Markel Brown an option at 17 ?

[Tr1boy]

Anybody else like brown?? Explosive 6'3.5 guard with a 6'9 wingspan. Imo he is like a better Avery Bradley.  Not a pure pg but has decent handles and passing skills(reports have it he did a nice job running the pt when smart was suspended for 3 games). Good shooter that can get hot. Excellent rebounding and shot blocking skills for a guard. And of course those jaw dropping dunks will fire up any team.

If danny liked bradley he should really like brown.  Brown could be the player Danny thought AB would become.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR907Kn2PT8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x87pHZpGRuc

[clover]

Yeah, I like Brown, and I like him in that interview. Seems pretty self-aware, humble but confident in his strengths.

Okay, he's a tad short for the 2, but he's a leaper with a great wingspan, he's improved every year, and he seems to take pride in his defense.

If they end up taking an 18yo at 6, getting a level-headed 22yo at 17 could be a relief.

[CFAN38]

Really high on brown but he isn't worth the #17 and will never be the player AB is. AB is only 1/2 a year older and was averaging 15ppg in the NBA, brown was averaging 17ppg in ncaa. With that said I would love him as a early 2nd rd pick and think he will have a long career as an energy wing off the bench.

[bball_numberguy]

There are a number of players I'd rather have then Brown at 17.  I think that trading down and getting Brown toward the end of the first would be easier to stomach than grabbing him with the 17. 

If the Celtics are looking for a more "seasoned" draft pick at 17 I'd prefer Cleanthony Early.  He measured 6'6" 210lbs at just 4.5% body fat.  His athletic measurements also stand out, an almost 6' 11" wing span and a 40 inch max vert.  I absolutely love his jump shot, he shot 84% and  37.5% on FT's and 3's respectively.  I believe he is one of those guys who is going to slip due to age and really make everyone look dumb a few years down the line when he's an above average regular. 

[saltlover]

He was the most surprising name on Danny's interview list to me, so I think the Celtics are definitely considering him.  That said, at #17, I think there will be better talent available.  If we acquire an early 2nd, he could be one of the options.  He's a 3&D guy who will give you a monster dunk on the fast break or alley-oop.  As noted, however, he's smallish.  A useful guy on the roster, but his ceiling and floor aren't too far away from each other.

Suppose your top 10 is the big 4, Smart, Randle, Gordon, Vonleh, McDermott, and Saric in some order.  That means at 11-17, you've got guys like Gary Harris, Nik Stauskas, James Young, KJ McDaniels, TJ Warren, Tyler Ennis, and Jusuf Nurkic.  At least one of them will be available, and probably more than one, since invariably people rise during the process (like Zach Levine and Elfrid Payton, both of whom I personally like).  Anyway, I'd like all of those players much more than I'd like Markel Brown.  Most of them are wings like Brown.  And at least one of them will be available at 17.

[Tr1boy]

Really high on brown but he isn't worth the #17 and will never be the player AB is. AB is only 1/2 a year older and was averaging 15ppg in the NBA, brown was averaging 17ppg in ncaa. With that said I would love him as a early 2nd rd pick and think he will have a long career as an energy wing off the bench.

Brown has more tools and skills than AB. AB might be a slightly better defender but thats about it imo. AB is one  trick pony in the offensive end

[Tr1boy]

He was the most surprising name on Danny's interview list to me, so I think the Celtics are definitely considering him.  That said, at #17, I think there will be better talent available.  If we acquire an early 2nd, he could be one of the options.  He's a 3&D guy who will give you a monster dunk on the fast break or alley-oop.  As noted, however, he's smallish.  A useful guy on the roster, but his ceiling and floor aren't too far away from each other.

Suppose your top 10 is the big 4, Smart, Randle, Gordon, Vonleh, McDermott, and Saric in some order.  That means at 11-17, you've got guys like Gary Harris, Nik Stauskas, James Young, KJ McDaniels, TJ Warren, Tyler Ennis, and Jusuf Nurkic.  At least one of them will be available, and probably more than one, since invariably people rise during the process (like Zach Levine and Elfrid Payton, both of whom I personally like).  Anyway, I'd like all of those players much more than I'd like Markel Brown.  Most of them are wings like Brown.  And at least one of them will be available at 17.

I like those players too. But brown is more nba ready and is a 2 way player. Brown also unlike AB can play some point imo.  He hasnt had much of a chance bc of smart but looks capable. In the nba could be a valuable role player, defensive specialist, energy guy, backup pg.  Even able to start one day. He will have more space in the nba

Not saying lets go with brown but I would consider him even at 17 or trade down a little to get him bc he wont be avail in the 2nd round imo

[saltlover]

Really high on brown but he isn't worth the #17 and will never be the player AB is. AB is only 1/2 a year older and was averaging 15ppg in the NBA, brown was averaging 17ppg in ncaa. With that said I would love him as a early 2nd rd pick and think he will have a long career as an energy wing off the bench.

Brown has more tools and skills than AB. AB might be a slightly better defender but thats about it imo. AB is one  trick pony in the offensive end

No, he doesn't.  Neither of them will create shots at the NBA level.  Simple as that.  Neither should be a point guard.  Brown might dunk more, which is entertaining, but Bradley plays better defense, which is useful.  Maybe Brown would be healthier, but as a guy who will have to run and jump a lot to make up for his lack of size, like Bradley, he could easily run into the chronic sprained ankles Bradley has.

I'm not saying Brown can't be a useful NBA player, but his skills are those of a role player, and at best he could be as functional as Bradley, and maybe have better health, but there's no guarantee on either.  Certainly he would be overdrafted at 17, since there will be players with the same size and more skills, or same skills and more size, at that point in the draft.

[Tr1boy]

Really high on brown but he isn't worth the #17 and will never be the player AB is. AB is only 1/2 a year older and was averaging 15ppg in the NBA, brown was averaging 17ppg in ncaa. With that said I would love him as a early 2nd rd pick and think he will have a long career as an energy wing off the bench.

Brown has more tools and skills than AB. AB might be a slightly better defender but thats about it imo. AB is one  trick pony in the offensive end

No, he doesn't.  Neither of them will create shots at the NBA level.  Simple as that.  Neither should be a point guard.  Brown might dunk more, which is entertaining, but Bradley plays better defense, which is useful.  Maybe Brown would be healthier, but as a guy who will have to run and jump a lot to make up for his lack of size, like Bradley, he could easily run into the chronic sprained ankles Bradley has.

I'm not saying Brown can't be a useful NBA player, but his skills are those of a role player, and at best he could be as functional as Bradley, and maybe have better health, but there's no guarantee on either.  Certainly he would be overdrafted at 17, since there will be players with the same size and more skills, or same skills and more size, at that point in the draft.

I do agree with some of your points above especially the last sentence.  But i don't agree Brown is as bad as AB in terms of not able to create his own shot.  Brown is a better ball handler that is able to break down his man one on one  and get to the basket (even though he didn't do it as much as he should of). This is something AB has not shown he is capable of doing. Brown also has the ability to drag several defenders and make passes depending who is free (a pg like skill). Again when was the last time AB did this?

Brown is more explosive also.   This is why i think Brown is a better version of AB. 

Bc he has been interviewed by Danny on May 16, there is definitely some interest, even if its small.  As we know danny natually likes these kind of players also

[snively]

Really high on brown but he isn't worth the #17 and will never be the player AB is. AB is only 1/2 a year older and was averaging 15ppg in the NBA, brown was averaging 17ppg in ncaa. With that said I would love him as a early 2nd rd pick and think he will have a long career as an energy wing off the bench.

Brown has more tools and skills than AB. AB might be a slightly better defender but thats about it imo. AB is one  trick pony in the offensive end

AB is a much, much, much better defender than Markel Brown.  Brown's got plenty of tools defensively, but he has none of AB's intensity.

I'd compare him more to Shannon Brown: freak athlete, a little undersized, some ball skills, some shooting ability, able defender.  A more disciplined, unselfish player than Shannon though and a little better at everything. I really like him.  #17 is too high when you've got enticing Euro bigs like Capela and that Latvian kid Porzingis, but if he's available in the 2nd round, he'd be a great buy.

[colincb]

This is a deep draft into the 20s.  Brown isn't in that group.  Based on the number of guys showing well in drills post-Combine, we're going to get someone very good at 17.

[Tr1boy]

This is a deep draft into the 20s.  Brown isn't in that group.  Based on the number of guys showing well in drills post-Combine, we're going to get someone very good at 17.

alot of decently offensively talented guys at 17 but they are also considered mediocre on the defensive end. Like Stauskus or Hood.

For me its not an easy choice to choose either of these guys vs someone like Brown. 

But yeah if someone like Payton is available at 17 i would choose him without a thought

[Tr1boy]

When comeparing Brown to AB ,  remember that Brown is a much better rebounder and shot blocker.  In the top 5 in this draft for the guard position

[colincb]

It's the rare rookie who won't struggle defensively in the NBA.  There are only a few guys that I'd write-off from picking because of defense and that's mostly because it's tough to see where they'd play. Kyle Anderson tops my list this season.

Payton supposedly looked very good in the 3 on 3 drills in LA this week, Gary Harris looked good too, though he was only ready to do non-contact drills, and he's a two-way guy. TJ Warren would be my pick today at 17 though and he was doing his thing in the 3 on 3s. The more I'm hearing the better I feel that we're going to get another player at 17 that would have been top 10 the last two drafts with upside.