Wolves instead trading for Rondo/Green trade idea

[Donoghus]

No thanks

Ditto.

This is a major step backwards.

[RLewis35]

To Wolves: Rondo, Green
To Celtics: Dieng, Muhammad, Mbah a Moute, Shved 13th pick

The reason Love is stating he won't resign is because he is tired of losing. He has never said he doesn't like the city , fans or the management. He is tired of not making the playoffs in the tough west.

So i can see Danny eager to workout a deal but the Wolves reluctant to give up their only star. The main the reason fans come to watch the team play.

I can see the Wolves GM in turn become desperate and try to add stars/help so that Love can change his mind.   Rubio for example is not getting the job done. So perhaps the Wolves GM makes a counter offer and asks Danny for Rondo and Green.  They can bring Rubio off the bench or trade him. It doesn't matter and they can't wait any longer
 
For the Celts you get a Center you desperately need. A young up and coming center that the Wolves can afford to lose bc they already have a starting center.  You get another good looking prospect in Muhammad, a couple of decent role players and a lotto pick.

On draft night you select Gordon , Ennis and Lavine who is raw but might turn out to become the steal of the draft.

Celtics Starting Lineup

C- Dieng/ Sullinger
PF - KO/Sullinger
SF - Gordon - 6th pick
SG- Muhammad
PG - Tyler Ennis - 13th pick

Bench

C- Iverson/Faverani
PF - Sullinger/Bass
SF -  Mbah a Moute/Wallace
SG - Sved/Johnson
PG - Pressey/Lavine - 17th pick

Wolves starting lineup
C- Pekovic
PF - Love
SF- Green
SG - Martin
PG - Rondo

If Wolves lineup is healthy, it should make the playoffs. Thats alot of offensive firepower

I think this situation is not expected but a possibility.

Flip, is that you?

[BballTim]

That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.

But why do you automatically think a team full of promising but young players will just stink in the long term? How have teams that dont model after the cHeaters become good??

Dieng was at one pt pulling down/avg 13 rebounds , 3 block shots a game. At times he reminded you of anthony davis at the defensive end bc of his athleticism, quickness and length. Also bc he still needs to bulk up

Muhammad scored a 20 pt game in the end of the year. Only 1 game but he looked good. I was surprised of how far he has progressed so far. Forgot that he had a ridiculous winspan for his size also.

   Teams that get good that aren't the Heat generally draft and keep star players. Who on that team qualifies? How much more talent is in that group than the Kings or the Jazz or the Pistons or Cavs?

you know why the King's stink is bc they rely on Cousins to carry the team. A guy who doesn't play hard from the start until the end of the game.    Jazz the same with Favors. Just streaky

Most of the these bottom 10 teams lack promising young players (the future) with motor, high iq, leadership and skills.   But they are given the most freedom on the court and mistakes are ignored (coaching problem also).

Teams like the hawks and the suns overachieved even though they don't have a cousins or favors bc they played solid team ball.    Having guys like Dieng, KO, Sully, Gordon, Ennis is a mature, good iq, hard working, skilled group that would have a promising future imo

  First of all those teams (Hawks and Suns) have very solid veteran players. Secondly, the current level of those teams is probably the max you'll get out of the group you've selected.

[Tr1boy]

That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.

But why do you automatically think a team full of promising but young players will just stink in the long term? How have teams that dont model after the cHeaters become good??

Dieng was at one pt pulling down/avg 13 rebounds , 3 block shots a game. At times he reminded you of anthony davis at the defensive end bc of his athleticism, quickness and length. Also bc he still needs to bulk up

Muhammad scored a 20 pt game in the end of the year. Only 1 game but he looked good. I was surprised of how far he has progressed so far. Forgot that he had a ridiculous winspan for his size also.

   Teams that get good that aren't the Heat generally draft and keep star players. Who on that team qualifies? How much more talent is in that group than the Kings or the Jazz or the Pistons or Cavs?

you know why the King's stink is bc they rely on Cousins to carry the team. A guy who doesn't play hard from the start until the end of the game.    Jazz the same with Favors. Just streaky

Most of the these bottom 10 teams lack promising young players (the future) with motor, high iq, leadership and skills.   But they are given the most freedom on the court and mistakes are ignored (coaching problem also).

Teams like the hawks and the suns overachieved even though they don't have a cousins or favors bc they played solid team ball.    Having guys like Dieng, KO, Sully, Gordon, Ennis is a mature, good iq, hard working, skilled group that would have a promising future imo

  First of all those teams (Hawks and Suns) have very solid veteran players. Secondly, the current level of those teams is probably the max you'll get out of the group you've selected.

are you always about all or nothing?? you need to start somewhere and build. 
Look at a team like the Pacers, the Raptors should be a better team next year and the Suns with how well they played if they add one or two more pieces have an excellent chance to make the playoffs

[Tr1boy]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

[knuckleballer]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

Minnesota can't take that much salary back.

[Lucky17]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

How do you figure?

SAC pick > MIN pick
McLemore > Muhammad

Which leaves trading Green for Dieng and a future 2nd. That seems like a poor return, certainly not enough value to make up the difference in the SAC trade above.

Also, I don't think your scenario works under the CBA.

[BballTim]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

  I think the rumor was McLemore, Thomas and a pick or two. Danny's asking price for Rondo was reportedly a young star player and a couple of draft picks. I doubt he'll want to throw in Green as well for a worse offer.

[Tr1boy]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

How do you figure?

SAC pick > MIN pick
McLemore > Muhammad

Which leaves trading Green for Dieng and a future 2nd. That seems like a poor return, certainly not enough value to make up the difference in the SAC trade above.

Also, I don't think your scenario works under the CBA.

While for sure the Sac pick is better you can't say certain Mclemore is or will be better than Muhammad.   Plus it's a no brainer to take Dieng for Green. If you look at the deal as a whole , it's on par if not better than the Sac offer for Rondo alone imo

again

To Wolves: Rondo, Green
To Celtics: Dieng, Muhammad, Mbah a Moute, Shved, 13th pick, 2nd round pick

What we would be getting. The potential

20 point game by Muhammad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM_XlRcnP4Q

22 points, 21 rebounds and 4 assists monster game vs the Rockets by Dieng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbot-rwWnRc

[knuckleballer]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

How do you figure?

SAC pick > MIN pick
McLemore > Muhammad

Which leaves trading Green for Dieng and a future 2nd. That seems like a poor return, certainly not enough value to make up the difference in the SAC trade above.

Also, I don't think your scenario works under the CBA.

While for sure the Sac pick is better you can't say certain Mclemore is or will be better than Muhammad.   Plus it's a no brainer to take Dieng for Green. If you look at the deal as a whole , it's on par if not better than the Sac offer for Rondo alone imo

again

To Wolves: Rondo, Green
To Celtics: Dieng, Muhammad, Mbah a Moute, Shved, 13th pick, 2nd round pick

What we would be getting. The potential

20 point game by Muhammad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM_XlRcnP4Q

22 points, 21 rebounds and 4 assists monster game vs the Rockets by Dieng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbot-rwWnRc

That trade still doesn't pass the CBA.  The salary Minnesota receives can't be more than 25% of what they are sending out.  Green and Rondo make around $20m or so combined.  Minnesota would have to send out about $17m to make the trade work.

[Tr1boy]

another big game by Dieng.  This is the rim protection we need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4HWSAtEVc

[Tr1boy]

nobody else sees a scenerio the Wolves gm saying no to the package (assumption 6th pick, 2016 1st, sully) but  instead making a counter offer of Dieng, Muhammad, 13th pick, future 2nd for Rondo and Green?

If Danny was contemplating of trading Rondo for a 1st and Mclemore (or per rumor), this would be a better return instead.

How do you figure?

SAC pick > MIN pick
McLemore > Muhammad

Which leaves trading Green for Dieng and a future 2nd. That seems like a poor return, certainly not enough value to make up the difference in the SAC trade above.

Also, I don't think your scenario works under the CBA.

While for sure the Sac pick is better you can't say certain Mclemore is or will be better than Muhammad.   Plus it's a no brainer to take Dieng for Green. If you look at the deal as a whole , it's on par if not better than the Sac offer for Rondo alone imo

again

To Wolves: Rondo, Green
To Celtics: Dieng, Muhammad, Mbah a Moute, Shved, 13th pick, 2nd round pick

What we would be getting. The potential

20 point game by Muhammad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM_XlRcnP4Q

22 points, 21 rebounds and 4 assists monster game vs the Rockets by Dieng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbot-rwWnRc

That trade still doesn't pass the CBA.  The salary Minnesota receives can't be more than 25% of what they are sending out.  Green and Rondo make around $20m or so combined.  Minnesota would have to send out about $17m to make the trade work.

I agree.  The main pieces is what i listed. The Wolves can give us Brewer, Budinger , sign and trade , whatever to make the salaries work

[Lucky17]

Can we see highlights of McLemore's two 20-point games, or his 30-point game on the last day of the season?

Every mock draft last year had BMac ahead of Shabazz, some by a margin of 10 picks. Neither has shown anything so far, but I think that going by conventional wisdom, BMac should be better.

[Tr1boy]

Can we see highlights of McLemore's two 20-point games, or his 30-point game on the last day of the season?

Every mock draft last year had BMac ahead of Shabazz, some by a margin of 10 picks. Neither has shown anything so far, but I think that going by conventional wisdom, BMac should be better.

Bmac has an edge on defense. But he won't be able to score like Muhammad if everything pans out. Muhammad can score in the post, shoot the ball, create his own shot, take it to the basket. He is also a better rebounder due to his long wingspan

Bmac's main weapon is shooting the ball (spot up shooting, coming off screens) or scoring in transition. He is poor at creating his own shot. If he is off with his shot,  he prob won't provide much offensive production that day

[knuckleballer]

Can we see highlights of McLemore's two 20-point games, or his 30-point game on the last day of the season?

Every mock draft last year had BMac ahead of Shabazz, some by a margin of 10 picks. Neither has shown anything so far, but I think that going by conventional wisdom, BMac should be better.

Bmac has an edge on defense. But he won't be able to score like Muhammad if everything pans out. Muhammad can score in the post, shoot the ball, create his own shot, take it to the basket. He is also a better rebounder due to his long wingspan

Bmac's main weapon is shooting the ball (spot up shooting, coming off screens) or scoring in transition. He is poor at creating his own shot. If he is off with his shot,  he prob won't provide much offensive production that day

I think you are too high on Shabazz.  He averaged 3.9 points last year and I believe there were character concerns with him.