Kevin Love to Boston good or bad idea?

[Nef-Oracle]

Since joining the league Kevin Love have been one of the brighest player. He was selected with fifth overall pic by the Timberwolves in 2008. He came out of college with an average of 17.5 pts (55.9 fg%) 10.6 rbds, 0.7 stl & 1.4 blk per game. This year he averages 26.1 ppg, 12.5 rpg & 4.4 apg. His stats don't lie he's great player who would boost boston's front court. But the question is Boston should trade for Love or go after someone else?
I've been thinking about it days and days & my answer is no. So let me tell you why it's a bad idea.
Firstly what we need is a sf who can score. We all know that Jeff Green is inconsistent, he can score 39pts a night then just score 9 the day. To replace him we could sign Gordon Hayward (fa this summer, he'll be happy to join Doc Stevens) or trade for Melo (he'd like to play with Rondo).
Secondly because we a bunch of players who can play pf: Sully, Olynyk, Bass, Faverani or even Green.
Thirdly because we'll loose a bunch of good players & assets if we go for Love. For sure T-Wolves will ask us to give them Sully, Avery, Olynyk or Bass. Sincerely that's too much for guy who watch the playoffs at home since his birth. Maybe i'm wrong but i feel like Sully or Olynyk or both could take their game to the next level next year. We already have the pieces to build a solid team. We have Rondo & Pressey at 1, Avery & Bayless at 2 & Sully, Olynyk & Humph at 4. We just need to had a pure center & a scorer to make the playoffs next year. Thoughs?

[2short]

if sully and kelly take their games to the next level that level is still pretty off from loves production
we don't need a dominate scoring small forward if green is still around as the pf position will be the dominant scoring spot and green can score, he was our #1 option this year with defenses keying in on him and he did fine, yes inconsistent but he'd be our #2 scoring option at best
love outlet passes to rondo for breaks?.wow

[Sketch5]

Getting Love would be the next step into contending, but we would still need to do some more work.

Thats why Im not comfortable with throwing the kitchen sink at him, especially if he doesn't come in with an extension.

I wouldn't do a top 3, unless thats the only pick we are giving up, Sully and filler. Or maybe both our picks, Sully filler for Love and their pick. We could get a wing like Hood,Stauskas, or Young with  the Wolves pick.

I would how ever trade our 17th, and two of the Nets picks, plus Sully, and filler, like and S&T of AB. But only if we are going to get Wiggins. Ebiid is too questionable right now, so until told other wise, I'd want to stay away. And Parker with Love would be a defensive nightmare. That way if he doesn't resign, we aren't out that much.

DA has a lot of work ahead of him. But I do trust he wont over pay for Love. At least not of he's not coming in with an extension.

[knuckleballer]

Whether or not we should go after Love, I think will depend a lot on how the lottery unfolds tonight.  If we end up with the fifth or sixth pick, it will be difficult to build a roster strong enough to convince Love to sign an extension.  However, if we do get a top pick, we could build a pretty interesting roster.

Just for fun, let's say we end up getting Wiggins, how does this scenario sound?
    Trade Sullinger, the number 17 pick, the  Clippers pick, 2016 Brooklyn pick, the trade exception and Bogans' non guaranteed contract for Kevin Love
    Trade Jeff Green for Larry Sanders or Asik.  I'd prefer Sanders if Milwaukee is willing to deal.
    Bring back Paul Pierce to a mid level exception, sign Bradley and  Bayless
 
The roster would then look like:
1.  Rondo, Bayless, Pressey
2.  Bradley, Wiggins, Bayless
3.  Pierce, Wiggins, Wallace
4.  Love, Olynyk
5.  Sanders, Olynyk, Faverani

Wiggins will be forced to earn his playing time and will be surrounded by a veteran roster which will only help him.  Eventually, he'll replace Pierce as the starting 3.
I think Love would sign an extension to play for that team. He'll have an elite point guard, a HOF veteran in Pierce, a rim defender in Sanders, and a future star teammate in Wiggins.
That team would have a nice balance of youth and veterans that could contend for awhile. 

Looking forward to tonight's lottery, the Celtics are due for some luck with this thing.

[wdleehi]

This roster needs top level talent to go with Rondo.



Here is a top level talent that is not old that may very much be in play to get. 



Offering a fair deal for Love makes all the sense in the NBA world. 

[slamtheking]

This roster needs top level talent to go with Rondo.

Here is a top level talent that is not old that may very much be in play to get. 

Offering a fair deal for Love makes all the sense in the NBA world. 

And that's the key.  Everyone's definition of fair seems to vary quite a bit here.

Love is not KG.  It doesn't matter that he's younger.  KG is one of the best PFs ever.  Love is one of the best PFs now.  big difference, especially on Defense. 

IMO, we shouldn't be paying Minnie the same price we paid for KG.  2 non-lottery firsts and Sully or KO  or  1 non-lottery first/Sully or KO/AB S&T  or  1st pick this year if not in top 3 and Sully or KO.    Plus salary filler which would be Wallace.

I know many think that's underpayment but look at what Minny got for KG, the difference in KG and Love and then I think that's fair.

[Fafnir]

I know many think that's underpayment but look at what Minny got for KG, the difference in KG and Love and then I think that's fair.

What you think is fair is pretty irrelevant, Minnesota would not accept that package with Wallace coming back. They'd also demand more picks.

KG was 31 and the owner demanded that he be traded due to his contract and the team's losing status.

Love is going to be 26 this coming season, that's 5 years of his prime left and the owner doesn't want to trade him.

[More Banners]

I can't see a world where a lottery team adds an all star and someone thinks it's a bad idea.

If a team needs three stars and we have one, adding another one makes sense to me.

Sully and KO are good and may be very good, and I would surely keep one in the fold as best I can, but an allstar in his prime is a nice thing to have on the floor.

Love is what we're hoping Sully or KO could possibly become.  Take the real McCoy.

[Jon]

People are right to say that Love isn't KG and potentially isn't worth as much.  However, value is also dictated by availability and demand, and quite frankly, there's no one of KG's 2007 worth available this offseason and there may not be again for a very long time.  As Wyc noted the other day, the KG deal (especially combined with the Ray deal) was essentially a once in a lifetime deal.  At the very least, it's at least a once in an every 30 year deal, as the closest approximation I can find in Celtic history is the deal that brought the C's Parish and McHale in the early '80s. 

So I think sitting around and waiting for a better player than Love is a bad idea.  It probably won't happen.  So the real question becomes whether you think you can develop ultimately a better player than Love by keeping the assets you'd have to give up to get Love.  So assuming we'd have to give up at least our lottery pick and Olynyk or Sully, you have to ask the question whether you think either of those players could ultimately be better than Love. 

If we land a top 3 pick, I think that question becomes harder.  But if we end up in the 5-8 range, I think the chances of either player ending up being better than Love is pretty small.  Right now, Olynyk and Sully's absolute ceiling seem to be that of Love, and that's if they fully develop to the absolute greatest extent, which is ultimately unlikely.  As for the 5-8 pick, while the pick could end up being an All Star, the chances of that happening are far less than the player actually being a bust.  Even if the player ends up being good, it's likely the player isn't as good as Love is right now. 

So I'd love (ha) to see if we could get Love and Martin from the Wolves, then try to pry Asik from the Rockets for the TPE, and then see if we can bring PP back at the MLE.  I think we then become the 3 seed in the East and can still retain a fair amount of our assets to add to that core by either developing talent internally or having assets left to deal for another All Star if one becomes available. 

[Fafnir]

I know many think that's underpayment but look at what Minny got for KG, the difference in KG and Love and then I think that's fair.

What you think is fair is pretty irrelevant, Minnesota would not accept that package with Wallace coming back. They'd also demand more picks.

KG was 31 and the owner demanded that he be traded due to his contract and the team's losing status.

Love is going to be 26 this coming season, that's 5 years of his prime left and the owner doesn't want to trade him.

Another thing. We offered basically the same package (probably different pieces around it but still Jefferson + Assets) for KG before the draft PLUS the number 5 pick for him. KG scuttled the deal at the time by refusing to sign an extension.

So Danny then moved the pick for Ray Allen and kept working to get KG.

[nacceltic]

One thing that hasn't been brought up enough is that if the Celtics don't get a star this off-season it drastically could effect Rondo's future here...The probability of Rondo staying if they do land a player like Kevin Love dramatically improves, in my estimation. It could also lead Rondo to take less money, following the Big Three in South Beach's philosophy, down the road.

If we keep the pick and bring in someone like Asik, I'm not as confident in Rajon deciding to stay.  And, even if you just "like" Rajon, we all have to admit he is one piece of the three that you need to contend consistently.  So, is if you pass on Love, you might be passing on Rondo after this season too.

If that scenario plays out, we're stuck praying that everyone develops sooner rather than later and it somehow all works out.  If not, we could be looking at "excitement" for lottery night for years to come.

[nacceltic]

Oh and one more thing...Looking at the KG trade v. Love possibility....This is what I think fits the most:

Boston Sends: Sully, Bass, Joel Anthony, Bayless, Bradley (S & T ~$7 Million) and this year's #17 pick and Brooklyn's 2016 pick

Boston receives: Kevin Love & Kevin Martin

That seems like logical value...Minnesota gains up to $12 Million in expiring contracts, two young promising players that are both cost controlled and two first round picks, one of which that could be a top-10 pick in 2016.  They also shed Martin's deal from their books.

Boston receives a top-10 player entering his prime and a shooter in Martin.

[kozlodoev]

Oh and one more thing...Looking at the KG trade v. Love possibility....This is what I think fits the most:

Boston Sends: Sully, Bass, Joel Anthony, Bayless, Bradley (S & T ~$7 Million) and this year's #17 pick and Brooklyn's 2016 pick

Boston receives: Kevin Love & Kevin Martin

That seems like logical value...Minnesota gains up to $12 Million in expiring contracts, two young promising players that are both cost controlled and two first round picks, one of which that could be a top-10 pick in 2016.  They also shed Martin's deal from their books.

Boston receives a top-10 player entering his prime and a shooter in Martin.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[D.o.s.]

Oh and one more thing...Looking at the KG trade v. Love possibility....This is what I think fits the most:

Boston Sends: Sully, Bass, Joel Anthony, Bayless, Bradley (S & T ~$7 Million) and this year's #17 pick and Brooklyn's 2016 pick

Boston receives: Kevin Love & Kevin Martin

That seems like logical value...Minnesota gains up to $12 Million in expiring contracts, two young promising players that are both cost controlled and two first round picks, one of which that could be a top-10 pick in 2016.  They also shed Martin's deal from their books.

Boston receives a top-10 player entering his prime and a shooter in Martin.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Totally on board for this deal, though -- that's a heist and a half.

[slamtheking]

I know many think that's underpayment but look at what Minny got for KG, the difference in KG and Love and then I think that's fair.

What you think is fair is pretty irrelevant, Minnesota would not accept that package with Wallace coming back. They'd also demand more picks.

KG was 31 and the owner demanded that he be traded due to his contract and the team's losing status.

Love is going to be 26 this coming season, that's 5 years of his prime left and the owner doesn't want to trade him.

It's just as relevant/irrelevant as anyone else's opinion here.  Only Danny's opinion is really relevant. 

KG at 31 is a better player than Love at 26.  Love having more years left in his prime only matters if he spends those years here and what his prime actually is.  His prime is not as good as KG at 31.

As for Wallace, I just threw his name out there as a player on the roster that had the salary requirements.  I agree I don't see Minny taking him w/o another asset going to them but I wouldn't throw Green in the deal.  we may have enough non-guaranteed money to make the $ work but that would be a guess on my part.