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how far can this team go..?
« on: April 27, 2014, 07:50:58 PM »

Offline drogbagarnett

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Let's say Danny does is work via trade and draft and ends up with this team :

Rondo ... Lin ... Pressey
Hayward ... E. Gordon ... Johnson
Green ... A. Gordon ... J. Young
R Anderson ... Sully ... C. Iverson
Asik ... Olynyk ... Faverani

Chemistry is important so let's say this team play great together and has chemistry. ..
How far do we go in the next couple of playoff runs..?

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014, 07:55:01 PM »

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It would be a playoff team in the East.  I'd say its ceiling is the second round.


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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2014, 07:59:29 PM »

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Let's say Danny does is work via trade and draft and ends up with this team :

Rondo ... Lin ... Pressey
Hayward ... E. Gordon ... Johnson
Green ... A. Gordon ... J. Young
R Anderson ... Sully ... C. Iverson
Asik ... Olynyk ... Faverani

Chemistry is important so let's say this team play great together and has chemistry. ..
How far do we go in the next couple of playoff runs..?

This team would disappoint me.

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2014, 08:07:37 PM »

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Let's say Danny does is work via trade and draft and ends up with this team :

Rondo ... Lin ... Pressey
Hayward ... E. Gordon ... Johnson
Green ... A. Gordon ... J. Young
R Anderson ... Sully ... C. Iverson
Asik ... Olynyk ... Faverani

Chemistry is important so let's say this team play great together and has chemistry. ..
How far do we go in the next couple of playoff runs..?

  We don't acquire anything that's worth our draft pick.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2014, 08:32:24 PM »

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That's the point...
Keeping Olynyk and Sully and keeping our draft picks for a splash later if Lin or Asik (expiring) doesn't turn into what we need...
Turn Wallace into Eric Gordon and get R Anderson as a mini Kevin Love for clutch 3pt shooting...
If no fireworks no brainer are available than could that be a good option ..?

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2014, 08:49:54 PM »

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Let's say Danny does is work via trade and draft and ends up with this team :

Rondo ... Lin ... Pressey
Hayward ... E. Gordon ... Johnson
Green ... A. Gordon ... J. Young
R Anderson ... Sully ... C. Iverson
Asik ... Olynyk ... Faverani

Chemistry is important so let's say this team play great together and has chemistry. ..
How far do we go in the next couple of playoff runs..?

The bench is pretty crazy. Hayward / E.Gordon would be the best bench player in the league. Sully would be the best backup PF in the league. Jeremy Lin is a very strong backup PG. Aaron Gordon as a 9th man is ridiculously good. Olynyk is the only guy ... doesn't give the defensive presence you want (when Asik goes off the floor) ... but Olynyk is still possibly a strong bench player if he can continue his play from last two months of season.

The starting lineup has good balance. Asik is a top interior defender. Jeff Green gives you a strong SF defender. Rondo a top defensive PG. Eric Gordon or Gordon Hayward would be a fine defensive option at SG. Ryan Anderson a weak link. Overall, the makings of a 8-12th range defensive team. Offensively, Rondo would be fantastic alongside shooters like Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon / Gordon Hayward and Jeff Green. Asik would give him a good PnR partner too. That would be a very difficult to contain because of the spacing and Rondo's dribble penetration + playmaking. 

With a bench as freakishly strong as that, I could see that team challenging in the East.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2014, 09:12:34 PM »

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Let's say Danny does is work via trade and draft and ends up with this team :

Rondo ... Lin ... Pressey
Hayward ... E. Gordon ... Johnson
Green ... A. Gordon ... J. Young
R Anderson ... Sully ... C. Iverson
Asik ... Olynyk ... Faverani

Chemistry is important so let's say this team play great
together and has chemistry. ..
How far do we go in the next couple of playoff runs..?

The bench is pretty crazy. Hayward / E.Gordon would be the best bench player in the league. Sully would be the best backup PF in the league. Jeremy Lin is a very strong backup PG. Aaron Gordon as a 9th man is ridiculously good. Olynyk is the only guy ... doesn't give the defensive presence you want (when Asik goes off the floor) ... but Olynyk is still possibly a strong bench player if he can continue his play from last two months of season.

The starting lineup has good balance. Asik is a top interior defender. Jeff Green gives you a strong SF defender. Rondo a top defensive PG. Eric Gordon or Gordon Hayward would be a fine defensive option at SG. Ryan Anderson a weak link. Overall, the makings of a 8-12th range defensive team. Offensively, Rondo would be fantastic alongside shooters like Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon / Gordon Hayward and Jeff Green. Asik would give him a good PnR partner too. That would be a very difficult to contain because of the spacing and Rondo's dribble penetration + playmaking. 

With a bench as freakishly strong as that, I could see that team challenging in the East.

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No fireworks but overall very strong! !
Could definitely be in the finals of the east potentially with some luck and good coaching...

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2014, 10:00:23 PM »

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It's a very good, balanced team. I am assuming you think we can get Asik and Lin with the Pierce trade exception and our expirings, but I'm not sure how we acquire Hayward, Gordon, and Anderson while only giving up Bradley, Bass, and Wallace. How many future draft picks do we have going out and do we really need Hayward and Gordon...or Anderson for that matter?

While I question how we get all of these players by giving up very little, I basically like the idea. I would much much much rather have one big time star and play KO/Sully/Gordon(?) heavy minutes than have such a deep team. As is usually the case, once you have a great base in place, veteran players will come to play for us on decent contracts. The depth of your proposed roster isn't totally necessary.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2014, 10:39:34 PM »

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This team would disappoint me.

Agreed.  A lot of these proposed future teams would bum me out.  Middling talent, no cap room for the foreseeable future, and no realistic shot at winning a title.  Would people really get that much more enjoyment over watching that team than doing a proper rebuild and at least giving an honest attempt to build a legit contender?

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2014, 12:51:45 AM »

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It's a very good, balanced team. I am assuming you think we can get Asik and Lin with the Pierce trade exception and our expirings, but I'm not sure how we acquire Hayward, Gordon, and Anderson while only giving up Bradley, Bass, and Wallace. How many future draft picks do we have going out and do we really need Hayward and Gordon...or Anderson for that matter?

While I question how we get all of these players by giving up very little, I basically like the idea. I would much much much rather have one big time star and play KO/Sully/Gordon(?) heavy minutes than have such a deep team. As is usually the case, once you have a great base in place, veteran players will come to play for us on decent contracts. The depth of your proposed roster isn't totally necessary.

Agreed. Having Eric Gordon off the bench, as well as signing Gordon Hayward (who's vying for a payday), doesn't sound cheap at all. Does it work under the CBA?

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Also, I wonder if keeping AB instead of getting Gordon might be a better idea. At this point, I suspect AB might even be more efficient on offense.

Of course, you can isolate Gordon and run PnR's with Gordon, which AB can't. There's the potential for Gordon to really be a deadly 2 guard, especially beside Rondo.

But the risk is sky high with Gordon. There's the monster contract, and there's the injuries. Could end up being a worse contract that Gerald Wallace with all the injuries. Doesn't seem AB is quite as injury prone as Gordon. (Though I might be wrong in that AB might have played a smaller percentage of games than Gordon.)

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2014, 01:28:22 AM »

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This team would disappoint me.

Agreed.  A lot of these proposed future teams would bum me out.  Middling talent, no cap room for the foreseeable future, and no realistic shot at winning a title.  Would people really get that much more enjoyment over watching that team than doing a proper rebuild and at least giving an honest attempt to build a legit contender?

I understand everybody is looking for 2007 bis with all those fireworks talks...
I wish we get that too!
But in Case we don't :
Would you prefer Wallace at 10 million or sign and trade humphries with him for Anderson and Gordon at 14 million. ?
Would you prefer the undersized Bradley or take a risk on Hayward. .?
Would you prefer to let the trade exception expire or get Lin and Asik for one year and see if they are worth keeping or not..?
I think those are pretty straightforward if we can do those deals and keep most of our drat picks and assets!
A summer of fireworks would be ideal but if you can't find a KI and a Ray allen then this is a pretty good alternative I think!! Unless you have a better one..?

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2014, 01:40:37 AM »

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Why do you think NO would be interested in that deal?  Ryan Anderson is a pretty important part of their team going forward.  You think they want out of Gordon's contract that bad?

Also, I don't hate Gordon Hayward, but for what I expect him to cost ($8 - 12M/yr) I'm not that interested.  I don't think he's much of an upgrade.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2014, 09:29:28 AM »

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Teams without go to #1 scorers, generally don't do much in the post season and that team lacks that sort of scorer.  The closest one is Eric Gordon and he hasn't been the same since the knee injuries. 
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Let's say Danny does is work via trade and draft and ends up with this team :

Rondo ... Lin ... Pressey
Hayward ... E. Gordon ... Johnson
Green ... A. Gordon ... J. Young
R Anderson ... Sully ... C. Iverson
Asik ... Olynyk ... Faverani

Chemistry is important so let's say this team play great together and has chemistry. ..
How far do we go in the next couple of playoff runs..?

a mid-level playoff team at best.  no go-to scorer.  very solid bench, probably best in the league.  problem is the starting lineup doesn't match up well with the top contenders  Rondo is the only one that would present a possible advantage over whoever the other teams put on the court.

really curious how you propose to add Anderson, Asik, Lin, Gordon, and Hayward while keeping Rondo, Sully and KO.  I only see Wallace, Bass, AB and the #5 missing from the roster.  Wouldn't give up the #5 for any of these guys

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2014, 10:36:32 AM »

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Teams without go to #1 scorers, generally don't do much in the post season and that team lacks that sort of scorer.  The closest one is Eric Gordon and he hasn't been the same since the knee injuries.
I agree! A go to scorer is so important!  But also so rare!
Curious to see what realistic alternative you might have to get us a go to scorer this summer or next..?
The idea with this plan is to potentially free up around  37 million in summer 2015 to go after those fireworks that bring go to scorers etc...