Boozer from Chicago with a first rounder this year

[saltlover]

I feel like if this would go down Chicago and NY would just work something out together especially if the Knicks could get two first round picks this year since they are completely drained of them for quite sometime. With them both being an expiring at least they get something for Melo.

Knicks trade: Melo

Bulls trade: Boozer (expiring), Dunleavy (expiring to make salary match), JButler, pick 16 and pick 19.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2w9plt

Works in the trade checker as of this season but I'm not sure if the bulls would have to send over one more salary filler or not.

Bulls go into next year with Rose, Snell or FA guard, Melo, Gibson, Noah.

Knicks kinda wash in 14-15 but have: Felton, shumpert, butler, boozer, chandler with amare, shumpert bargs, 16 and 19.... (which really isnt super terrible for the east). and then between bargs, amare, boozer, chandler theyd have almost 60 mil coming off the books to throw at FAs and young role players of shumpert, butler, the 16th and 19th picks.

Money matters.  Boozer is expensive.

Lets look at your trade from the Knicks perspective:

If they got Boozer, Dunleavy, and Butler, their team salary next year would be the following, assuming they signed their two draft picks for slot-level deals, signed no other free agents, and released their non-guaranteed players, for a total roster of 13 players:

$89,684,404

Assuming the luxury tax line of $77 million as recently reported, this would cost New York an extra $35 million in luxury tax dollars.  Salary and luxury tax combined gets you to near $125 million, for a team that you probably want to miss the playoffs for a better draft pick.  I know Dolan is rich and crazy, but is he that rich and crazy?  That's a lot of money to spend on a terrible team.

Alternatively, if the Knicks can get a pick or two for Melo, but take on no salary, they could keep salary in the $70-$75 million range, and out of the luxury tax.  I'm not sure two picks and Jimmy  Butler is worth $50-55 million.  In my mind, it definitely makes sense to try to get a pick for Melo, but asking for too much is going to cost a lot of dollars.  It's why there's room for a third team to step in.   I don't know if that team is the Celtics or not, but it makes a lot of sense for NY to find another dance partner.

EDIT for math error:

[Lucky17]

Am I missing something? I thought the Bulls could amnesty Boozer, in which case they'd have room for Carmelo without giving up one or both of this year's first rounders.

They would create a lot of cap room by amnestying Boozer, but probably not enough to sign Melo unless he's willing to take about 35%-40% less than some teams will offer him.  I could see Melo being willing to take a small discount, but probably no more than 10% (which is $2 million per year).  Even if they were to draft foreign players who weren't coming over to the States (so they didn't have cap holds for the 1st rounders), Chicago would have approximately $14 million in cap space after amnestying Boozer.  Melo's max salary is over $22 million.  Chicago's going to need to either a) use draft picks to move other payroll, which would further deplete their roster, or b) get Melo via a sign-and-trade.  If NY doesn't want to take on Boozer's salary, they're going to need to find someone else who will be wiling.

Dumping Gibson would be counterproductive. But Chicago could probably find a taker for Dunleavy (another $3.3 mil slashed).

Rose, Noah, Gibson, Snell, Butler, and Rip Hamilton's dead money amount to about $43 mil. You'd have to add back in min cap holds for the other open roster slots. Anthony would be accepting a new contract whose base year salary would certainly be less than $22 million.

[saltlover]

Am I missing something? I thought the Bulls could amnesty Boozer, in which case they'd have room for Carmelo without giving up one or both of this year's first rounders.

They would create a lot of cap room by amnestying Boozer, but probably not enough to sign Melo unless he's willing to take about 35%-40% less than some teams will offer him.  I could see Melo being willing to take a small discount, but probably no more than 10% (which is $2 million per year).  Even if they were to draft foreign players who weren't coming over to the States (so they didn't have cap holds for the 1st rounders), Chicago would have approximately $14 million in cap space after amnestying Boozer.  Melo's max salary is over $22 million.  Chicago's going to need to either a) use draft picks to move other payroll, which would further deplete their roster, or b) get Melo via a sign-and-trade.  If NY doesn't want to take on Boozer's salary, they're going to need to find someone else who will be wiling.

Dumping Gibson would be counterproductive. But Chicago could probably find a taker for Dunleavy (another $3.3 mil slashed).

Rose, Noah, Gibson, Snell, Butler, and Rip Hamilton's dead money amount to about $43 mil. You'd have to add back in min cap holds for the other open roster slots. Anthony would be accepting a new contract whose base year salary would certainly be less than $22 million.

But if you dump Dunleavy, you're still only getting to the $16-$17 million range for year one.  And that's also assuming you draft foreign players who aren't coming over next year.  New York is going to offer him $22.4 million in year one.  That's a lot of money to leave on the table.  You see stars leave the 5th year or larger raises on the table when they go elsewhere -- maybe even up to a million in starting salary.  But I don't think you'll see a player leave those kinds of dollars on the table when switching teams.

[pearljammer10]

I feel like if this would go down Chicago and NY would just work something out together especially if the Knicks could get two first round picks this year since they are completely drained of them for quite sometime. With them both being an expiring at least they get something for Melo.

Knicks trade: Melo

Bulls trade: Boozer (expiring), Dunleavy (expiring to make salary match), JButler, pick 16 and pick 19.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2w9plt

Works in the trade checker as of this season but I'm not sure if the bulls would have to send over one more salary filler or not.

Bulls go into next year with Rose, Snell or FA guard, Melo, Gibson, Noah.

Knicks kinda wash in 14-15 but have: Felton, shumpert, butler, boozer, chandler with amare, shumpert bargs, 16 and 19.... (which really isnt super terrible for the east). and then between bargs, amare, boozer, chandler theyd have almost 60 mil coming off the books to throw at FAs and young role players of shumpert, butler, the 16th and 19th picks.

Money matters.  Boozer is expensive.

Lets look at your trade from the Knicks perspective:

If they got Boozer, Dunleavy, and Butler, their team salary next year would be the following, assuming they signed their two draft picks for slot-level deals, signed no other free agents, and released their non-guaranteed players, for a total roster of 13 players:

$89,684,404

Assuming the luxury tax line of $77 million as recently reported, this would cost New York an extra $35 million in luxury tax dollars.  Salary and luxury tax combined gets you to near $125 million, for a team that you probably want to miss the playoffs for a better draft pick.  I know Dolan is rich and crazy, but is he that rich and crazy?  That's a lot of money to spend on a terrible team.

Alternatively, if the Knicks can get a pick or two for Melo, but take on no salary, they could keep salary in the $70-$75 million range, and out of the luxury tax.  I'm not sure two picks and Jimmy  Butler is worth $50-55 million.  In my mind, it definitely makes sense to try to get a pick for Melo, but asking for too much is going to cost a lot of dollars.  It's why there's room for a third team to step in.   I don't know if that team is the Celtics or not, but it makes a lot of sense for NY to find another dance partner.

EDIT for math error:

And if they don't trade Melo (which is a possibility) then they only have 10 players on their roster and are already at 91.2 million.

With Dunleavy, Butler, Boozer and two first rounders coming in that bumps them up to 14 players on their roster equaling around the same numbers of millions as they would by keeping Melo. Then in 2015 they end up almost 40 million under the cap and out of money trouble for the first time in who knows how long. With five young role players (Hardaway Jr. Shumpert, Butler #16, #19) and a chance at some big named free agents.