Boozer from Chicago with a first rounder this year

[celticpride1]

Ok so the Bulls want to move Boozer to go after Melo. What if they where willing to give up there other first round pick from the Bobcats this year I believe its pick NUMBER 16. What if we took on Boozer contract this year its a one year rental. Plus we pick up one more first Rounder? Bogans would have to go back plus a few other pieces or involve a third team. But the Bulls want to make a hard run at him and if we aren't going to go after him we might as well try to get some more assets out of it.Leaves us with 3 first rounders this year and plenty of options for Danny.

[PhoSita]

Ok so the Bulls want to move Boozer to go after Melo. What if they where willing to give up there other first round pick from the Bobcats this year I believe its pick NUMBER 16. What if we took on Boozer contract this year its a one year rental. Plus we pick up one more first Rounder? Bogans would have to go back plus a few other pieces or involve a third team. But the Bulls want to make a hard run at him and if we aren't going to go after him we might as well try to get some more assets out of it.Leaves us with 3 first rounders this year and plenty of options for Danny.

We already have 2 power forwards I'd rather give minutes to at this point than Carlos Boozer.

[celticpride1]

Actually its three we have  on the roster. One of the three would be moved to make it happen I would do it in a heart beat. To get more assets and turn them maybe Into Love or something bigger if that is what Danny does.

[PhoSita]

Actually its three we have  on the roster. One of the three would be moved to make it happen I would do it in a heart beat. To get more assets and turn them maybe Into Love or something bigger if that is what Danny does.

I don't think you understood me.

Of the three, maybe four power forwards currently on the roster (Humphries is a FA though), I'd rather give minutes to two of them (Sullinger, Olynyk), before I would give minutes to Carlos Boozer.

[LooseCannon]

Ok so the Bulls want to move Boozer to go after Melo. What if they where willing to give up there other first round pick from the Bobcats this year I believe its pick NUMBER 16. What if we took on Boozer contract this year its a one year rental. Plus we pick up one more first Rounder? Bogans would have to go back plus a few other pieces or involve a third team. But the Bulls want to make a hard run at him and if we aren't going to go after him we might as well try to get some more assets out of it.Leaves us with 3 first rounders this year and plenty of options for Danny.

We already have 2 power forwards I'd rather give minutes to at this point than Carlos Boozer.

I think if you make this move, you're doing it because you are willing to carry Boozer as dead weight and possibly tell him to stay home because you really want the pick.  One first round pick is not worth enough to be doing that.  The 16th and 19th picks might be, but I would probably only do something like that in conjunction with a complete blow-it-up trade of Rondo (which I wouldn't do).

[freshinthehouse]

This would be a smooth move for a team that has cap room, unfortunately we do not have the cap room to make a move like this.  Chicago wants to shed salary, and we'd have to send salary back to them to make this deal work.

[saltlover]

I've said before I'd do the following:

Boozer and #16 and #19 for Bass, Bogans, and Babb (since that makes salaries work).

Bass and others would likely go to a third team with cap room to create more room for Chicago.  Assuming one-year of Bass has positive value to a team, you would have a 4-team deal:

Boston gets:
Boozer, #16 and #19

Boston gives up:
Bass, Bogans, Babb

Chicago gets:
Carmelo Anthony (S&T)

Chicago gives up:
Boozer, #16, #19, 2015 1st, protected Sacto 1st

Mystery team gets:
Bass, Bogans (waived), Babb (waived)

Mystery team gives up:
What Bass is worth to them (presumably 1-2 second rounders)

New York gets:
2015 Chicago 1st, protected Sacto 1st (top 10 protected through 2017)
Mystery team's assets (presumably 1-2 2nd rounders)
$20M trade exception

New York gives up:
Carmelo Anthony (S&T)

This deal probably begins as a 2-team deal on draft night, between Boston and Chicago, which is how Boston controls the picks.  However, the deal would not consummate until after the moratorium.  Chicago could then try to negotiate with Melo.  If they succeeded in convincing him to come over, they could just send Bass et al. to NY, along with the picks.  However, if NY is losing Melo, they're tanking and not wanting to add any salary, so they instead find the 4th team to take Bass for a few second rounders.  This team may actually be found before reaching a deal with NY/Melo, as an existential threat to just send Bass to, allowing Chicago to sign Melo with cap room if NY won't go along with the S&T.  It's existential because Melo may not be wiling to leave quite the amount of money on the table that would be required for NY to get shut out, which is why the Knicks are able to get two picks, albeit only 1 guaranteed, in the transaction.

On draft night, however, it still makes sense as just the Chicago-Boston piece, since this allows Chcago to save dollars (important to Reinsdorf, which is why there may be no amnesty) while upgrading their team (I think Bass is a better fit for Chicago than Boozer).  For Boston, two draft picks is great.  It really hurts their 2014 summer flexibility, however, which is why I don't think they do it for just one pick.  I also think that at least one of their now 3 picks from 16-19 are used on a foreign player, to limit the number of 2014 rookies.

Also, I don't think this happens, because it's really complex and therefore unlikely.  But if Chicago does trade Boozer, I think it will be a draft night trade that doesn't get finalized until after Melo is sorted out.  I do think it will cost Chicago both of their 2014 picks.  Whether it would make more sense for a team like Philly to be involved depends on if a) Bass does actually have the positive value of being worth 1-2 second round picks that I think he does, b) Philly is so set on tanking in 2014 as early as draft night to be willing to accept only one 2014 1st rounder.

I don't think NY will be willing to take on Boozer.  It's better for them to play hardball and risk losing Melo.  Being willing to take on Boozer takes away their leverage of dollars, which is what they can offer Melo, since he'd have to take less from Chicago to sign there even if Boozer was amnestied. Also, if they lose Melo, they're going to stink in 2015, so it makes sense to want to do that for as few dollars as possible.  In fact, taking back Boozer may push them back over the luxury tax.   The bright side for NY is that if they tank next year, they at least control their draft pick, unlike this year.

[European NBA fan]

It would make more sense for Chicago just to use the amnesty provision on Boozer. Although they in that case throw a lot of money out the window they get to keep a rookie contract, which probably saves them money in the long run.

[pearljammer10]

I feel like if this would go down Chicago and NY would just work something out together especially if the Knicks could get two first round picks this year since they are completely drained of them for quite sometime. With them both being an expiring at least they get something for Melo.

Knicks trade: Melo

Bulls trade: Boozer (expiring), Dunleavy (expiring to make salary match), JButler, pick 16 and pick 19.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2w9plt

Works in the trade checker as of this season but I'm not sure if the bulls would have to send over one more salary filler or not.

Bulls go into next year with Rose, Snell or FA guard, Melo, Gibson, Noah.

Knicks kinda wash in 14-15 but have: Felton, shumpert, butler, boozer, chandler with amare, shumpert bargs, 16 and 19.... (which really isnt super terrible for the east). and then between bargs, amare, boozer, chandler theyd have almost 60 mil coming off the books to throw at FAs and young role players of shumpert, butler, the 16th and 19th picks.

[Lucky17]

I just can't see a team willing to buy a 2014 1st rounder in the late teens for $16 million.

[clover]

Am I missing something? I thought the Bulls could amnesty Boozer, in which case they'd have room for Carmelo without giving up one or both of this year's first rounders.

[Lucky17]

Am I missing something? I thought the Bulls could amnesty Boozer, in which case they'd have room for Carmelo without giving up one or both of this year's first rounders.

Yep. They'll still have to pay him his salary, though. Just won't show up on their cap.

[Kane3387]

I just can't see a team willing to buy a 2014 1st rounder in the late teens for $16 million.

Yeah I think it take both firsts.

[clover]

Am I missing something? I thought the Bulls could amnesty Boozer, in which case they'd have room for Carmelo without giving up one or both of this year's first rounders.

Yep. They'll still have to pay him his salary, though. Just won't show up on their cap.

Chicago ownership may be cheap, but I'd think a decent business case could be made for taking the hit in order to add a couple of cheap first-rounders to a potentially contending team in a market that size.

[saltlover]

Am I missing something? I thought the Bulls could amnesty Boozer, in which case they'd have room for Carmelo without giving up one or both of this year's first rounders.

They would create a lot of cap room by amnestying Boozer, but probably not enough to sign Melo unless he's willing to take about 35%-40% less than some teams will offer him.  I could see Melo being willing to take a small discount, but probably no more than 10% (which is $2 million per year).  Even if they were to draft foreign players who weren't coming over to the States (so they didn't have cap holds for the 1st rounders), Chicago would have approximately $14 million in cap space after amnestying Boozer.  Melo's max salary is over $22 million.  Chicago's going to need to either a) use draft picks to move other payroll, which would further deplete their roster, or b) get Melo via a sign-and-trade.  If NY doesn't want to take on Boozer's salary, they're going to need to find someone else who will be wiling.