IDEA:Celtics/Brooklyn blockbuster, part 2

[gpap]

Could you ever see the Celts and Brooklyn making another monster deal?

In other words if Brooklyn is looking to shed salary to become a player in free agency over the next couple years, could you ever see a deal where the Celts offer a deal centered around Rondo and picks to Brooklyn for Deron Williams and either Joe Johnson or Brook Lopez?

If this were to happen, and DWill/Lopez stayed healthy, would this not make the Celts a contender for years to come? And imagine if the Celts could reacquire Pierce or KG

I know it would have to wait til after July 1st.

For Brooklyn, they get to replenish their barren stock of picks, have a star in Rondo and cap space to go after upcoming free agents like LMA, Love or even Durant in 2017 as Brooklyn has now become a hot destination in the NBA

[celticsfan8591]

I'd have no interest in such a trade.  We'd be blowing any future cap flexibility on two guys that haven't won anything and are major risks going forward.  Deron used to be better than Rondo for sure, but his game has really declined with the Nets and his conditioning, and consequently health, are concerns.  I'd rather have Rondo at this point; he's younger, has had more team success, and even if his shot is garbage you at least know he'll show up ready to play and bring his A game in the playoffs.  Lopez is a good center but foot issues in guys that size are scary and he just signed a huge contract.  Even when healthy, his defense is average at best and he's a terrible rebounder.  Just not a risk worth taking IMO.  I'm all for trading Rondo, but only if we're getting picks and/or young guys back.

[gpap]

I'd have no interest in such a trade.  We'd be blowing any future cap flexibility on two guys that haven't won anything and are major risks going forward.  Deron used to be better than Rondo for sure, but his game has really declined with the Nets and his conditioning, and consequently health, are concerns.  I'd rather have Rondo at this point; he's younger, has had more team success, and even if his shot is garbage you at least know he'll show up ready to play and bring his A game in the playoffs.  Lopez is a good center but foot issues in guys that size are scary and he just signed a huge contract.  Even when healthy, his defense is average at best and he's a terrible rebounder.  Just not a risk worth taking IMO.  I'm all for trading Rondo, but only if we're getting picks and/or young guys back.

Gotcha, you think Brooklyn would ever do this though?

[pearljammer10]

The Nets haven't been contenders since they've had Dwill, Lopez, or Joe Johnson... How would sending two of them to the Celtics be any different for us?

We already made a killer deal with the Nets and we've bolstered our assets because of it. Why trade them all back and end up in mediocrity with possibly two injury prone under-performers (lopez, dwill) or an overpaid past his prime guy.

[AngryAndIrritable]

I really don't like the idea of this trade. Deron Williams has been in decline for at least a couple of years now and doesn't seem to have the mental fortitude to pull out of it.

This season has shown that we really got the better deal out of sending KG and Pierce to the Nets, painful as it was to admit at the time. Why give the Nets an opportunity to redress the balance?

[slamtheking]

The Nets haven't been contenders since they've had Dwill, Lopez, or Joe Johnson... How would sending two of them to the Celtics be any different for us?

We already made a killer deal with the Nets and we've bolstered our assets because of it. Why trade them all back and end up in mediocrity with possibly two injury prone under-performers (lopez, dwill) or an overpaid past his prime guy.

This.

I don't get why this would be enticing for anyone.  it was an epic fail for the Nets this year.  why would that be considered something worth emulating?

[gpap]

Personally, if Deron had ankle surgery this summer and comes back 100 percent this fall, I would make this deal.

I know DWill is kinda viewed as damaged goods right now, but this is a roll of the dice I would attempt.

Williams is only 29 years old and is an all-star point guard. He's also someone who could attract other big name free agents. Also, if I recall, Ray Allen had the same sorta stigma with his ankles when the Celts traded for him in 2007.

Trust me, I understand why most here wouldn't, but I would.

Something along the lines of Rondo, a 1st and filler for Deron and filler if necessary.

[MISSERY]

i believed that the nets are still contenders if everyone are healthy
the problem is kg was there so the expectations are high, they traded the only rebounder they had and lopez is injured, so if the nets find another bigman who can clogged the paint with lopez back to back rest in season

on the side of pierce if he does bad descisions on his game plays, johnson will cover him up
on kg's side plumlee and blatche can't cover kg's awful night of games

i don't see the nets making this trade, nets say no,

[LooseCannon]

Personally, if Deron had ankle surgery this summer and comes back 100 percent this fall, I would make this deal.

I know DWill is kinda viewed as damaged goods right now, but this is a roll of the dice I would attempt.

Williams is only 29 years old and is an all-star point guard. He's also someone who could attract other big name free agents. Also, if I recall, Ray Allen had the same sorta stigma with his ankles when the Celts traded for him in 2007.

Trust me, I understand why most here wouldn't, but I would.

Something along the lines of Rondo, a 1st and filler for Deron and filler if necessary.

Why would I trade an All-Star point guard and a first for an older All-Star point guard on a bigger contract?  I think the Nets should be the one throwing in a pick to make me consider a deal.

[MISSERY]

Personally, if Deron had ankle surgery this summer and comes back 100 percent this fall, I would make this deal.

I know DWill is kinda viewed as damaged goods right now, but this is a roll of the dice I would attempt.

Williams is only 29 years old and is an all-star point guard. He's also someone who could attract other big name free agents. Also, if I recall, Ray Allen had the same sorta stigma with his ankles when the Celts traded for him in 2007.

Trust me, I understand why most here wouldn't, but I would.

Something along the lines of Rondo, a 1st and filler for Deron and filler if necessary.

Why would I trade an All-Star point guard and a first for an older All-Star point guard on a bigger contract?  I think the Nets should be the one throwing in a pick to make me consider a deal.

if the nets got CP3 or RONDO, they should have beaten the heat or raptors not in game 7

[gpap]

i believed that the nets are still contenders if everyone are healthy
the problem is kg was there so the expectations are high, they traded the only rebounder they had and lopez is injured, so if the nets find another bigman who can clogged the paint with lopez back to back rest in season

on the side of pierce if he does bad descisions on his game plays, johnson will cover him up
on kg's side plumlee and blatche can't cover kg's awful night of games

i don't see the nets making this trade, nets say no,

You're probably right. The only reason why I think Brooklyn might consider it is because they are hamstrung with long-term deals for the next several years and this possibly gives them some flexibility.

[MISSERY]

i believed that the nets are still contenders if everyone are healthy
the problem is kg was there so the expectations are high, they traded the only rebounder they had and lopez is injured, so if the nets find another bigman who can clogged the paint with lopez back to back rest in season

on the side of pierce if he does bad descisions on his game plays, johnson will cover him up
on kg's side plumlee and blatche can't cover kg's awful night of games

i don't see the nets making this trade, nets say no,

You're probably right. The only reason why I think Brooklyn might consider it is because they are hamstrung with long-term deals for the next several years and this possibly gives them some flexibility.

if i'm the nets owner i'll offer pierce his salary and pay another luxury tax
i'll released collins and sign a big man, (take note) i don't need starting bigman, a 3rd C or 2nd C might do, varejao's free agent but 8million a year. better than blatche and plumlee when healthy, kaman? dalembert? i say no.... the best guy for them is mozgov since he only takes 4million, and since he is in 3 years contract, if anderson or livingston those guys decides to leave, i'll trade any of them ASAP,

2nd problem back-up point guard, kendall marshall, ramon sessions, steve blake are not a bad options

again im the nets owner and im willing to pay all, i'd do that in a heartbeat, since he promised nets will win a championship in 5 years, next year would probably the last for kg and pierce so nets gm should make a move,

and if i was kg i'd take 12million,
i know pierce will stay, clippers with pierce a contender? i say no

lasty, i made a thread asking about kg, i think its the coach problem that's why kg is doing bad

[celticsfan8591]

I'd have no interest in such a trade.  We'd be blowing any future cap flexibility on two guys that haven't won anything and are major risks going forward.  Deron used to be better than Rondo for sure, but his game has really declined with the Nets and his conditioning, and consequently health, are concerns.  I'd rather have Rondo at this point; he's younger, has had more team success, and even if his shot is garbage you at least know he'll show up ready to play and bring his A game in the playoffs.  Lopez is a good center but foot issues in guys that size are scary and he just signed a huge contract.  Even when healthy, his defense is average at best and he's a terrible rebounder.  Just not a risk worth taking IMO.  I'm all for trading Rondo, but only if we're getting picks and/or young guys back.

Gotcha, you think Brooklyn would ever do this though?

Not sure.  In a vacuum I'd say they would, because they could use the flexibility they'd gain to add a good big man and Rondo plus that guy would likely be an upgrade.  However, since they're so far over the cap, they won't be able to add another big salary and would have a big hole in the middle without Lopez and KG (whenever he retires).  Since they're in win now mode, I think they'd rather stand pat

[pearljammer10]

Personally, if Deron had ankle surgery this summer and comes back 100 percent this fall, I would make this deal.

I know DWill is kinda viewed as damaged goods right now, but this is a roll of the dice I would attempt.

Williams is only 29 years old and is an all-star point guard. He's also someone who could attract other big name free agents. Also, if I recall, Ray Allen had the same sorta stigma with his ankles when the Celts traded for him in 2007.

Trust me, I understand why most here wouldn't, but I would.

Something along the lines of Rondo, a 1st and filler for Deron and filler if necessary.

Rondo a first and someone else for Williams?

That's absurd.

Even when DWill was playing his best ball I still would have taken Rondo over him any day of the week. Now he is older than Rondo, more injury prone than Rondo, has a bigger contract and Rondo, and quite frankly just isn't as good as Rondo.

This makes no sense to me.

[SparzWizard]

Nope you failed to convince me. I'd keep Rondo and playoffs Rondo all for myself over a guy who is of lesser-quality performer than Rondo, an overpaid individual who has never really had any success past the second-round of the playoffs and somebody we already traded away, and another man who is coming back from his third (?) foot surgery over the last 5 years (?).

They are an idiot team who agreed to trade away young assets for two aging-declining stars in Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, but at the end of a year...the Celtics won that deal. (Don't get me wrong, I love PP and KG and would hope KG retires now before things get much worse for him)

But I think Brooklyn might do it for salary purposes. They are basically sitting in hell for the next several years with that cap problem chained to them.