Welcome Kevin Love and Dion Waiters

[Roy H.]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

I would love for us to take a chance on him if hes the only option left, and can come at a cheaper alternative.

same feeling.. he needs the right organization with a great coach and better discipline

I actually agree that he's got a lot of potential, although I wonder how he'd fit next to Rondo.  Waiters needs the ball in his hands to score and create.

[LooseCannon]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

He's more likely to be the next Marshon Brooks than a star.

[Roy H.]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

He's more likely to be the next Marshon Brooks than a star.

I'd put him closer to a healthy Eric Gordon.

[PhoSita]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

I would love for us to take a chance on him if hes the only option left, and can come at a cheaper alternative.

same feeling.. he needs the right organization with a great coach and better discipline

I actually agree that he's got a lot of potential, although I wonder how he'd fit next to Rondo.  Waiters needs the ball in his hands to score and create.

Yeah, I think Waiters is destined to play a Jamal Crawford sort of role on some team, provided that he isn't a total headcase.

I think trading for him could be a smart move, but I wouldn't give up a ton to get him.

[PaulAllen]

Marshawn Brooks and Eric Gordon couldnt average 20pts over 20 games...keep the hate coming

[Monkhouse]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

He's more likely to be the next Marshon Brooks than a star.

Except if you have watched any highlight or clips of when Waiters was starting, during the injury to Kyrie, you could see he has plenty of skill; whereas Marshon does not.

Waiters is better than Marshon in almost every game, and is a lot younger. His attitude problems can be a good or bad thing for us. Good as in it nets us a cheaper cost, and bad if its a long term issue.

During the run that Kyrie was out, Waiters averaged 21.5 PPG. That is pretty impressive for all the criticisms he got...

[notthebowler]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

I would love for us to take a chance on him if hes the only option left, and can come at a cheaper alternative.

I don't know...after 2 years he's got that Cleveland stank all over him.  With LBJ being the only exception in the history of the world, you can't wash that off.

[LooseCannon]

Marshawn Brooks and Eric Gordon couldnt average 20pts over 20 games...keep the hate coming

Eric Gordon averaged 22.3 points per game over 56 games in 2010-2011.

[Monkhouse]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

I would love for us to take a chance on him if hes the only option left, and can come at a cheaper alternative.

I don't know...after 2 years he's got that Cleveland stank all over him.  With LBJ being the only exception in the history of the world, you can't wash that off.

What do you mean by Cleveland stank? If LBJ had that Cleveland 'stank,' during his tenure at Cavs, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to him coming here if he requested a sign and trade to BOS...

Marshawn Brooks and Eric Gordon couldnt average 20pts over 20 games...keep the hate coming

Eric Gordon averaged 22.3 points per game over 56 games in 2010-2011.

And hes been injured and declining rapidly ever since..

[Donoghus]

Insane overpay for Dion Waiters.

[Monkhouse]

I think Waiters will be a star. He has all the talent to become one. The real problem is if he can truly become that stud.

I would love for us to take a chance on him if hes the only option left, and can come at a cheaper alternative.

same feeling.. he needs the right organization with a great coach and better discipline

I actually agree that he's got a lot of potential, although I wonder how he'd fit next to Rondo.  Waiters needs the ball in his hands to score and create.

That is also tough to explain, Roy.

I personally don't know how Waiters/Rondo can fit. I do know that Waiters has a nice mid range from the left side, and usually converts better percentage wise there. It depends on how he can play on/off the ball. If he can play back door cutting, and rolling through to get open through screens, I don't see why Rondo can't get Waiters open.

Waiters still needs a lot of work, but if the Cavs dangle him for a few second rounders, or one protected pick, and a 2nd rounder, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it.

[vjcsmoke]

2 firsts and KO for a guy who should be backing up Avery Bradley if the Celtics trade for him?

2 seconds and Phil Pressey, maybe.

You think that trade is bad, search the board for the trade proposed for Bismack biyombo -- Green + Bass + KO for a 6'9 center who averaged under 3ppg and under 5 rpg LOL.

And the overpayment for Waiters is ridiculous.  We're talking about a 43% shooter who averages less than 1 steal and .24 bpg as a guard...  No thank you.  Bradley would eat Waiter's lunch in a one on one battle.

[Monkhouse]

2 firsts and KO for a guy who should be backing up Avery Bradley if the Celtics trade for him?

2 seconds and Phil Pressey, maybe.

You think that trade is bad, search the board for the trade proposed for Bismack biyombo -- Green + Bass + KO for a 6'9 center who averaged under 3ppg and under 5 rpg LOL.

And the overpayment for Waiters is ridiculous.  We're talking about a 43% shooter who averages less than 1 steal and .24 bpg as a guard...  No thank you.  Bradley would eat Waiter's lunch in a one on one battle.

I think Bradley Beal is the next and upcoming version of Ray Allen.

These are numbers that compared in advanced metrics of rookie seasons.

Rk   Player   Season   Age   G   MP   PER   TS%   eFG%   FTr   3PAr   ORB%   DRB%   TRB%   AST%   STL%   BLK%   TOV%   USG%   ORtg   DRtg   OWS   DWS   WS   WS/48
1   Bradley Beal   2012-13   19   56   1745   13.6   .515   .477   .231   .344   2.7   10.8   6.7   13.7   1.5   1.3   10.6   22.2   102   105   1.0   2.0   3.0   .082
2   Dion Waiters   2012-13   21   61   1756   13.7   .492   .451   .261   .249   1.4   8.8   4.9   18.4   1.7   0.7   11.8   26.1   99   111   0.3   0.6   0.9   .026

In season two, we see that Waiters has surpassed Beal in most shooting categories, while getting to the free throw line a whole lot more. Waiters has seen his work in the offseason on his shooting pay off --shooting 35% compared to 31% on the same percentage of 3 pointers taken -- and thus raising his eFG and TS%, even as his drop in FT% hurts his true shooting number.

Beal, on the other hand, is taking a larger number of two point shots than he did a season ago. This is problematic because he is only shooting 40% on 2 point shots, whereas he is a 41% three point shooter. Despite being a much better free throw shooter, Beal has trouble getting to the line to use that skill. These factors have all combined to show a statistical regression in Beal's game.

Waiters has great handles, and huge confidence in himself.

Hes improved in every facet of the game that he was struggling with, and hopefully he'll learn how to improve his free throws. His form actually looks nice.

[Vox_Populi]

During the run that Kyrie was out, Waiters averaged 21.5 PPG. That is pretty impressive for all the criticisms he got...

Waiters is also a talented passer. Very much unlike Brooks.

[Monkhouse]

During the run that Kyrie was out, Waiters averaged 21.5 PPG. That is pretty impressive for all the criticisms he got...

Waiters is also a talented passer. Very much unlike Brooks.

A lot of users scorned at the idea of the thread I posted up, after there was initial interest from Ainge who called the Cavs GM about Waiters. Can you blame him?

Waiters is underrated, because no one knows what his exact ceiling is. I like his passing too.

The difference is Waiters looks like Stephenson, but with a better shot. They both struggle with free throws, and Stephenson is the superior rebounder/defender. In time, I think Waiters can shine. I sort of see Waiters as the combo guard.