What's your Big Board?

[Celtic Fan Forever]

Since we're guaranteed to go somewhere between 1 and 8, I'll do my top 8.

1. Embiid: I'm a sucker for big men with elite potential (still would've picked Oden over Durant injuries aside)

2. Parker: Elite shotmaker, great size, can't help but think of Pierce when I think of Parker.

3. Wiggins: Obviously based on his potential, I'm not completely sold on him but he could be special.

4. Exum: Don't know too much about him, but great size and athleticism and a great feel for the game

5. Randle: Zach Randolph 2.0. Big, strong, tough, all great qualities you love out of a PF. However, would mean we would probably have to trade Sully

6. Vonleh: A bit more raw then some of the other guys, but I feel like he has the potential to be a great player

7. Gordon: Love his work ethic and defensive abilities.

8. Smart: Great defender, athletic, tough. I like what he brings to the table.


I feel like all 8 of these guys could possibly end up as all stars. Can't complain about where we sit right now regardless of how the lottery ends up.

[Tr1boy]

1. Embiid - If no injury , definitely #1. Needs to get stronger and become more aggressive
2. Wiggins - If he ever develops a mean streak, he could be amazing
3. Exum - 6'6 pg . A blur on the court
4. Gordon - Will make all defensive team in a few years. High IQ, motor, explosiveness
5 .Saric - 6'10 SF with an all around game.
6. Parker - All around offensive game. Stamina and defense needs work
7. Randle - Similar game to antoine walker.(better from the post,weaker from the perim)
8. Smart - Strong guard. Nice defender. Inefficient on the offensive end
9. Nurkic  - Mobile beast sized center. Offensively skilled. Defense needs work
10. Vonleh - Excellent size and underrated skills for a pf. Mediocre feel for game and iq

[JBcat]

For the most I like everyone's list. First I just want to say I'm afraid of Randle.  I really don't see Antoine or Randolph in his game.  I'm afraid he will turn into Thomas Robinson. Athletic PF with short arms, and has trouble getting his shot in the pros.  Especially since we have Sully and KO I'd rather pass on him.

Vonleh intrigues me, and because of his wingspan might be able to play center and complement Sully and KO's game. I've seen comparisons to Bosh. I don't know if he will ever be that skilled, but possibly more of a bruiser than Bosh.

With Parker and Wiggins I can't make up my mind, but if I had to choose I would go with Parker.  Seems more of a leader, and with professional training can really work on his body. 

I'm not completely sold on Embiid (don't buy the Olajuwon comparisons. Not quite as fluid or powerful an athlete.) however I take a chance on him, or wouldn't even mind a joe barry carol like trade dropping down a couple spots while also picking up another young center.

I'm drawn to Exum from that 1 game I'm seen him play last year, and highlights of him. Lol Him and Saric intrigue me but maybe that's because they more of an unknown and haven't seen the warts yet in their games.

Gordon just seems like a great glue player, and a winner.  Wouldn't mind him as a consolation prize picking 7th or 8th.

Smart is a tough player. If he could handle the point him and Bradley could be a terror on defense together, and might be a nice 3 guard rotation with Rondo.

I wouldn't want to be Ainge.  He will probably have a very tough decision with this draft.

[saltlover]

Mine is going to be different.  I'll go 20 deep.  This is not at all how I see the draft going, or best fit for C's.  It's my opinion of best player available.

1) Wiggins
2) Exum
3) Parker
4) Vonleh
5) Embiid
6) Smart
7) Gordon
Randle
9) McDermott
10 ) Saric
11) Harris
12) Stauskas
13) Kyle Anderson
14) Nurkic
15) Young
16) Ennis
17) Capela
18) TJ Warren
19) Bogdanovic
20) Rodney Hood

Care to justify why you have Embiid at #5, in particular behind Vonleh?

Simply because I think Vonleh's going to have a better career.  He's more skilled, is very athletic, and 1.5 years younger.  I have to take injury into account as well.  This is also pre-combine.  It's possible Vonleh doesn't measure as impressively as I think he will, in which case he'd probably move below Embiid for me.  I expect he'll clear 12 ft on the max vert test.  He's really the closest skillset/type to Chris Bosh that I've seen since Chris Bosh.   I think he's much more likely to become a star player than Embiid, although I agree the Embiid has the higher ceiling.

[MikeJelly]

Here's my big board
1. Wiggins (Potential Potential Potential)
2. Embiid (We need a C, Great Potential)
3. Parker (Scoring Machine, Can't help but think of Pierce, but needs better D)
4. Exum (LOVE this kid, 6'6" PG with great handles? Sign me up)
5. Smart (Love this Kids fire)
6. Gordon (Elite Defender, Free throws suspect though)
7. Saric (Even though he's a tweener, he seems like a real competitor with great skills)
8. Randle (Not a big fan but still believe he can be Zach Randolph 2.0 )
9. Vonleh (Very Raw, Good Wingspan, Very young)
10. McBuckets (Very Solid Scorer)
11. Stauskas (Elite shooter, Defensive Shortcomings though)
12. Harris
13. Nurkic
14. Lavine
15. Warren
16. Anderson
17. Young
18. Ennis

[indeedproceed]

I get the odd feeling that Lavine and McDermott will be real gems from this draft. Like a Paul Pierce type Gem.

[mmmmm]

Mine is going to be different.  I'll go 20 deep.  This is not at all how I see the draft going, or best fit for C's.  It's my opinion of best player available.

1) Wiggins
2) Exum
3) Parker
4) Vonleh
5) Embiid
6) Smart
7) Gordon
Randle
9) McDermott
10 ) Saric
11) Harris
12) Stauskas
13) Kyle Anderson
14) Nurkic
15) Young
16) Ennis
17) Capela
18) TJ Warren
19) Bogdanovic
20) Rodney Hood

Care to justify why you have Embiid at #5, in particular behind Vonleh?

Simply because I think Vonleh's going to have a better career.  He's more skilled, is very athletic, and 1.5 years younger.  I have to take injury into account as well.  This is also pre-combine.  It's possible Vonleh doesn't measure as impressively as I think he will, in which case he'd probably move below Embiid for me.  I expect he'll clear 12 ft on the max vert test.  He's really the closest skillset/type to Chris Bosh that I've seen since Chris Bosh.   I think he's much more likely to become a star player than Embiid, although I agree the Embiid has the higher ceiling.

You are not the first one to make the comparision, but other than both having rather long necks, I personally just don't see much Chris Bosh in Vonleh.

Vonleh is much, much bulkier than Bosh was or is and will likely play much stronger in the post on both ends.  He doesn't have Bosh' soft touch shot that killed from day one.   Bosh was/is a much better ball handler and has a nifty left handed shot.  Vonleh is just not nearly as skilled as Bosh was coming into the league  (That doesn't mean he won't become as skilled one day.).

It will be interesting to see how Vonleh measures out at this combine.   He's one of the handful of players who are still so young that they may have grown an inch or two this last year.   He was measured at 6' 9" w/o shoes at the Lebron James Camp last year.  If he grades out at 6' 10" w/o shoes and can hit 12 ft with his max vert, he could fly up the rankings.

[saltlover]

Mine is going to be different.  I'll go 20 deep.  This is not at all how I see the draft going, or best fit for C's.  It's my opinion of best player available.

1) Wiggins
2) Exum
3) Parker
4) Vonleh
5) Embiid
6) Smart
7) Gordon
Randle
9) McDermott
10 ) Saric
11) Harris
12) Stauskas
13) Kyle Anderson
14) Nurkic
15) Young
16) Ennis
17) Capela
18) TJ Warren
19) Bogdanovic
20) Rodney Hood

Care to justify why you have Embiid at #5, in particular behind Vonleh?

Simply because I think Vonleh's going to have a better career.  He's more skilled, is very athletic, and 1.5 years younger.  I have to take injury into account as well.  This is also pre-combine.  It's possible Vonleh doesn't measure as impressively as I think he will, in which case he'd probably move below Embiid for me.  I expect he'll clear 12 ft on the max vert test.  He's really the closest skillset/type to Chris Bosh that I've seen since Chris Bosh.   I think he's much more likely to become a star player than Embiid, although I agree the Embiid has the higher ceiling.

You are not the first one to make the comparision, but other than both having rather long necks, I personally just don't see much Chris Bosh in Vonleh.

Vonleh is much, much bulkier than Bosh was or is and will likely play much stronger in the post on both ends.  He doesn't have Bosh' soft touch shot that killed from day one.   Bosh was/is a much better ball handler and has a nifty left handed shot.  Vonleh is just not nearly as skilled as Bosh was coming into the league  (That doesn't mean he won't become as skilled one day.).

It will be interesting to see how Vonleh measures out at this combine.   He's one of the handful of players who are still so young that they may have grown an inch or two this last year.   He was measured at 6' 9" w/o shoes at the Lebron James Camp last year.  If he grades out at 6' 10" w/o shoes and can hit 12 ft with his max vert, he could fly up the rankings.

It's been a decade, so I don't really remember Chris Bosh coming out of college as well as I probably should.  Vonleh may be a little thicker, I'll grant, but I'll wait for those measurements.  He looks taller than 6'9" to me.  But Bosh plays with a lot of strength inside, despite being slender, and I think Vonleh will play the same way inside.  Neither should be classic centers -- they're definitely power forwards, who can use length and athleticism to alter shot-blocking.  Vonleh doesn't take mid-range jumpers -- he was either near the rim or behind the arc.  He shot terrifically from behind the arc, however, and not from the corner, which leads me to believe he's capable of developing a nice mid-range game if needed.  He's also a solid free-throw shooter for an 18 year-old big (71%).

Here's a link to a comparison of their freshman year stats -- I know stats aren't everything, especially comparing college freshmen a decade apart, but they compare very well (this is the first time I've actually looked at a stats comparison).

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=chris-bosh&i=1&p1=noah-vonieh

[mmmmm]

Mine is going to be different.  I'll go 20 deep.  This is not at all how I see the draft going, or best fit for C's.  It's my opinion of best player available.

1) Wiggins
2) Exum
3) Parker
4) Vonleh
5) Embiid
6) Smart
7) Gordon
Randle
9) McDermott
10 ) Saric
11) Harris
12) Stauskas
13) Kyle Anderson
14) Nurkic
15) Young
16) Ennis
17) Capela
18) TJ Warren
19) Bogdanovic
20) Rodney Hood

Care to justify why you have Embiid at #5, in particular behind Vonleh?

Simply because I think Vonleh's going to have a better career.  He's more skilled, is very athletic, and 1.5 years younger.  I have to take injury into account as well.  This is also pre-combine.  It's possible Vonleh doesn't measure as impressively as I think he will, in which case he'd probably move below Embiid for me.  I expect he'll clear 12 ft on the max vert test.  He's really the closest skillset/type to Chris Bosh that I've seen since Chris Bosh.   I think he's much more likely to become a star player than Embiid, although I agree the Embiid has the higher ceiling.

You are not the first one to make the comparision, but other than both having rather long necks, I personally just don't see much Chris Bosh in Vonleh.

Vonleh is much, much bulkier than Bosh was or is and will likely play much stronger in the post on both ends.  He doesn't have Bosh' soft touch shot that killed from day one.   Bosh was/is a much better ball handler and has a nifty left handed shot.  Vonleh is just not nearly as skilled as Bosh was coming into the league  (That doesn't mean he won't become as skilled one day.).

It will be interesting to see how Vonleh measures out at this combine.   He's one of the handful of players who are still so young that they may have grown an inch or two this last year.   He was measured at 6' 9" w/o shoes at the Lebron James Camp last year.  If he grades out at 6' 10" w/o shoes and can hit 12 ft with his max vert, he could fly up the rankings.

It's been a decade, so I don't really remember Chris Bosh coming out of college as well as I probably should.  Vonleh may be a little thicker, I'll grant, but I'll wait for those measurements.  He looks taller than 6'9" to me.  But Bosh plays with a lot of strength inside, despite being slender, and I think Vonleh will play the same way inside.  Neither should be classic centers -- they're definitely power forwards, who can use length and athleticism to alter shot-blocking.  Vonleh doesn't take mid-range jumpers -- he was either near the rim or behind the arc.  He shot terrifically from behind the arc, however, and not from the corner, which leads me to believe he's capable of developing a nice mid-range game if needed.  He's also a solid free-throw shooter for an 18 year-old big (71%).

Here's a link to a comparison of their freshman year stats -- I know stats aren't everything, especially comparing college freshmen a decade apart, but they compare very well (this is the first time I've actually looked at a stats comparison).

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=chris-bosh&i=1&p1=noah-vonieh

That's just showing they had comparable production.

I'm just pointing out that I don't see them as all that comparable in style of play.  Bosh came out as a skinny kid, maybe 220-225 lbs who did rely on his soft touch short-mid range jump shot a ton and could shoot with either hand.   Very much a classic finesse player.    Now, as he's developed, he's bulked up and has a much better post game and has extended his range out to the 3PT arc.  But even now he's probably around 240 or so.

Vonleh, as you point out, takes far fewer mid-range shots, is already a decent 3PT shooter and at 240-ish now is much bigger than Bosh was and likely could carry another 20 lbs on his frame, putting him up in the 260-ish class of big men.    Physically, I see Vonleh as having more potential as a true C than Bosh -- who is really still more of a hybrid C out of necessity.   But Vonleh is much more raw with his skills - especially his footwork and his handle - at this point than Bosh was.

[SHAQATTACK]

If we were to luck into a top three pick.....I'm not holding my breath Celtics will be here

I'd still take Parker first , then Wiggins , then Emiid. I that order for the Celtics

Fourth pick I'd probally take Exum with the above guys gone to other teams.....trade Rondo

Fifth.    Pick .....maybe the tuffest .....I guess I take Vonleh......he might be a center.

Sixth.    Really a tie with above ., but I'll take Gordon

7th pick. .... Randle

8th   ......Saric

9th.........Smart

10th......Stauskas


I wouldn't want to be Danny.......5 though 10 ....the place we are likely to draw ....is gonna be tuff ....hereo s will be made here and .....maybe some classic bust s of all time.


I think realistically our pick will wind up being Randle , Exum, Gordon , or Vonleh.......just not a clue who DA will take .....will be a defining moment in Celtic modern history.

[Evantime34]

1. Embiid
2. Parker
3. Wiggins
4. Exum
5. Gordon
6. Smart
7. Randle
8. Vonleh
9. McDermott
10. Nurkic
11. Harris
12. Stauskas
13. Saric
14. Young
15. Hairston
16. Payne
17. Hood

If we use both our picks and don't get two from this list I will be disappointed.

[loco_91]

Mine is going to be different.  I'll go 20 deep.  This is not at all how I see the draft going, or best fit for C's.  It's my opinion of best player available.

1) Wiggins
2) Exum
3) Parker
4) Vonleh
5) Embiid
6) Smart
7) Gordon
Randle
9) McDermott
10 ) Saric
11) Harris
12) Stauskas
13) Kyle Anderson
14) Nurkic
15) Young
16) Ennis
17) Capela
18) TJ Warren
19) Bogdanovic
20) Rodney Hood

Care to justify why you have Embiid at #5, in particular behind Vonleh?

Simply because I think Vonleh's going to have a better career.  He's more skilled, is very athletic, and 1.5 years younger.  I have to take injury into account as well.  This is also pre-combine.  It's possible Vonleh doesn't measure as impressively as I think he will, in which case he'd probably move below Embiid for me.  I expect he'll clear 12 ft on the max vert test.  He's really the closest skillset/type to Chris Bosh that I've seen since Chris Bosh.   I think he's much more likely to become a star player than Embiid, although I agree the Embiid has the higher ceiling.

Have to disagree with all of that, except possibly the Bosh comparison. Embiid is much more athletic and more skilled, too. Vonleh is a better shooter, but he lacks post moves and defensive instincts at this point.