basketball of his career already? I don't think my statement to be a surety but neither do I think its a given that he gets better overall as a player to what we saw as a whole last year.

He just might be a 20 MPG, 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG, average shooting role player for the rest of his career and never have a year as good as his last two months of the 2013-14 season(which have him more as a 13 PPG, 7RPG, 2 ASP very good shooting role playing semi-starter. I mean, let's face it he is not 19 or 20 but 23. I think its fair to say his upside is limited.

Sure, putting up decent numbers in ones rookie season isn't a guarantee that the player will keep improving, but more often than not, players do improve on their rookie numbers.

I see a very skilled big who can shoot from outside, put the ball on the floor, run the floor and finish, pass the ball, and is crafty around the basket.  He's not a great athlete by NBA standards, but there are plenty of big men who aren't necessarily high risers who manage to have very successful NBA careers. 

I like what I've seen so far, and I expect him to keep improving.  Like you, I don't guarantee anything, but I think he's well worth keeping around to see what he can do moving forward.  I think we've got a real steal.  Time will tell. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: If Kelly Olynyk was in the 2014 Draft, Where would you take him?
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2014, 07:27:24 PM »

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Its possible he might be a second round pick in this draft. Let's remember, we have to assume another year at Gonzaga and him coming out as a 5 year senior with little to no upside and needing to prove he could contribute right away. Guys like that with unproven professional games tend to slide and go late first and into the second round.

I am still not 100% convinced he didn't overachieve his last two months in Boston because, well, someone has to put up numbers on a bad team. Someone has to shoot. And let's be real. Teams weren't really guarding the Celtics with a lot of enthusiasm towards the end of the year because they knew they could simply outscore the Celtics to beat them because the Celtics offense was pathetic. KO's last couple months might just be the best basketball he ever plays in the NBA.

Not likely, not likely at all.
Want to explain why? I explained my theory about why he he might have had a successful last couple months. Players regress all the time. Let's take a look at some other 2nd team All-Rookie selections:

Tyler Zeller
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marshon Brooks
Wesley Johnson
Jonny Flynn
Jamario Moon
Adam Morrison
Luther Head
........ and so on.

I mean I know he showed more post All Star Game as compared to pre ASG but what makes it so likely that KO hasn't played his best basketball of his career already? I don't think my statement to be a surety but neither do I think its a given that he gets better overall as a player to what we saw as a whole last year.

He just might be a 20 MPG, 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG, average shooting role player for the rest of his career and never have a year as good as his last two months of the 2013-14 season(which have him more as a 13 PPG, 7RPG, 2 ASP very good shooting role playing semi-starter. I mean, let's face it he is not 19 or 20 but 23. I think its fair to say his upside is limited.

Of course anything can happen, but here are a few reasons that the last two months of his rookie season may not turn out to be the best basketball of his career:

1. Past history is the best predictor of future performance.  Regardless of the many examples  of players who regress after Year 1, most players perform about as well as their previous year unless they are injured or old.  And, most players make progress from 23 to 28 especially when their performance as a 23yo was not a one-game/one-week anomoly.  Yes, there are plenty of exceptions.

2. Between Year 1 and Year 2 is a good time for strengthening/conditioning.  This is something that KO needs desperately and could make a huge difference in his performance in the NBA.  If he comes back stonger, we'll see many more opportunities for KO to score inside.  Playing minutes alongside Sully or Love will help as well.

3. As a 3rd offensive option on a decent team, KO should get good looks.  You are probably correct that teams did not exert defensive intensity against this weak C's team resulting in KO capitaizing. But if the C's add some offensive firepower and KO is a 3rd/4th option, his scoring opportunities will be there.  Chris Bosh is a better offensive player than KO will probably ever be, but it's hard to deny that he benefits both inside and outside from having LBJ, DW and RA on the floor.  I definitely think KO can be a 13/7 guy on good team.