Rockets Owner tips Morey's hand?

[pokeKingCurtis]

We could take both Lin and Asik off their payroll, without sending much money back, so long as we broke the deal up into two trades.

Trade 1: Jeremy Lin (8.3 mill)   <-->  Pierce Trade Exception

Trade 2: Omer Asik (8.3 mill)  <---> Keith Bogans (5 million****), Vitor Faverani (2 million)

****: bogans contract is non-guaranteed, so the rockets can just waive him and his salary is gone.


That would be that basic structure of a Houston salary dump deal, i think. You may see us give up one of our picks that aren't very good (76ers pick, ideally). But we would have to give up LESS for Asik, because we are willing to take on the contract of Jeremy Lin.

Yeah, I think this is more accurate.

I think it's a little unrealistic to expect Asik+Lin and additional compensation for simply taking those two guys.

It's kind of like the situation with the Clippers last year. Except less dire.

The Clippers were desperate. Chris Paul was about to bolt. They had a golden opportunity with us. They had a choice between being relevant or falling back to obscurity.

We had nothing to lose.

Eventually, of course, Ainge got a first round pick out of Doc freaking Rivers.



Once again, we have nothing to lose.

For the Rockets, Dwight's health is a concern. You always want to strike while the iron is hot in the NBA as you never know what's going to happen. There may not be another opportunity like Melo in the Dwight-Harden era Rockets.

At the very least I hope Ainge doesn't give up anything of significance (or better yet, anything at all).

[aporel#18]

We could take both Lin and Asik off their payroll, without sending much money back, so long as we broke the deal up into two trades.

Trade 1: Jeremy Lin (8.3 mill)   <-->  Pierce Trade Exception

Trade 2: Omer Asik (8.3 mill)  <---> Keith Bogans (5 million****), Vitor Faverani (2 million)

****: bogans contract is non-guaranteed, so the rockets can just waive him and his salary is gone.


That would be that basic structure of a Houston salary dump deal, i think. You may see us give up one of our picks that aren't very good (76ers pick, ideally). But we would have to give up LESS for Asik, because we are willing to take on the contract of Jeremy Lin.

Yeah, I think this is more accurate.

I think it's a little unrealistic to expect Asik+Lin and additional compensation for simply taking those two guys.

It's kind of like the situation with the Clippers last year. Except less dire.

The Clippers were desperate. Chris Paul was about to bolt. They had a golden opportunity with us. They had a choice between being relevant or falling back to obscurity.

We had nothing to lose.

Eventually, of course, Ainge got a first round pick out of Doc freaking Rivers.



Once again, we have nothing to lose.

For the Rockets, Dwight's health is a concern. You always want to strike while the iron is hot in the NBA as you never know what's going to happen. There may not be another opportunity like Melo in the Dwight-Harden era Rockets.

At the very least I hope Ainge doesn't give up anything of significance (or better yet, anything at all).

This. Why would we give anything to the Rockets for helping them to solve their salary cap mess? No way, we don't need to take on 30M (16.8 counting against the cap, I know... but the rest is still an awful lot of money) but Morey needs to clean his "genius" signings from 2 offseasons ago, where he outsmarted himself.

If they want to clean the books, they have to compensate the Cs. Ask for the moon, we won't be losing anything and we should not give up anything, as pokeKingCurtis wrote. If he finds a better offer, more power to him, congratulations.

[BleedGreen1989]

We could take both Lin and Asik off their payroll, without sending much money back, so long as we broke the deal up into two trades.

Trade 1: Jeremy Lin (8.3 mill)   <-->  Pierce Trade Exception

Trade 2: Omer Asik (8.3 mill)  <---> Keith Bogans (5 million****), Vitor Faverani (2 million)

****: bogans contract is non-guaranteed, so the rockets can just waive him and his salary is gone.


That would be that basic structure of a Houston salary dump deal, i think. You may see us give up one of our picks that aren't very good (76ers pick, ideally). But we would have to give up LESS for Asik, because we are willing to take on the contract of Jeremy Lin.

Yeah, I think this is more accurate.

I think it's a little unrealistic to expect Asik+Lin and additional compensation for simply taking those two guys.

It's kind of like the situation with the Clippers last year. Except less dire.

The Clippers were desperate. Chris Paul was about to bolt. They had a golden opportunity with us. They had a choice between being relevant or falling back to obscurity.

We had nothing to lose.

Eventually, of course, Ainge got a first round pick out of Doc freaking Rivers.



Once again, we have nothing to lose.

For the Rockets, Dwight's health is a concern. You always want to strike while the iron is hot in the NBA as you never know what's going to happen. There may not be another opportunity like Melo in the Dwight-Harden era Rockets.

At the very least I hope Ainge doesn't give up anything of significance (or better yet, anything at all).

This. Why would we give anything to the Rockets for helping them to solve their salary cap mess? No way, we don't need to take on 30M (16.8 counting against the cap, I know... but the rest is still an awful lot of money) but Morey needs to clean his "genius" signings from 2 offseasons ago, where he outsmarted himself.

If they want to clean the books, they have to compensate the Cs. Ask for the moon, we won't be losing anything and we should not give up anything, as pokeKingCurtis wrote. If he finds a better offer, more power to him, congratulations.

Well I personally would really like Asik on this roster. So if Morey found a better deal, I'd be disappointed.

If the only "payment" for Asik is taking Lin, I'd be more than okay with that deal.

[chambers]

Again, the idea of giving up assets to let Morey off the cap cliff he's created is insane.
I understand people want Asik but remember he's an unrestricted free agent at seasons end.
We shouldn't be giving them ANYTHING because there really aren't any other teams that will be able to take on that salary. The Knicks can take some back if they use Lin+Asik to move Melo but the Knicks will want Parsons+ Beverly AND picks.

Much tougher to get done than moving Asik and Lin to us.
I think we should be asking for more in return for doing Morey the favor.
Making this trade is far less appealing when we don't have a star in place because Asik & Lin just give us another 5-10 wins and hurt our 15' draft odds. (Unless we trade Rondo).

It lets Sully play PF but we can draft a big with our nets pick and do the same thing while securing another top 5 pick.

[BleedGreen1989]

Again, the idea of giving up assets to let Morey off the cap cliff he's created is insane.
I understand people want Asik but remember he's an unrestricted free agent at seasons end.
We shouldn't be giving them ANYTHING because there really aren't any other teams that will be able to take on that salary. The Knicks can take some back if they use Lin+Asik to move Melo but the Knicks will want Parsons+ Beverly AND picks.

Much tougher to get done than moving Asik and Lin to us.
I think we should be asking for more in return for doing Morey the favor.
Making this trade is far less appealing when we don't have a star in place because Asik & Lin just give us another 5-10 wins and hurt our 15' draft odds. (Unless we trade Rondo).

It lets Sully play PF but we can draft a big with our nets pick and do the same thing while securing another top 5 pick.

There will be numerous teams this summer with ample cap space.

I guess if you don't want to add players because you're already thinking about lottery position for 2015 then there isn't really much discussion to have.

[BleedGreen1989]

Another interesting quote right from the horse's mouth...

[Lucky17]

Another interesting quote right from the horse's mouth...

I don't get how they can create max room AND have the MLE. That's a lot.

If Morey thinks he can do it, wow.

[BleedGreen1989]

Another interesting quote right from the horse's mouth...

I don't get how they can create max room AND have the MLE. That's a lot.

If Morey thinks he can do it, wow.

I just don't think I've ever heard a FO be so dang open about player personnel moves looming.

[BballTim]

Another interesting quote right from the horse's mouth...

I don't get how they can create max room AND have the MLE. That's a lot.

If Morey thinks he can do it, wow.

  I thought the MLE was for teams that were over the cap. Unless they really changed the CBA you won't get both.

[Who]

Another interesting quote right from the horse's mouth...

I don't get how they can create max room AND have the MLE. That's a lot.

If Morey thinks he can do it, wow.

  I thought the MLE was for teams that were over the cap. Unless they really changed the CBA you won't get both.

They changed it in new CBA. Felt it was previously unfair to teams with cap space. So allowed them to have exceptions after they spend their cap space.

[Roy H.]

Another interesting quote right from the horse's mouth...

I don't get how they can create max room AND have the MLE. That's a lot.

If Morey thinks he can do it, wow.

  I thought the MLE was for teams that were over the cap. Unless they really changed the CBA you won't get both.

They changed it in new CBA. Felt it was previously unfair to teams with cap space. So allowed them to have exceptions after they spend their cap space.

Sort of. 

The "mid-level" Morey may be talking about is the "Room" exception.  It's a pretty small exception, limited to 2 years and around $2.7 million per year.

It's flat-out not possible for the Rockets to use the bi-annual exception if they're utilizing cap room, though.