Kings willing to trade #8 and more for Love

[indeedproceed]

Honestly with these workouts happening, gm's like Danny might get reluctant to give up the 6th even for love.

If any of the top 6 or 7 becoming really good and Love doesn't resign, Ainge will be ridiculed for a long time.

I don't believe for a second that this is true. Kevin Love is in the tier below LeBron and Durant, with Howard, Aldridge, Paul, YES I SAID CHRIS PAUL, okay maybe not Chris Paul but Melo, whomever. If they're not named LeBron, Durant, Anthony Davis, or Chris Paul, there really isn't a guy in the league I think is head and shoulders above Kevin Love. Davis because of his potential future.

In any case Danny is not keeping A-A-Ron Gordon or anyone potentially going 6th back if it means acquiring Love or not.

Not that Danny will overpay, but just saying, Danny's not gonna hangup because Minnesota has the audacity to require the 6th be involved in any trade negotiations.

How r you certain randle, smart or gordon wont be as good or on par with love?

Also if he is so good as you say why has he not made the playoffs since being drafted?

Love hasn't made the playoffs because he's got terrible teammates, an inept front office, an suffered some untimely injuries, and plays in the West.

I know none of those guys will be as good as Love, because I've watched Love play quite a bit, I've read the breakdowns of his game, and I've looked at the statistics and know what they mean. I've read all the scouting reports on the guys in the range of the 6th spot. Love's skill level at the 4 is unparalleled in the league. Nobody at the 4 can do what he does.

Aaron Gordon and Dario Saric probably have the highest 'on paper' ceiling based on what they've shown so far, but Saric's position and athleticism and ability to defend the 3 or hit a 3 remain a huge concern, and Gordon's shooting and scoring acumen are as well much in question.

Kevin Love can score from basically anywhere within 5 ft beyond the 3pt line. He's the best passer from the 4 in the league, and the best outlet passer in the league. He's an elite rebounder. Nobody in this draft can offer that. Nobody in the NBA can offer that .

[Adelaide Celt]

Sequel to the Chris Paul saga, the K-Love story. Probably with a similar ending.

[Eddie20]

Honestly with these workouts happening, gm's like Danny might get reluctant to give up the 6th even for love.

If any of the top 6 or 7 becoming really good and Love doesn't resign, Ainge will be ridiculed for a long time.

I don't believe for a second that this is true. Kevin Love is in the tier below LeBron and Durant, with Howard, Aldridge, Paul, YES I SAID CHRIS PAUL, okay maybe not Chris Paul but Melo, whomever. If they're not named LeBron, Durant, Anthony Davis, or Chris Paul, there really isn't a guy in the league I think is head and shoulders above Kevin Love. Davis because of his potential future.

In any case Danny is not keeping A-A-Ron Gordon or anyone potentially going 6th back if it means acquiring Love or not.

Not that Danny will overpay, but just saying, Danny's not gonna hangup because Minnesota has the audacity to require the 6th be involved in any trade negotiations.

How r you certain randle, smart or gordon wont be as good or on par with love?

Also if he is so good as you say why has he not made the playoffs since being drafted?

Love hasn't made the playoffs because he's got terrible teammates, an inept front office, an suffered some untimely injuries, and plays in the West.

I know none of those guys will be as good as Love, because I've watched Love play quite a bit, I've read the breakdowns of his game, and I've looked at the statistics and know what they mean. I've read all the scouting reports on the guys in the range of the 6th spot. Love's skill level at the 4 is unparalleled in the league. Nobody at the 4 can do what he does.

Aaron Gordon and Dario Saric probably have the highest 'on paper' ceiling based on what they've shown so far, but Saric's position and athleticism and ability to defend the 3 or hit a 3 remain a huge concern, and Gordon's shooting and scoring acumen are as well much in question.

Kevin Love can score from basically anywhere within 5 ft beyond the 3pt line. He's the best passer from the 4 in the league, and the best outlet passer in the league. He's an elite rebounder. Nobody in this draft can offer that. Nobody in the NBA can offer that .

Agree with pretty much everything you said, especially Love's ability to rebound and throw the outlet pass (that's such an invaluable part of transition offense). I will say that Smart has tremendous potential, Love type potential in being one of the top players at his position. He has great size for the PG spot and I think it's that size, coupled with his athleticism, that will make him a very tough guard in the NBA. Especially with his ability to get to the rim and how much more of a wide open game the NBA is compared to college. He also brings it on the defensive end and has that drive to continue to improve.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

If I had to bank on who's firsts would end up being better it would have to be Kings in a landslide and only one of the reasons is the conference they play in. We have our picks and/or BKN's against Kings picks, be honest which team is potentially worse with KLove? Tell me how Celtics don't have an easier road (organization) to make the most out of having Love.

Give me 2 future Kings first rounders over Celtics/BKN 2 future firsts any day of the week even if our picks bring Sully with them... Kings could still be bad enough to land you a shot at top picks while with Love, I don't see how we miss the playoffs in the east and BKN has the pockets to at least keep them in the playoffs too.

Nets are easily in the worst position. Williams is 30 coming off double ankle surgery, Johnson is 33, and Lopez has those foot ailments. They have no ability to improve via the draft since they traded most of their picks, and have little on the team as far as youth movement goes. They may be willing to spend, but this isn't baseball and fortunately the rules prohibit them from just lavishly spending on free agents.

The Kings would have Love and Cousins. To me, that's easily a playoff team. Whether it's an 8th seed or not.

How is that easily an 8th seed, Love cant defend and Cousins can't help that b.c he isn't all that good himself. Cousins still has to mature. I'm not overly impressed with anyone else they have and acquiring Love is going to eat up a lot of assets.

BKN doesn't have to have a team full of big names, they are in the east, get them a couple guys and they have an easier road than the Kings to making the playoffs.

I don't know why anyone would take our picks over the Kings after acquiring Love. I really don't see why you would. Don't just account for our players vs. theirs, think about the organizations/GMs. Which team is going to be the better FA destination after acquiring Love. I mean there are many factors that I would bet on, that makes me think we would be better with Love than the Kings.

If we are better than means our picks are worse.

[indeedproceed]

Actually I agree on Smart. Of all the guys, he's the one who looks like a natural born leader, and potential alpha-dog one day. It's a trite comparison now, but Russell Westbrook's 'screw you' game comes to mind. Smart has some of that, and he's a more skilled point.

[Celtics18]

I'd be willing to sell half the farm, but not the whole farm, for Love.  I'd put the number 6 pick, a future pick, Sully, and Bass on the table.  If that's not enough, well, then I guess Love goes elsewhere. 

[Eddie20]

If I had to bank on who's firsts would end up being better it would have to be Kings in a landslide and only one of the reasons is the conference they play in. We have our picks and/or BKN's against Kings picks, be honest which team is potentially worse with KLove? Tell me how Celtics don't have an easier road (organization) to make the most out of having Love.

Give me 2 future Kings first rounders over Celtics/BKN 2 future firsts any day of the week even if our picks bring Sully with them... Kings could still be bad enough to land you a shot at top picks while with Love, I don't see how we miss the playoffs in the east and BKN has the pockets to at least keep them in the playoffs too.

Nets are easily in the worst position. Williams is 30 coming off double ankle surgery, Johnson is 33, and Lopez has those foot ailments. They have no ability to improve via the draft since they traded most of their picks, and have little on the team as far as youth movement goes. They may be willing to spend, but this isn't baseball and fortunately the rules prohibit them from just lavishly spending on free agents.

The Kings would have Love and Cousins. To me, that's easily a playoff team. Whether it's an 8th seed or not.

How is that easily an 8th seed, Love cant defend and Cousins can't help that b.c he isn't all that good himself. Cousins still has to mature. I'm not overly impressed with anyone else they have and acquiring Love is going to eat up a lot of assets.

They also have Gay. I think you're underestimating Love and Cousins. They are arguably top 3 players at their positions right now. Love is also 25 and Cousins is 23, so they'll only improve.

BKN doesn't have to have a team full of big names, they are in the east, get them a couple guys and they have an easier road than the Kings to making the playoffs.

How do they get these players though? That's the problem. Let's not forget that the East will continue to improve. The top 4 picks (Embiid, Parker, Wiggins, Exum) will be going to up and coming teams Cavs, Bucks, Sixers, and Magic.

I don't know why anyone would take our picks over the Kings after acquiring Love. I really don't see why you would. Don't just account for our players vs. theirs, think about the organizations/GMs. Which team is going to be the better FA destination after acquiring Love. I mean there are many factors that I would bet on, that makes me think we would be better with Love than the Kings.

If we are better than means our picks are worse.

The Kings have a different ownership. Malone is a pretty good coach. Again, they would have Cousins and Love. Those picks won't be as high as the Brooklyn ones.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I forgot to say, for our benefit, I hope BKN does fall to pieces... I'm not praying but I'm doing everything else I can think of short of that.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

If I had to bank on who's firsts would end up being better it would have to be Kings in a landslide and only one of the reasons is the conference they play in. We have our picks and/or BKN's against Kings picks, be honest which team is potentially worse with KLove? Tell me how Celtics don't have an easier road (organization) to make the most out of having Love.

Give me 2 future Kings first rounders over Celtics/BKN 2 future firsts any day of the week even if our picks bring Sully with them... Kings could still be bad enough to land you a shot at top picks while with Love, I don't see how we miss the playoffs in the east and BKN has the pockets to at least keep them in the playoffs too.

Nets are easily in the worst position. Williams is 30 coming off double ankle surgery, Johnson is 33, and Lopez has those foot ailments. They have no ability to improve via the draft since they traded most of their picks, and have little on the team as far as youth movement goes. They may be willing to spend, but this isn't baseball and fortunately the rules prohibit them from just lavishly spending on free agents.

The Kings would have Love and Cousins. To me, that's easily a playoff team. Whether it's an 8th seed or not.

How is that easily an 8th seed, Love cant defend and Cousins can't help that b.c he isn't all that good himself. Cousins still has to mature. I'm not overly impressed with anyone else they have and acquiring Love is going to eat up a lot of assets.

They also have Gay. I think you're underestimating Love and Cousins. They are arguably top 3 players at their positions right now. Love is also 25 and Cousins is 23, so they'll only improve.

BKN doesn't have to have a team full of big names, they are in the east, get them a couple guys and they have an easier road than the Kings to making the playoffs.

How do they get these players though? That's the problem. Let's not forget that the East will continue to improve. The top 4 picks (Embiid, Parker, Wiggins, Exum) will be going to up and coming teams Cavs, Bucks, Sixers, and Magic.

I don't know why anyone would take our picks over the Kings after acquiring Love. I really don't see why you would. Don't just account for our players vs. theirs, think about the organizations/GMs. Which team is going to be the better FA destination after acquiring Love. I mean there are many factors that I would bet on, that makes me think we would be better with Love than the Kings.

If we are better than means our picks are worse.

The Kings have a different ownership. Malone is a pretty good coach. Again, they would have Cousins and Love. Those picks won't be as high as the Brooklyn ones.

BKN can get a lot of assets/players from the guys they already have and there is also FA (it's NY).

If it's our own picks, do you not agree that on paper we have the potential in this conference to have a better shot with Love at making the playoffs than the Kings??

I'm not saying they can't make the playoffs with Love, I'm saying if we were betting right now who was more likely to send off the eventual better picks after picking up Love, I take Kings picks. 

[colincb]

Sacramento has virtually nothing to trade. Best offer is Jet, Reggie Evans, and Mclemore since all are effectively expiring next season (2016 team option on Mclemore). Cap to Minnesota for 1 year = $10.2M.

Cs can send as little as Bass and nonguaranteed contracts for Bogans and Johnson. Cap hit for 1 year = $6.5 Million. Advantage Cs. Cs talent is better than the Kings package too even without Sullinger. Throw Sully into the deal to quiet the resident McLemore fans at CBlog and it would still cost TWolves less money.

Kings can send say 3 first rounders. #8 this year and two non-consecutive future firsts to adhere to the Stepien Rule per #86 at CBAFaq.com. Kings 2015 has already been dealt away, so the two best picks would be would be 2017 and 2019.

Boston can send #6 and #17 this year and a future first from 2015. Big advantage Cs.

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This is similar to the Knicks' claim that they would pursue Love.  It's meant to placate long suffering fans, but it has little substance.

[Kane3387]

Can the kings trade future picks? They owe a future first to Chicago via Cleveland from the deng trade. Don't think they can trade future firsts until that is satisfied.

[indeedproceed]

Can the kings trade future picks? They owe a future first to Chicago via Cleveland from the deng trade. Don't think they can trade future firsts until that is satisfied.

It depends on the language on the trade. A good example:

TEAM A owes team B their 2015 1st, lottery protected for 2 yrs then only top-3 protected
TEAM A can trade their 2017 first to TEAM C as long as in the language it states, '2 yrs after fulfillment to TEAM B is fulfilled..

[LooseCannon]

I'd be willing to sell half the farm, but not the whole farm, for Love.  I'd put the number 6 pick, a future pick, Sully, and Bass on the table.  If that's not enough, well, then I guess Love goes elsewhere.

If he doesn't do an extend-and-trade, I think the appropriate price for Love is something that would be an overpay if he left after a year but a bargain if he ended up re-signing for four years.

[LarBrd33]

Well if they give up #8 and McLemore without the assurance that Love re-signs, that's pretty significant. 

I think most teams have offers that are contingent on Love re-signing... and as much as they keep saying it's not the case, Love's agent will probably leverage his client to the team he wants to play for:  The Lakers

[Irish Stew]

I read that short article on the Kings and nowhere does it indicate that they are willing to add more picks to the 8th pick. It just says a combination of the 8th pick and players. If someone has information to the contrary, that might change things but I really don't think so. They are so limited by the Stepien Rule that beating what the Celtics can offer would be impossible. The only threats to the Celtics would be reckless offers by the Cavs or Sixers without an extension guarantee and they would be risking so much more than the Kings (Wiggins, Parker or Embiid). If this were a horse race I would not trade our position at the half mile pole with any other team. I still expect Love to be a Celtic.