Gordon like Celtics

[Celtics18]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2TMEzhJqVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNRGoik0q58

Come on now

[davemonsterband]

I think I agree with the idea that his absolute ceiling is around Gerald Wallace + Shawn Marion, which is, ultimately, a role player -- at least to me.

The ability to guard the best player on a team be it a 2 to a 4 especially against your Lebron's and Durant's would make an in his prime on a good team Gerald Wallace more than a role player in terms of importance. Have him face guarding people and off the ball like Rodman. I hope he'll be willing to do that so the free throws don't become an issue. I'd take a ball handling defensive and physical freak any day of the week at 6 or 7. I think it's irresponsible to take a risk on a 6-4 point guard from Australia over a lockdown, shutdown defender. Defensive will never let you down. No one guy can make this team a contender, not even best case scenario Embiid, who I am hoping for.

You clearly dont know what you are on about because:
1. Exum is a 6'6" PG, not 6'4"
2. Exum is a lockdown defender already at the guard spot, with the potential to be able to defend positions 1-3
3. Exum is a physical freak

Basically everything Gordon gives you, Exum gives you too...except for fancy show-off dunks which I frankly don't care for because 360 dunks do nothing for winning games or championships.

The difference is that Exum can score and distribute too...

You really going to tell me you'd take Gerald Wallace in his Prime over Penny Hawdaway in his Prime? Because those are the guys these two are being projected to become.  No, not Marion.  He was nearly a 20 PPG scorer in his prime,  which Gordon will never be.

I was going off the no shoes combine heights. A bigger, stronger defender who can guard anyone is exactly what I would like. A 20 ppg scoring point guard is not as rare as a versatile, ball handling freak.

I don't care who is more NBA ready year one, this isn't championship time no matter how you slice it. I know what Exum is, he's not going to be the guy you put on Lebron or Durant in a playoff series. I guess I just like hybrids, I'm a Lions fan and I was jacked about getting Eric Ebron when everyone was ticked off as well. We will see.

Penny Hardaway in today's NBA wouldn't be a big deal.

[droopdog7]

Gordon, in my view, pretty much is Shawn Marion 2.0.  I mean, I am not sure I have ever felt a more natural comparison between two players.

Not a bad thing, just an observation.

[sofutomygaha]

You clearly dont know what you are on about because:
1. Exum is a 6'6" PG, not 6'4"
2. Exum is a lockdown defender already at the guard spot, with the potential to be able to defend positions 1-3
3. Exum is a physical freak

Basically everything Gordon gives you, Exum gives you too...except for fancy show-off dunks which I frankly don't care for because 360 dunks do nothing for winning games or championships.

The difference is that Exum can score and distribute too...

You really going to tell me you'd take Gerald Wallace in his Prime over Penny Hawdaway in his Prime? Because those are the guys these two are being projected to become.  No, not Marion.  He was nearly a 20 PPG scorer in his prime,  which Gordon will never be.

You're reading too many hype stories. Exum is not "already a lockdown defender," unless you are talking about the Australian high schoolers he's been locking down. Also, Exum didn't set any records at the draft combine. If you want to call him a physical freak, fine, but he didn't do anything that's particularly freaky for an nba player. He's big for a point guard, but who knows if he'll actually be a point guard.

[D.o.s.]

Penny Hardaway in today's NBA wouldn't be a big deal.

[boscel33]

He's the guy I feel.

[davemonsterband]

Penny Hardaway in today's NBA wouldn't be a big deal.

Exactly what I said. He'd be good, but not a big deal.

[Fafnir]

Penny Hardaway was Russell Westbrook but taller from what I remember of his game.

Is Westbrook a big deal?

[sofutomygaha]

Penny Hardaway was Russell Westbrook but taller from what I remember of his game.

Is Westbrook a big deal?

Is it a big deal that, right now, it's basically the same six of us having parallel arguments in three different threads?

[davemonsterband]

Penny Hardaway was Russell Westbrook but taller from what I remember of his game.

Is Westbrook a big deal?

Westbrook is a far better rebounder, scorer and athlete than Penny ever dreamed of being. Penny had a better post game, was a more gifted passer and was great in the passing lanes. Not a very good comparison IMO. Westbrook is propelled by rocket fuel. Penny made my eyes drowsy.

This is far off topic as said above. The point I'm making is Aaron Gordon is more of rarity IMO and in 2-3 years much, much harder to replace than a 20 ppg PG. Like a Shawn Marion, he should be a constant than you can blindly rely on for 10 years. That's a ton of value, if at around number 5. I guess I'm not looking to hit the home run as much as some other people.

[D.o.s.]

Healthy Penny Hardaway>Russell Westbrook. and I like Russell Westbrook.

[cltc5]

Chambers, what position does Marion play?  Can Marion create his own shot or even have a natural looking jump shot??  Would you still consider him as one of the better SF/PFs that played in this league the last 10-12 years now?

Gordon is going to play SF in the nba.   Like marion can he create his own shot or have a sweet looking jump shot? well right now he hasn't shown he can on a consistent basis but he is still very young and could develop both of these things.  Still , he can go end to end, he can get to the basket in a straight line but your wrong that he is one of those types that just puts their heads down and doesn't know what their doing. I've seen enough plays of him driving and making difficult passes near the basket or to a jump shooter for easy baskets.  I've seen him direct his point guards  to identify certain plays, matchups to get a better scoring chance. He is constantly thinking while moving on both ends

You know whats another issue/unknown? The guy was not relied upon to score 20 a game.  He was working with his many other talented teammates to win games. Like he said , he doesn't care about individual stats, taking poor shots, taking shots with 25 seconds left in the clock (which guys like Parker, Smart did alot) . He was about execution, making the right plays and not turning over the ball.   He has accomplished alot since the U19 tourney. And to help his team obtain the regular season record they did and carry them to the elite 8 is a pretty darn good accomplishment for a freshman.

But some naysayers like yourself think this is likely the end for him once he gets to the nba. He is going to be a role player, no offense, etc.  For me as long as he keeps winning, it won't matter if he can't score or shoot threes at a high rate.  The kid has proven to be a winner and will do everything possible to win.   Only some players have this kind of luck/quality

So basically you want to pick a *potential* Shawn Marion in Aaron Gordon, and I want to pick a *potential* Paul Pierce in Jabari Parker.
Like I said, I have no problem picking Gordon if we land the 7th or 8th or 9th pick and trade down.
I do however, have a problem picking him with the 4th or 5th pick.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about this.

Shawn Marion is a 4 time All Star who was an excellent scorer in transition with an array of dazzling loop shots and circus moves.
Aaron Gordon doesn't have any of those shots yet. I don't know if he will, but I do know that there aren't many guys in the league like Shawn Marion that have succeeded- he's an extremely rare case.

And I am 100% correct about Aaron Gordon relying on his strength and size instead of his dribbling skill and dribble breakdowns, you're in complete denial if you think otherwise.

Have you ever seen Gordon finish with his left hand? Maybe 5 or 6 times ever? Have you ever seen him break down a defender 1v1 with a cross over or side step with a fadeaway jumpshot that he could hit regularly?

There's a reason you think he's an elite player who should be compared to Jabari and Wiggins and the rest of the world realizes that he has offensive limitations that will be extremely hard to overcome at the next level and ultimately limit what he will become.

I have no problem with Aaron Gordon on the Celtics. I just don't want us picking him before Embid, Parker, Wiggins, Exum or Smart because his ceiling is simply far lower than any of those guys.

If we are building the Dallas Mavericks and we have the 5th pick, do we take Dirk, or do we take Marion? Simple logic with this kind of talent in the draft.

Chambers your analogies have been illogical from the get go.  Ef course if we have a shot at Parker you take him first

[D.o.s.]

Penny Hardaway was Russell Westbrook but taller from what I remember of his game.

Is Westbrook a big deal?

Is it a big deal that, right now, it's basically the same six of us having parallel arguments in three different threads?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jUhnCU9iA

[The One]

Gordon is already a elite defender that can defend multiple position
and he is young enough to learn to be a good shooter and has the tools to be a good rebounder
He can very likely be an all-star after 3-4 years

No, I don't think so.

[Tr1boy]

Gordon all star or not will help his team win games, especially in the playoffs. You can go to war with gordon