I don't think we get Love

[Humble G]

Im reading alot of how the T-Wolves owner keeps saying that they are not trading Love before the Draft, which would really hurt our chances bc thats our biggest asset. Yes the owner could be just saying that to put up a front and bluff but it makes total sense to wait and try to get the best offer they can by creating a bidding war.

I honestly think the Rockets have the best chance, yes they don't have the draft assets but they can easily get a 3rd team involved. Lin, Asik, Parsons, Jones are all quality players........but I think Houston ships Asik off to another team and T-wolves would gets Lin, Parsons, Jones and a pick. AND i don't think we would be that 3rd team to get involved, so we lose Asik too.

IF they wait til after the draft, I don't see us being able to offer the best option for Minny. we have the clippers pick next year(late pick) and some Nets picks(could be good but that Russian has the money to keep them in contention every year prly) and our own pick(which wouldnt be a lottery pick if we got Love)......so we have Sully, Bradley late picks vs Lin Parsons Jones, Late pick(s)......idk

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer but this idea just slapped me in the face this morning.

[gpap]

Im reading alot of how the T-Wolves owner keeps saying that they are not trading Love before the Draft, which would really hurt our chances bc thats our biggest asset. Yes the owner could be just saying that to put up a front and bluff but it makes total sense to wait and try to get the best offer they can by creating a bidding war.

I honestly think the Rockets have the best chance, yes they don't have the draft assets but they can easily get a 3rd team involved. Lin, Asik, Parsons, Jones are all quality players........but I think Houston ships Asik off to another team and T-wolves would gets Lin, Parsons, Jones and a pick. AND i don't think we would be that 3rd team to get involved, so we lose Asik too.

IF they wait til after the draft, I don't see us being able to offer the best option for Minny. we have the clippers pick next year(late pick) and some Nets picks(could be good but that Russian has the money to keep them in contention every year prly) and our own pick(which wouldnt be a lottery pick if we got Love)......so we have Sully, Bradley late picks vs Lin Parsons Jones, Late pick(s)......idk

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer but this idea just slapped me in the face this morning.

You think Houston would offer Harden in a deal for Love? Because if so, I would think Minny does that in a heartbeat.

[Humble G]

Im reading alot of how the T-Wolves owner keeps saying that they are not trading Love before the Draft, which would really hurt our chances bc thats our biggest asset. Yes the owner could be just saying that to put up a front and bluff but it makes total sense to wait and try to get the best offer they can by creating a bidding war.

I honestly think the Rockets have the best chance, yes they don't have the draft assets but they can easily get a 3rd team involved. Lin, Asik, Parsons, Jones are all quality players........but I think Houston ships Asik off to another team and T-wolves would gets Lin, Parsons, Jones and a pick. AND i don't think we would be that 3rd team to get involved, so we lose Asik too.

IF they wait til after the draft, I don't see us being able to offer the best option for Minny. we have the clippers pick next year(late pick) and some Nets picks(could be good but that Russian has the money to keep them in contention every year prly) and our own pick(which wouldnt be a lottery pick if we got Love)......so we have Sully, Bradley late picks vs Lin Parsons Jones, Late pick(s)......idk

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer but this idea just slapped me in the face this morning.

You think Houston would offer Harden in a deal for Love? Because if so, I would think Minny does that in a heartbeat.

you know they could......that is interesting.......maybe....hmmmm

Like they keep parsons and asik and do:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qgnzh7n

Harden, Jones, Lin for Kevin Martin, Kevin Love, Alexey Shved


then HOU could trade Asik for a a better PG..... maybe a S&T for Bledsoe?
NEW                          vs.               OLD
PG: Bledsoe                                 Beverly
SG: Martin                                   Harden
SF: Parsons                                 Parsons
PF: Love                                      Jones
C: Dwight                                    Dwight

maybe

[gpap]

Im reading alot of how the T-Wolves owner keeps saying that they are not trading Love before the Draft, which would really hurt our chances bc thats our biggest asset. Yes the owner could be just saying that to put up a front and bluff but it makes total sense to wait and try to get the best offer they can by creating a bidding war.

I honestly think the Rockets have the best chance, yes they don't have the draft assets but they can easily get a 3rd team involved. Lin, Asik, Parsons, Jones are all quality players........but I think Houston ships Asik off to another team and T-wolves would gets Lin, Parsons, Jones and a pick. AND i don't think we would be that 3rd team to get involved, so we lose Asik too.

IF they wait til after the draft, I don't see us being able to offer the best option for Minny. we have the clippers pick next year(late pick) and some Nets picks(could be good but that Russian has the money to keep them in contention every year prly) and our own pick(which wouldnt be a lottery pick if we got Love)......so we have Sully, Bradley late picks vs Lin Parsons Jones, Late pick(s)......idk

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer but this idea just slapped me in the face this morning.

You think Houston would offer Harden in a deal for Love? Because if so, I would think Minny does that in a heartbeat.

you know they could......that is interesting.......maybe....hmmmm

Like they keep parsons and asik and do:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qgnzh7n

Harden, Jones, Lin for Kevin Martin, Kevin Love, Alexey Shved


then HOU could trade Asik for a a better PG.....
NEW                          vs.               OLD
PG: Asik Trade                             Beverly
SG: Martin                                   Harden
SF: Parsons                                 Parsons
PF: Love                                      Jones
C: Dwight                                    Dwight

maybe

If I am Minnesota, that's what I would tell Houston (especially with them being another Western Conference team.)

Give us Harden, or no deal. I personally don't think Lin, Asik and Parsons is that great a return for Minnesota as you're getting 3 okay players who are all on expiring contracts for 1 really good player.

If Houston says no, then maybe Minnesota takes their business to Causeway Street

I think Golden State can also offer a pretty attracive package as well with some combo of David Lee, Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes.

Only problem with that is, would Golden State really be that big of a contender in the stacked west with a trio of Curry, Iguodala and Love?

I mean the East is so bad, why wouldn't Love at least look at Boston and say "hey, if I go to the Celtics, we are automatically a top 3-4 team in the East."

You would think that would play a role.

[GreenWarrior]

I think getting love would be a luxury move for Houston. they need a pg. sure they'll make a lot of headlines and they'll be the champions of November. but they'll find themselves in the same place as this yr. with no pg.

[bucknersrevenge]

This is at least an interesting argument. It is possible Houston could put something together to get Love. But for one, 3 team deals are REALLY hard to pull off. It would take the right team with the right confluence of assets and needs and salaries to be a part of it. Those kinds of deals with 3 teams involved rarely include superstar players. Plus, I really think Houston is more insterested in acquiring Melo than Love. That is the path of lesser resistance assuming they can move some salary which Boston I'm assuming will help in.

But I like this argument much better than the big one I've been hearing that Love obviously wants to be on the West Coast because he's a "California guy". That's just a lazy, borderline insulting argument. Pierce was a Cali guy. KG was a Cali guy too. But they weren't stupid, and I'd like to assume that neither is Love. If he goes to the Lakers right now he is not going to win, or have even a chance to maybe for another 2-3 years and that's just to even be a contender. The Lakers don't even have a coach right now and their 2 best players are basically on their way out the door. Other than family and beaches, there is literally nothing for Love in LA other than wasting another 2-3 years of his prime out there. Again, I'd like to think he is less stupid than a lot of people are giving him credit for. The East is clearly wide open. We add him, and we're probably on top of our division before we even add another player to the team(which we certainly will).

So I'm not sure I agree with the Houston argument but I respect that you at least came up with something that was original.

[McHales Pits]

The Wolves owner is bluffing. If you were going to trade Love? You would want draft picks as part of the compensation return, no? So then why would we make the picks for them and hope that we select the players they wanted? Say we pick 5 and take Vonleh, but they wanted Randle...Then what? Does our offer become null and void? Do they go to the team who drafted Randle? It would make more sense for them to get their hands on the picks and work the draft board themselves.

[Fafnir]

We're unlikely to trade for him because:

1. He can always scuttle a deal to Boston by threatening to leave if we trade for him
2. There are lots of suitors for him offering a variety of packages.

So no single team is "likely" to get him, but I do think its very likely he is traded this year.

I do think the C's will be offering one of the best packages of picks and prospects for him. We have a combination of PF prospects, a high lottery pick, and plenty of future first round picks to build an offer with.

[PhoSita]

I'm not convinced Love would want to re-sign here.  Maybe if Ainge could work it out so that there's another move or two that happens after that makes the team somewhat formidable.

But Love, Rondo, and Jeff Green does not a particularly good team make.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'm not convinced Love would want to re-sign here.  Maybe if Ainge could work it out so that there's another move or two that happens after that makes the team somewhat formidable.

But Love, Rondo, and Jeff Green does not a particularly good team make.

That team wins the division as a 3 seed in a walk and that's before we get a center like Asik. And we'll still have assets to improve on the team in the future. Not to pick on you specifically PhoSita but I don't understand the argument "That team is not a title contender". That is also lazy. Do people think you make one deal and immediately become a contender? Is that how some people think it works? Again not necessarily you PhoSita but it seems like some people you can't incrementally upgrade your team while being competitive.

[Jon]

I'm not convinced Love would want to re-sign here.  Maybe if Ainge could work it out so that there's another move or two that happens after that makes the team somewhat formidable.

But Love, Rondo, and Jeff Green does not a particularly good team make.

That team wins the division as a 3 seed in a walk and that's before we get a center like Asik. And we'll still have assets to improve on the team in the future. Not to pick on you specifically PhoSita but I don't understand the argument "That team is not a title contender". That is also lazy. Do people think you make one deal and immediately become a contender? Is that how some people think it works? Again not necessarily you PhoSita but it seems like some people you can't incrementally upgrade your team while being competitive.

I agree with this sentiment.  It'd be one thing if we traded away every asset we had to land Love and the team was essentially Rondo/Love and some fillers.  That'd be a bad idea. 

But if we can essentially get away with a 5-8 pick and either Sully/Olynyk as the core of the deal, we still retain a lot of picks, Sully or Olynyk, potentially Bradley, and Green on top of Rondo. 

And it's possible we could even work out a larger deal with Minny and take on Kevin Martin, who is still a pretty darn good SG who averaged nearly 20 ppg last year, land Asik, and maybe even bring back PP at the MLE.  If we do that, I think we're very clearly a 50+ win team (especially in the East) who could compete with Indy and Miami (maybe not win, but compete). 

And considering we'd still likely be able to hold onto Olynyk and most of our future picks in a scenario like that, I like our ability to make a leap next year and still have room for growth in subsequent years. 

[arctic 3.0]

I'm not convinced Love would want to re-sign here.  Maybe if Ainge could work it out so that there's another move or two that happens after that makes the team somewhat formidable.
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But Love, Rondo, and Jeff Green does not a particularly good team make.

That team wins the division as a 3 seed in a walk and that's before we get a center like Asik. And we'll still have assets to improve on the team in the future. Not to pick on you specifically PhoSita but I don't understand the argument "That team is not a title contender". That is also lazy. Do people think you make one deal and immediately become a contender? Is that how some people think it works? Again not necessarily you PhoSita but it seems like some people you can't incrementally upgrade your team while being competitive.

I agree with this sentiment.  It'd be one thing if we traded away every asset we had to land Love and the team was essentially Rondo/Love and some fillers.  That'd be a bad idea. 

But if we can essentially get away with a 5-8 pick and either Sully/Olynyk as the core of the deal, we still retain a lot of picks, Sully or Olynyk, potentially Bradley, and Green on top of Rondo. 

And it's possible we could even work out a larger deal with Minny and take on Kevin Martin, who is still a pretty darn good SG who averaged nearly 20 ppg last year, land Asik, and maybe even bring back PP at the MLE.  If we do that, I think we're very clearly a 50+ win team (especially in the East) who could compete with Indy and Miami (maybe not win, but compete). 

And considering we'd still likely be able to hold onto Olynyk and most of our future picks in a scenario like that, I like our ability to make a leap next year and still have room for growth in subsequent years.

So : Rondo, Martin, Green, Love, Asik with Bayless, Bradley, Pierce, Wallace,Oly off the bench?
Ok by me:)

[bucknersrevenge]

My deal would be pretty much similar. We offer our 1st rounder with Sully, Bass, and Jeff Green for Love and Martin. If need be Ill sweeten it with a future year pick but I'm not doing it if I don't have to.

Minny gets a young pf to play next to Pekovic. Bass is expiring. Green has a player option after next year that he likely wouldn't exercise to stay there and he drops off. Even if he does, he expires the following year and becomes a trade deadline asset the following year. And...not to be underrated, by us also taking Martin off their hands they save themselves from the 3 yrs and 21M left on his deal. They get expiring contracts, cap relief, and young assets. Everything you need to rebuild.

We get Love and Martin and add perimeter shooting right away. We'll still have our 17 to add another wing(Lavine, Hood, Stauskas, Warren). We trade for Asik using the exception. We have at least a solid foundation of a team on the rise with an inconsistent Indy team and a Miami team maybe starting to show some age. We'll be in a good spot. Plus still will have future assets for more upgrades moving forward.

We get

[Irish Stew]

The people who say that getting Love does not make us a championship contender are correct but still guilty of wrongheaded thinking. Getting Love is part of the process and,perhaps, the most important one. If you need three stars to compete at the highest level, we will now have two. In addition, it makes it more likely that our other star, Rondo, will reup. Further, having two stars makes it easier to attract the third star and we have the draft assets, young players, and expiring plus nonguaranteed contracts to get all of this done. Do not look at any one trade or signing as the end of this process. Finally, do not overly concern yourself with Love's defensive weaknesses. Ainge understands this and will almost certainly get a veteran rim defender. e.g. Sanders, Asik.

[jay]

If we can't get him, what are the odds we can be a 3rd team in the deal?

Bass, Sullinger, draft pick, Anthony go out

David Lee and Klay Thompson come in?  Not worth it?