are we a playoffs contenders if kg pp jet and doc stayed?

[Roy H.]

At this point, KG looks pretty cooked.  As a fan, I supported keeping the guys in green, but Danny made the right call.

yup. 2012 conference finals was his last hurrah basically and DA knew it.

so the raptors are 3 and nets are 2
are the nets winning it in a crucial 7 game series and move to the 2nd round playoffs

so if the nets are a 1st round exit team, this trade is win-win for us and a loss for brooklyn?

I think the Raptors will win one of the next two.

I see the trade as a win for us, and I think Brooklyn would reverse it if they could.

[MISSERY]

At this point, KG looks pretty cooked.  As a fan, I supported keeping the guys in green, but Danny made the right call.

yup. 2012 conference finals was his last hurrah basically and DA knew it.

so the raptors are 3 and nets are 2
are the nets winning it in a crucial 7 game series and move to the 2nd round playoffs

so if the nets are a 1st round exit team, this trade is win-win for us and a loss for brooklyn?

I think the Raptors will win one of the next two.

I see the trade as a win for us, and I think Brooklyn would reverse it if they could.

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

i think nets problem is guarding lowry
nevermind derozen you got ak47 pierce joe anderson for him
rebounding is always a problems since the start for them

so if coach kidd decide a line-up of

livingston/lowry
johnson/derozen
pierce/ross
mirza/amir
kg/valenciunas

with a bench of
d-will anderson ak47 blatche plumlee

still not enough?

[Roy H.]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

[MISSERY]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

[Monkhouse]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

___

To answer your original question: No.

Nothing we added this year or the year before, besides a Kevin Durant/LBJ if we hypothetically had kept KG/Pierce would've helped us win a ring.

Danny Ainge was hated by many Celtics for a considerable amount of time, when he did the block buster trade, but.. Can you seriously blame him?

He did everyone a service by giving them another 2011-2012 run, the unexpected injury to Rondo was obviously shocking. Ultimately, the team was just cooked, and Pierce cannot be the focal point or go to guy anymore.

[MISSERY]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

___

To answer your original question: No.

Nothing we added this year or the year before, besides a Kevin Durant/LBJ if we hypothetically had kept KG/Pierce would've helped us win a ring.

Danny Ainge was hated by many Celtics for a considerable amount of time, when he did the block buster trade, but.. Can you seriously blame him?

He did everyone a service by giving them another 2011-2012 run, the unexpected injury to Rondo was obviously shocking. Ultimately, the team was just cooked, and Pierce cannot be the focal point or go to guy anymore.

lebron is with a great SG wade healthy or not and a bunch of 3 point shooters
OKC? ibaka and jackson are enough even without Westbrook

[Monkhouse]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

___

To answer your original question: No.

Nothing we added this year or the year before, besides a Kevin Durant/LBJ if we hypothetically had kept KG/Pierce would've helped us win a ring.

Danny Ainge was hated by many Celtics for a considerable amount of time, when he did the block buster trade, but.. Can you seriously blame him?

He did everyone a service by giving them another 2011-2012 run, the unexpected injury to Rondo was obviously shocking. Ultimately, the team was just cooked, and Pierce cannot be the focal point or go to guy anymore.

lebron is with a great SG wade healthy or not and a bunch of 3 point shooters
OKC? ibaka and jackson are enough even without Westbrook

I don't get what you're saying, no offense. Is your sentence implying that Lebron isn't great enough to lead a team with or without a healthy Wade? I think Bosh is so underrated, and is underrated by a majority of users here too. I still consider him or his Raptors day a bonafide superstar, and he has stepped up numerous times in the Finals. If anything, if Bosh didn't grab the rebound, and was the main catalyst for the assist to Allen for the 3, the Heat wouldn't even be in discussion for 3-peat.

Ibaka/Jackson enough for what? OKC needs Westbrook...

[MISSERY]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

___

To answer your original question: No.

Nothing we added this year or the year before, besides a Kevin Durant/LBJ if we hypothetically had kept KG/Pierce would've helped us win a ring.

Danny Ainge was hated by many Celtics for a considerable amount of time, when he did the block buster trade, but.. Can you seriously blame him?

He did everyone a service by giving them another 2011-2012 run, the unexpected injury to Rondo was obviously shocking. Ultimately, the team was just cooked, and Pierce cannot be the focal point or go to guy anymore.

lebron is with a great SG wade healthy or not and a bunch of 3 point shooters
OKC? ibaka and jackson are enough even without Westbrook

I don't get what you're saying, no offense. Is your sentence implying that Lebron isn't great enough to lead a team with or without a healthy Wade? I think Bosh is so underrated, and is underrated by a majority of users here too. I still consider him or his Raptors day a bonafide superstar, and he has stepped up numerous times in the Finals. If anything, if Bosh didn't grab the rebound, and was the main catalyst for the assist to Allen for the 3, the Heat wouldn't even be in discussion for 3-peat.

Ibaka/Jackson enough for what? OKC needs Westbrook...

lebron and shaq varejao and others he can't handle it
so he needs to change a team

with westbrook injury i think as the season goes, they are not that bad before
yeah they need him now, tony allen and courtney lee defense? they need him for sure

kg and pierce would keep fighting even though its not a championship contender, they might retire as celtics and pierce as celtics for life

as the nets team, i think pierce can still ball, but kg even given a 30minutes a game with a young valenciunas, kg is no match, but i think this will be like the 7 game series vs miami the past years, with there bench players they can have a good rest for good

[sed522002]

Bosh was definitely the unsung hero in the 2012 series with the C's. They didn't have an answer for Kg and Bosh's  3 point shooting in game 7 made me sick.

[MISSERY]

and also if kg was here and lets say faverani and kelly are here, some improvement might happen like a defensive big, look at plumlee now with kg and also learning some rebounds with reggie

[Monkhouse]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

___

To answer your original question: No.

Nothing we added this year or the year before, besides a Kevin Durant/LBJ if we hypothetically had kept KG/Pierce would've helped us win a ring.

Danny Ainge was hated by many Celtics for a considerable amount of time, when he did the block buster trade, but.. Can you seriously blame him?

He did everyone a service by giving them another 2011-2012 run, the unexpected injury to Rondo was obviously shocking. Ultimately, the team was just cooked, and Pierce cannot be the focal point or go to guy anymore.

lebron is with a great SG wade healthy or not and a bunch of 3 point shooters
OKC? ibaka and jackson are enough even without Westbrook

I don't get what you're saying, no offense. Is your sentence implying that Lebron isn't great enough to lead a team with or without a healthy Wade? I think Bosh is so underrated, and is underrated by a majority of users here too. I still consider him or his Raptors day a bonafide superstar, and he has stepped up numerous times in the Finals. If anything, if Bosh didn't grab the rebound, and was the main catalyst for the assist to Allen for the 3, the Heat wouldn't even be in discussion for 3-peat.

Ibaka/Jackson enough for what? OKC needs Westbrook...

lebron and shaq varejao and others he can't handle it
so he needs to change a team

with westbrook injury i think as the season goes, they are not that bad before
yeah they need him now, tony allen and courtney lee defense? they need him for sure

kg and pierce would keep fighting even though its not a championship contender, they might retire as celtics and pierce as celtics for life

as the nets team, i think pierce can still ball, but kg even given a 30minutes a game with a young valenciunas, kg is no match, but i think this will be like the 7 game series vs miami the past years, with there bench players they can have a good rest for good

Please don't take offense, but I really don't get your point..

Shaq was past his prime, Varejao was injury prone, and during the tenure of James's career, Varejao was consistently out 3/4 of the time.

I don't see why people criticize Lebron so much. Yes I didn't like the fact he went to join superstars, but so what? The Cavaliers weren't going anywhere, and many multitude of promises weren't met. The best person they had on that team was honestly Mo Williams.

Tony Allen/Courtney Lee should be getting shut down by Durant. Durant is a 6'9 player with a 7'3-7'4 wingspan... Allen is taking advantage of the fact that Durant doesn't have a solid post game. If Durant had a post game similar to Melo's, Durant would have been dropping 30-40+ by now.

KG/Pierce would keep fighting, but there wouldn't be any results. 2010-2011 where we almost beat the Heat was our defining moment of us, and our influential tenacity. But if you seriously think adding great bench players, and adding maybe a decent Center would have made us playoff contenders with KG/Pierce. Of course. But we wouldn't be contenders.

As for the Nets/Raptors series, if the Nets can control the tempo and deny fast breaks, with the addition of taking smarter shots, then the Nets can possibly close Game 6, and finish them off in Game 7.

[MISSERY]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

___

To answer your original question: No.

Nothing we added this year or the year before, besides a Kevin Durant/LBJ if we hypothetically had kept KG/Pierce would've helped us win a ring.

Danny Ainge was hated by many Celtics for a considerable amount of time, when he did the block buster trade, but.. Can you seriously blame him?

He did everyone a service by giving them another 2011-2012 run, the unexpected injury to Rondo was obviously shocking. Ultimately, the team was just cooked, and Pierce cannot be the focal point or go to guy anymore.

lebron is with a great SG wade healthy or not and a bunch of 3 point shooters
OKC? ibaka and jackson are enough even without Westbrook

I don't get what you're saying, no offense. Is your sentence implying that Lebron isn't great enough to lead a team with or without a healthy Wade? I think Bosh is so underrated, and is underrated by a majority of users here too. I still consider him or his Raptors day a bonafide superstar, and he has stepped up numerous times in the Finals. If anything, if Bosh didn't grab the rebound, and was the main catalyst for the assist to Allen for the 3, the Heat wouldn't even be in discussion for 3-peat.

Ibaka/Jackson enough for what? OKC needs Westbrook...

lebron and shaq varejao and others he can't handle it
so he needs to change a team

with westbrook injury i think as the season goes, they are not that bad before
yeah they need him now, tony allen and courtney lee defense? they need him for sure

kg and pierce would keep fighting even though its not a championship contender, they might retire as celtics and pierce as celtics for life

as the nets team, i think pierce can still ball, but kg even given a 30minutes a game with a young valenciunas, kg is no match, but i think this will be like the 7 game series vs miami the past years, with there bench players they can have a good rest for good

Please don't take offense, but I really don't get your point..

Shaq was past his prime, Varejao was injury prone, and during the tenure of James's career, Varejao was consistently out 3/4 of the time.

I don't see why people criticize Lebron so much. Yes I didn't like the fact he went to join superstars, but so what? The Cavaliers weren't going anywhere, and many multitude of promises weren't met. The best person they had on that team was honestly Mo Williams.

Tony Allen/Courtney Lee should be getting shut down by Durant. Durant is a 6'9 player with a 7'3-7'4 wingspan... Allen is taking advantage of the fact that Durant doesn't have a solid post game. If Durant had a post game similar to Melo's, Durant would have been dropping 30-40+ by now.

KG/Pierce would keep fighting, but there wouldn't be any results. 2010-2011 where we almost beat the Heat was our defining moment of us, and our influential tenacity. But if you seriously think adding great bench players, and adding maybe a decent Center would have made us playoff contenders with KG/Pierce. Of course. But we wouldn't be contenders.

As for the Nets/Raptors series, if the Nets can control the tempo and deny fast breaks, with the addition of taking smarter shots, then the Nets can possibly close Game 6, and finish them off in Game 7.

i agree with some of your post, and the last one
the only way nets can control the tempo is by d-will, but i think rondo is far better than d-will right now, 15 assist or more than, i think the raptors got a problem
because they are not beating the nets in a half-court game situation

and yes with pierce and kg we are not contenders, but yes if they retire as a celtics doc would still be here, so if kelly and faverani was here they will learn a lot of defense
rookie coach and a rookie players next season? i say we need to wait 2 or 3 more years for this team to be better, unless we got a lebron type from the draft via 1st round pick

[D.o.s.]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

I don't think he came out just for the press, but I agree that he's not a particularly remarkable NBA player at this state of his career.

[Monkhouse]

so you are picking the raptors to win in a crucial 7 game series?

Yes.

As much as defending Lowry has been a problem, I think that Pierce, KG, and Kirilenko have all looked like they've been playing in cement at times.  It's probably not a coincidence that the Nets made their huge run with those guys on the bench.

so if kg and pierce will not bring celtics to championship hopes if they have stayed and same as the nets
with lopez injury, do you think they made the right decision by signing jason collins? he is the guy i think can at least defend  valenciunas 1on1

Jason Collins sucks.

I was glad when he was gone, and was glad when he went to another team. God forbid, we tried to pick him up for no reason, but to add publicity, which is exactly what the Nets did.

There is a reason why Collins came out. It isn't, because he wanted to go down in history as the first gay basketball player, but that it would've helped him find another place willing to take him in for the extra media press.

Collins can't guard a fly, and only thing he can do remotely well is set good screens.

I don't think he came out just for the press, but I agree that he's not a particularly remarkable NBA player at this state of his career.

Would say its a mix of both.

Collins had been looking for a job for a while now. He stated that he desperately wanted to join any team, and even rebuilding teams wouldn't matter. He just wanted to play.

It isn't coincidental that the moment he came out, majority of teams were now 'interested,' in him.

[Finkelskyhook]

The reality is we're far better off.  As soon as Garnett went down this season for extended time....If he was playing for us...The tanking would've begun.  Without Rondo..This team wasn't going anywhere anyway.  We wouldn't have the draft choices and our young players wouldn't be learning anything under Rivers.   He'd be calling them out in post-game pressers and making excuses.

Olynyk and Sullinger showed a lot of defensive improvement after the Anthony trade...With Garnett's tuteledge...That improvement probably would've started earlier.