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What i've learned from watching the Nets this year.
« on: May 06, 2014, 10:20:11 PM »

Offline perks-a-beast

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What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker.
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing.
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are.
9. Plumlee will be really good. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward.
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.

Re: What i've learned from watching the Nets this year.
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Don't agree with all, but the "Plumlee will be really good" comment really stood out. The guy is extremely limited offensively and very robotic in his movements. In fact, I can't say I've seen him actually improve offensively in the last 3 years. He's also an older rookie (already 24) so that too limits his upside. He'll be a decent player, but never "really good" and no way do I take him over Olynyk if I had to do it over again.

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What I've learned:

The trade we pulled off with them will go down as one of the best in pro sports since the Dallas Cowboys traded Herschel Walker.


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What I've learned:

The trade we pulled off with them will go down as one of the best in pro sports since the Dallas Cowboys traded Herschel Walker.

Depends on what those draft picks turn into.  If they turn out to be busts, then we traded PP and KG for Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries.  Which would still go down as one of the best in pro sports... but just in favor of the other team.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 10:51:22 PM »

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What I've learned:

The trade we pulled off with them will go down as one of the best in pro sports since the Dallas Cowboys traded Herschel Walker.

Depends on what those draft picks turn into.  If they turn out to be busts, then we traded PP and KG for Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries.  Which would still go down as one of the best in pro sports... but just in favor of the other team.

3 first rd draft picks (14, 16, 18) and an option to swap in 2017...I like our chances.

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I don't think the trade will be the same type of steal that Dallas got for Walker, but it will absolutely end up in the Celtics favor. KG is toast, Paul Pierce is a free agent this summer, D. Williams hasn't been the same since he left Utah under Jerry Sloan, Joe Johnson has the most overpaid cap crushing contracts in all of the NBA, and in they have no legitimate prospects.

The Celtics could very well get two lottery picks out of this deal.

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Yeah, KG is, unfortunately, toast. Played only 16 minutes tonight and may as well have played 0. He's got very little, if anything, left.
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Re: What i've learned from watching the Nets this year.
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 11:41:45 PM »

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What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker.
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing.
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are.
9. Plumlee will be really good. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward.
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.

that's pretty accurate. while I haven't watched a lot of nets games this yr. I have watched some.

KG is a shell of himself. I almost wish pierce hadn't convinced him to play another year... almost.

I disagree with 2. I think lopez dramatically changes this team.

I've thought D. Will has been overrated for yrs. hard to believe some said this guy was better than rondo at one point.

funny you mention pierce and Johnson meshing as that was the reason pitino traded Johnson.

kirilenko, I have no idea what the hell happened to this guy but the last 6 - 7 yrs. he's been employed on reputation alone.

#8, classic example of role players being asked to do too much.

 

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I disagree that Blatche is meh. He is solid on the boards, in transition, ball handling and around the bucket. Plums has had his moments but he's not playing well right now. KG isn't the answer either. Nets have to go to Blatche, Teletovic as their big man tandem. Then rotate PP, JJ, Deron, Livingston and sprinkle AA, KG, Plums and  Marcus.

As a team, they're way too fragile / inconsistent to win the series ... but if the right guys get hot and Kidd pulls the right strings they can maybe make it interesting. Glad they at least get the shot. Not sure if the Raps woulda been the tougher out ...

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What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker.
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing.
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are.
9. Plumlee will be really good. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward.
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.

that's pretty accurate. while I haven't watched a lot of nets games this yr. I have watched some.

KG is a shell of himself. I almost wish pierce hadn't convinced him to play another year... almost.

I disagree with 2. I think lopez dramatically changes this team.

I've thought D. Will has been overrated for yrs. hard to believe some said this guy was better than rondo at one point.

funny you mention pierce and Johnson meshing as that was the reason pitino traded Johnson.

kirilenko, I have no idea what the hell happened to this guy but the last 6 - 7 yrs. he's been employed on reputation alone.

#8, classic example of role players being asked to do too much.

Pitino didnt trade Johnson, he didnt even draft him.  Wallace/Jim O'Brien did, and it was because they thought Kedrick Brown had the higher ceiling.
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What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker.
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing.
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are.
9. Plumlee will be really good. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward.
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.

lopez would have stopped bosh not on rebounding but paint protection that they really need
and you know what? jason collins would be your best positional defender, but they should have signed hamed haddadi  for paint protection, or gamble on fesenko on the 5

d-will problem is he needs to be like rondo on playoffs 10+ assist per game
terry or thorton come playoffs? i don't know and i'm not sure
and guiterrez? they should have gamble on arenas or gibson or telfair,

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i believed on jason kidd, with good line-up they can beat the heat in 6 or 7

since kg can't catched up woth bosh hitting 3's i'd rather put blatche on him,
and since kg is getting 16 minutes awful per game, i'd rather bring kg from the bench

to beat the heat you should have a good line-up it matters a lot

i can move kg back to pf never mind kg guarding battier or haslem or lebron at pf
this is where kg should have guarded amir johnson, jason collins can be on valenciunas

williams vs chalmers
johnson vs wade
pierce vs lebron
kg vs haslem
blatche or collins vs bosh

never mind rebounding and kg gives a huge height advantage at PF

on the 2nd unit

livingston or anderson vs cole (height advantage and defense)
anderson or thorton vs allen
kirilenko vs battier
mirza vs lewis or beasley or battier or lebron
plumlee or blatche or collins vs birdman

small ball line-up will not work againt's miami heat's speed and perimeter defenses
raptors might beat them speed vs speed

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2014, 01:46:40 AM »

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What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker.
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing.
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are.
9. Plumlee will be really good. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward.
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.

I literally went on Nets Daily the other day and said "Celtics fan here- No offense, but Jason Kidd is the dumbest coach I've ever seen."

Really, this guy is drawing ridiculous plays and rotations. He's been utilizing KG so less. The moment he whispered "hit me" as a player bumps into him on a timeout during a game in the regular season that's when his coaching problems have been exposed.


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What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker.
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing.
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are.
9. Plumlee will be really good. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward.
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.

That's a pretty good list .

I just conclude the Celtics would have been about the same or worse as this years Nets without the trade out .  KG is just too old and slow.

Lastly I think Lopez would have have made a big difference this year.   But by next year ,  KG is retired and PP will be just a shell of himself and even Joe Johnson is looking long in the tooth at this point.,  just a shooter .

Please no more lets get Blatche. Threads ...he sucks.

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Agree with most of this and I took your post and made some changes that fit what I saw.


What I've learned from watching the Nets this season, specifically this post season...

1. KG's career is over.
2. Pierce can still ball but needs to sign somewhere where he'll have an actual shot at getting another ring. Even with Lopez, Nets can't contend.
3. 90 games in and Jason Kidd still has no idea how to coach this team (The fact that he'll probably be keeping his job and Mark Jackson will not makes my head spin).
4. Deron Williams should not even be mentioned in the same breath as elite point guards like CP3 and Tony Parker. (The best point on here I think!!! Always been vastly overrated).
5. Joe Johnson can still get it done but really does not mesh well with Pierce.
6. Kirilenko was a really overrated signing. (Possibly, but also think he has been under utilized by kidd. AK47 has been a great role player in his career).
7. Marcus Thornton is vastly overpaid.
8. Livingston, Anderson and Teletovic are alright but should not be playing as much as they are. (I like Livingston and am glad he was finally healthy. I honestly like Livingston as the starting point with this team over Williams)
9. Plumlee will be [a] really good [role player]. Nets are lucky to have him and Lopez as their young front court moving forward. (I don't see him being a starting center anywhere but he could give a good team 20 minutes a night down the line.)
10. Blatche is meh. Don't know how much attention he'll get in the free agent market.
11. Again, Jason Kidd has no business coaching in the NBA.