Not resigning AB and playing Green at the SG spot

[slamtheking]

Jeff Green simply does not have the ball handling skills to be a 2 guard.  After the point guard, the 2 guard should be your best ball handler.  He has inadequate ball handling skills even for a small forward, which is why he has such a difficult time creating space to get a high percentage shot. His offense consists almost exclusively of 3 pointers, foul shots, and transition baskets.  I would bet the vast majority of his points come from those 3 categories.

Jeff is a better ball handler than Avery.

Jeff Green simply does not have the ball handling skills to be a 2 guard.  After the point guard, the 2 guard should be your best ball handler.  He has inadequate ball handling skills even for a small forward, which is why he has such a difficult time creating space to get a high percentage shot. His offense consists almost exclusively of 3 pointers, foul shots, and transition baskets.  I would bet the vast majority of his points come from those 3 categories.

Jeff is a better ball handler than Avery.

while that may be true, it speaks more to Avery's lack of ball-handling ability than Jeff's ball-handling ability. 

an analogy would be Rondo having 20/10 vision, Jeff Green being color-blind and Avery's seeing eye dog needing a seeing eye dog.

[CFAN38]

Early in the season Stevens started Green at the 2 and wallace at the 3. The team obviously didnt have sucess but I think Green Green was fine as a SG.

If the Cs can upgrade their starting lineup by adding a SF who is more talented then AB then I'm fine with Green at the 2. He will not be a all nba performer on defense at the position but should be comparable to the other bigger SGs in the league. Converting Green to SG may be the best coarse of action if the Cs get lucky and end up with Parker in the draft. By drafting Parker and resigning AB the Cs would have a talented 3 man rotation at on the wing. AB would come off the bench (get about 26 mpg) at the 2 and Green ( about 32-35 mpg) could float between 2-3. Parker would start at the 3 and play some small ball 4 (32-35 mpg). Leaving Pressy or another pure PG with 12min per game that Rondo isn't on the court and Chris Johnson to fill the remaining few wing minutes.

With time this may actually be his best fit in the NBA. What many people don't realize with Green is that he is in fact a "small 6'9". What I mean by that is he measured in at 6'7.75" tall without shoes but only has a 8'7 standing reach. By comparison Bass measured 6'6.25" W/O shoes but has a 8'10.5" reach,  Sully measured 6'7.75" w/o shoes and has a 6'9.5" reach. Lance Stephenson measured 6'4.5 but has the same 8'7" standing reach as Green. Dwyane Wade even has a 8'6' reach.

 

[Tr1boy]

Green doesnt have a great wingspan nor reach. His wingspan is like 6'9

With the news ab is not going to be offered the same deal as before , imo this is the best chance to give jg a go at the sg position

Draft wiggins, gordon or parker and place them as sfs. Lineup if we dont get a rim protector but hopefully sully and ko come into great shape


Pf- sully
Pf- ko
Sf - parker, wiggins, gordon
Sg- green
Pg- rondo

Id like to see what this lineup can do. Pick up stiemnsma and hopefully the 17th pick can be stauskus or warren (scorers)  for bench depth

[Fred Roberts]

I like the idea.

If we can nab Avery at a Perkins type 2nd contract (~ 4 years / $16M), take it. If he thinks he's worth more, he's going to be unpleasantly surprised . . .

Regardless, does this premise of Green at the 2 assume we get a lotto pick to man the 3 in the draft (Gordon, Parker or Wiggins)? That would leave Wallace / lotto pick at the 3 and still leave a gaping hole at C (w/ Faverani as backup).

Praying for Embiid to the C's.

[footey]

What is Green going to be able to accomplish at the 2 guard position that he could not accomplish at the small forward position?  He is the same guy.  It seems like the only reason to move him there is because he has failed to excel at the 4 (no surprise) or the 3 (head scratching).  And I disagree as to Green being a better ball handler than Avery Bradley.

[kozlodoev]

What is Green going to be able to accomplish at the 2 guard position that he could not accomplish at the small forward position?  He is the same guy.  It seems like the only reason to move him there is because he has failed to excel at the 4 (no surprise) or the 3 (head scratching).  And I disagree as to Green being a better ball handler than Avery Bradley.

What Green is going to accomplish is "being the same guy". Which means he'll give you a serviceable SG while opening the SF position for a player superior to Avery Bradley. This move would not be made for Green, it would be made for whoever you put in at SF.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Jeff Green simply does not have the ball handling skills to be a 2 guard.  After the point guard, the 2 guard should be your best ball handler.  He has inadequate ball handling skills even for a small forward, which is why he has such a difficult time creating space to get a high percentage shot. His offense consists almost exclusively of 3 pointers, foul shots, and transition baskets.  I would bet the vast majority of his points come from those 3 categories.

Jeff is a better ball handler than Avery.

Jeff Green simply does not have the ball handling skills to be a 2 guard.  After the point guard, the 2 guard should be your best ball handler.  He has inadequate ball handling skills even for a small forward, which is why he has such a difficult time creating space to get a high percentage shot. His offense consists almost exclusively of 3 pointers, foul shots, and transition baskets.  I would bet the vast majority of his points come from those 3 categories.

Jeff is a better ball handler than Avery.

while that may be true, it speaks more to Avery's lack of ball-handling ability than Jeff's ball-handling ability. 

an analogy would be Rondo having 20/10 vision, Jeff Green being color-blind and Avery's seeing eye dog needing a seeing eye dog.

Seeing-eye dog loses both eyes, owner gets another to see for them all.

[Boris Badenov]

I'd like to hear Uncle Jeff's opinion on this. Would he rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward in the league, or the worst-passing shooting guard in the league?

[LooseCannon]

I'd like to hear Uncle Jeff's opinion on this. Would he rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward in the league, or the worst-passing shooting guard in the league?

He'd rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward because he knows that not true and he can ignore people who apparently have never heard of Corey Brewer.

[Celtics18]

I'd like to hear Uncle Jeff's opinion on this. Would he rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward in the league, or the worst-passing shooting guard in the league?

He'd rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward because he knows that not true and he can ignore people who apparently have never heard of Corey Brewer.

Who's Corey Brewer?

[Boris Badenov]

I'd like to hear Uncle Jeff's opinion on this. Would he rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward in the league, or the worst-passing shooting guard in the league?

He'd rather be considered the worst-rebounding small forward because he knows that not true and he can ignore people who apparently have never heard of Corey Brewer.

Haha. I knew someone would bring up Brewer. I guess it's settled then.

[mmmmm]

Green doesnt have a great wingspan nor reach. His wingspan is like 6'9

Jeff Green's wingspan was measured at the combine as 7' 1.25".

His standing reach was 8' 7".

His no step vertical was 33.5".

His max vertical was 38".

To assert he doesn't have great wingspan or reach is ... not correct.

[mmmmm]

Early in the season Stevens started Green at the 2 and wallace at the 3. The team obviously didnt have sucess but I think Green Green was fine as a SG.

If the Cs can upgrade their starting lineup by adding a SF who is more talented then AB then I'm fine with Green at the 2. He will not be a all nba performer on defense at the position but should be comparable to the other bigger SGs in the league. Converting Green to SG may be the best coarse of action if the Cs get lucky and end up with Parker in the draft. By drafting Parker and resigning AB the Cs would have a talented 3 man rotation at on the wing. AB would come off the bench (get about 26 mpg) at the 2 and Green ( about 32-35 mpg) could float between 2-3. Parker would start at the 3 and play some small ball 4 (32-35 mpg). Leaving Pressy or another pure PG with 12min per game that Rondo isn't on the court and Chris Johnson to fill the remaining few wing minutes.

With time this may actually be his best fit in the NBA. What many people don't realize with Green is that he is in fact a "small 6'9". What I mean by that is he measured in at 6'7.75" tall without shoes but only has a 8'7 standing reach. By comparison Bass measured 6'6.25" W/O shoes but has a 8'10.5" reach,  Sully measured 6'7.75" w/o shoes and has a 6'9.5" reach. Lance Stephenson measured 6'4.5 but has the same 8'7" standing reach as Green. Dwyane Wade even has a 8'6' reach.

I like your basic idea but I disagree with your selective comparisons of measurements.   At the small forward position, Green is by no means 'small'.   Other than Kevin Durant (freakishly 6' 9" w/o shoes and a 7' 4.75" wingspan), there are actually very few SF's in the league who are much longer than Green (6' 7.75" w/o shoes, 7' 1.25"  wingspan).

Carmelo is only 6' 6.25" w/o shoes, with a 7' wingspan.   
Paul Pierce is 6' 6" w/o shoes.     
Lebron is 6' 7.25" w/o shoes with a 7' 0.25" wingspan.
Paul George is 6' 7.75" w/o shoes with a 6' 11.25" wingspan.

I could go on with a more exhaustive list but those names should make the point.  Green is by no means "small" for the SF position.    I'm not sure why you are including Bass and Sully, who are not SFs in the comparison.    All you are saying about Stephenson and Wade there is that they have freakishly long wingspans for SGs, not that Green is small or lacking length for an SF.

It's great that Stephenson has the same standing reach as Green.  Green's max vertical was 5" higher though...

Returning to your basic idea though, I do like the idea that if we draft Parker or Wiggins that we put either of them in the wings with Rondo & Green, whether that means moving Green to the SG spot or leaving him at SF and playing Wiggins at SG (who I think would become an absolute nightmare for opposing SGs on both ends of the court).

You could also consider this if they draft Gordon.

Basically, if they draft any of Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Smart or Gordon, a case could be made for letting Avery walk.   At a minimum, one of those picks lowers his negotiating leverage.

[bleedGREENdon]

Championship in 2 years

Rondo
wiggins
green
aldrdige
gasol

more reasonable

rondo
wiggins
green
Sully
Marc Gasol


or swap jabari parker for wiggins
I really dont want embiid when we could pick up gasol or aldridge , one of them will leave their team and want max dollars. Celtics will be ready to contend then and have cap space in 2015

re sign rondo for a team friendly deal 2015 if he really wants to win a chip, if not draft kyle anderson or shabazz napier 2nd round and get them ready for 2015

So many possibilities so manyyyy possibilites with this team, Danny ainge knows we need to beat Lebron to win a championship, he isnt going to set up a championship team unless he knows we have the pieces to beat lebron.

[CFAN38]

Early in the season Stevens started Green at the 2 and wallace at the 3. The team obviously didnt have sucess but I think Green Green was fine as a SG.

If the Cs can upgrade their starting lineup by adding a SF who is more talented then AB then I'm fine with Green at the 2. He will not be a all nba performer on defense at the position but should be comparable to the other bigger SGs in the league. Converting Green to SG may be the best coarse of action if the Cs get lucky and end up with Parker in the draft. By drafting Parker and resigning AB the Cs would have a talented 3 man rotation at on the wing. AB would come off the bench (get about 26 mpg) at the 2 and Green ( about 32-35 mpg) could float between 2-3. Parker would start at the 3 and play some small ball 4 (32-35 mpg). Leaving Pressy or another pure PG with 12min per game that Rondo isn't on the court and Chris Johnson to fill the remaining few wing minutes.

With time this may actually be his best fit in the NBA. What many people don't realize with Green is that he is in fact a "small 6'9". What I mean by that is he measured in at 6'7.75" tall without shoes but only has a 8'7 standing reach. By comparison Bass measured 6'6.25" W/O shoes but has a 8'10.5" reach,  Sully measured 6'7.75" w/o shoes and has a 6'9.5" reach. Lance Stephenson measured 6'4.5 but has the same 8'7" standing reach as Green. Dwyane Wade even has a 8'6' reach.

I like your basic idea but I disagree with your selective comparisons of measurements.   At the small forward position, Green is by no means 'small'.   Other than Kevin Durant (freakishly 6' 9" w/o shoes and a 7' 4.75" wingspan), there are actually very few SF's in the league who are much longer than Green (6' 7.75" w/o shoes, 7' 1.25"  wingspan).

Carmelo is only 6' 6.25" w/o shoes, with a 7' wingspan.   
Paul Pierce is 6' 6" w/o shoes.     
Lebron is 6' 7.25" w/o shoes with a 7' 0.25" wingspan.
Paul George is 6' 7.75" w/o shoes with a 6' 11.25" wingspan.

I could go on with a more exhaustive list but those names should make the point.  Green is by no means "small" for the SF position.    I'm not sure why you are including Bass and Sully, who are not SFs in the comparison.    All you are saying about Stephenson and Wade there is that they have freakishly long wingspans for SGs, not that Green is small or lacking length for an SF.

It's great that Stephenson has the same standing reach as Green.  Green's max vertical was 5" higher though...

The measurement of the top of a players head has little effect on their abilities on the court. Standing reach is a superior measurement to height.

Standing reaches of players you listed
C Anthony 8'9.5"
P Pierce " not listed"
L James 8'10.25"
P George 8' 11"


The above players are all have taller standing reaches then Greens 8'7". I previously listed Sully and Bass to show how two players of similar height to Green have greater standing reaches. My point with all this was to show that while Green is viewed as a big 6'9 SF he actually is more comparable in size to smaller 6'6-6'7 wing players. This is possibly the single biggest reason that Green struggled so much defending the 4 in the past. He simply isnt as big as perceived.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=3&sort=6

take the above link and sort the SFs by standing reach, you will find that Green is in the bottom 3rd of the data base.

Also

Harden 8'7.5"
T Evans 8'8"
j Johnson 8'9"
T Allen 8'6"
J Wall 8'5.5"