Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'

[sofutomygaha]

Anthony Davis is the next KG....

and the next paul pierce is probably Jabari Parker.
Steph curry = ray allen

I LOVE this. No way we'd have the currency to get all 3.

Well, not until after their primes, anyway.

[BleedGreen1989]

Being realistic, at the moment it's Aaron Afflalo and Omer Asik.

I hear the air escaping from your ballon.

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In Summer of 2007, we had a pile of assets, change, and pieces to match with TWO teams looking to CTRL+ALT+DEL at the same time, and needed change for a buck and something for later, not now.

What teams have a star now, but no prospect for the present or future?

The Knicks.

Unfortunately, they're an exceptional franchise, being the exception by being in NYC and not being able to get away with a tank year.  Otherwise, Melo is auctioned to the highest bidder, and we win easily.

The Lakers would be another example, looking to unload Pau Gasol, but not with Kobe and his money on the books as well.  There's no point in bottoming out for them, so it would have to be a more complicated deal, or involve giving up someone we wouldn't want to give up for PGasol.

Although a deal involving Wallace's contract and no draft picks would have me considering parting with Sully in a deal for Pau Gasol, who would start next to KO in a nice big front line.

But I just don't see that many teams this year that are stuck in rebuild cycle with an established but aging star.  The Knicks and Lakers aren't going there.  I just don't see it.

[biggs]

Good to hear from you Ricky!

First off- no way we get Davis.  Kid is a stud and will dominate the league for years.

Secondly- Rondo- in your scenario he stays around and he's the "PP" cornerstone of the franchise that we pair two other stars with.  Unfortunately, I don't think Rondo is the guy you build around.  For the sake of the hypothetical though I will include Rondo.

Now, as for the "steal" guys (Ray)- Players like OJ Mayo, Demar DeRozan, Monta Ellis, fit the bill and all of them have more left in the tank than Ray did when we acquired him.  While Toronto is on the rise, I could still see Demar leaving for "greener" pastures.  Mayo and Ellis could be acquired cheaply I believe.

Now for KG- (also a steal IMO The only player I can think of that could potentially be acquired and is of a similar caliber to KG is Dirk.  Clearly he's getting towards the twilight years of his career, but I think he could easily hold his own on a contender for another season or two.  If Al Horford wasn't so injury prone I would probably select him.

Other PF's I can think of are Millsap and Faried.  I believe both are attainable and while they are "second tier" power forwards they certainly have the talent to score (Millsap) and defend (Faried)

Now I'm gonna go a step further for fun and replace other members of the 07' squad.

Perkins- Gortat- the guy straight up looks like Zangief from Street Fighter.  He's perfect.

Posey- bring in Trevor Ariza.  Love this kid even though he killed us in the finals with L.A.

House- Ben Gordon.  Dude can flat out shoot.  Would be great off the bench.

Cassell- Andre Miller.  Dust him off and let him mentor Rondo.

PJ- Bring in Camby!

What do you think?

[nickagneta]

After 2 more failed post seasons (this year and next) the Thunder trade an outspoken about being traded out of OKC, Kevin Durant in August 2015, just a month after adding Marc Gasol via free agency(sign and trade with Memphis).

The Celtics 2015-16

Rondo/
Wiggins/Bradley
Durant/Wallace
Olynyk/
Gasol/Iverson

Yes I assume we land Wiggins in this draft. I also assume that players and picks go to get Gasol and Durant are Sully, Green, some left over non-guaranteed contracts for the year before, C's 2014 #17, C's 2015 1st, Clip's 2015 1st, Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 1sts, Boston 2016, 2018 2020 1st rounders.

Fill in the rest of the roster as you see fit. Give me the banner in 2016

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Good to hear from you Ricky!

First off- no way we get Davis.  Kid is a stud and will dominate the league for years.

Secondly- Rondo- in your scenario he stays around and he's the "PP" cornerstone of the franchise that we pair two other stars with.  Unfortunately, I don't think Rondo is the guy you build around.  For the sake of the hypothetical though I will include Rondo.

Now, as for the "steal" guys (Ray)- Players like OJ Mayo, Demar DeRozan, Monta Ellis, fit the bill and all of them have more left in the tank than Ray did when we acquired him.  While Toronto is on the rise, I could still see Demar leaving for "greener" pastures.  Mayo and Ellis could be acquired cheaply I believe.

Now for KG- (also a steal IMO The only player I can think of that could potentially be acquired and is of a similar caliber to KG is Dirk.  Clearly he's getting towards the twilight years of his career, but I think he could easily hold his own on a contender for another season or two.  If Al Horford wasn't so injury prone I would probably select him.

Other PF's I can think of are Millsap and Faried.  I believe both are attainable and while they are "second tier" power forwards they certainly have the talent to score (Millsap) and defend (Faried)

Now I'm gonna go a step further for fun and replace other members of the 07' squad.

Perkins- Gortat- the guy straight up looks like Zangief from Street Fighter.  He's perfect.

Posey- bring in Trevor Ariza.  Love this kid even though he killed us in the finals with L.A.

House- Ben Gordon.  Dude can flat out shoot.  Would be great off the bench.

Cassell- Andre Miller.  Dust him off and let him mentor Rondo.

PJ- Bring in Camby!

What do you think?

Got to agree that Dirk fits the bill as an aging star on a relatively rudderless team and could perhaps be the piece that is traded for pieces, the Mavs, like the Knicks and Lakers, are not the franchise that will trade their star.  In this case, it's because of the Cuban factor.  He's a fan, and he's a fan of Dirk, but most of all, he will be happy to just keep paying him.  But he'll need pieces sooner or later...

Also agree on Gortat being a perfect piece, but he is far better than Perkins.  Gortat would be my #1 FA target (full use of TPE from Pierce/KG).  His defense alone make him worth it, but 12-14ppg make Gortat a no-brainer.  Okafor, if he returns to health, would be a clear 2nd choice for center.  Asik is only the third best center on my little list of possible starters in the middle for us next year.

So there are 3 teams that likely won't trade their stars but probably should (Dirk, Pau Gasol, and Carmelo). 

Imagine some team picks up two of them to pair with their resident allstar (or two go to the other's team).  That was us, worst to first.  Hardly ever happens, and we blog here like it's the expectation.  Generational players coming together, in Boston, right when we need them to suit up.

It would take that level of player for Danny to pony up some of his beloved assets, I suspect.

Won't happen this year.  Just not feeling the fireworks.

[JBcat]

After 2 more failed post seasons (this year and next) the Thunder trade an outspoken about being traded out of OKC, Kevin Durant in August 2015, just a month after adding Marc Gasol via free agency(sign and trade with Memphis).

The Celtics 2015-16

Rondo/
Wiggins/Bradley
Durant/Wallace
Olynyk/
Gasol/Iverson

Yes I assume we land Wiggins in this draft. I also assume that players and picks go to get Gasol and Durant are Sully, Green, some left over non-guaranteed contracts for the year before, C's 2014 #17, C's 2015 1st, Clip's 2015 1st, Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 1sts, Boston 2016, 2018 2020 1st rounders.

Fill in the rest of the roster as you see fit. Give me the banner in 2016

I like this one.

The great thing we have is so much flexibility with so many assets.  Much of it hinders at first with our draft slot this year, and which team wants to dance with us for a mega trade in the future.

The one thing is the only real "next KG" is Davis, and he won't be available for at least another 5 plus years.  So our hypothetical next great team would look different.

I'll tell you what depending on what other pieces were around him I sure wouldn't mind big Al as our center for the next few years.  He sure has stepped up his game this year.  Cousins is another center I'm keeping my eye on, and how things go in Sac town.  Noel is another guy I really liked but not sure yet how much if a true center he is. 

The west is so loaded now with stars I sure hope one or 2 of them will come east to Boston like in 2007.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

After 2 more failed post seasons (this year and next) the Thunder trade an outspoken about being traded out of OKC, Kevin Durant in August 2015, just a month after adding Marc Gasol via free agency(sign and trade with Memphis).

The Celtics 2015-16

Rondo/
Wiggins/Bradley
Durant/Wallace
Olynyk/
Gasol/Iverson

Yes I assume we land Wiggins in this draft. I also assume that players and picks go to get Gasol and Durant are Sully, Green, some left over non-guaranteed contracts for the year before, C's 2014 #17, C's 2015 1st, Clip's 2015 1st, Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 1sts, Boston 2016, 2018 2020 1st rounders.

Fill in the rest of the roster as you see fit. Give me the banner in 2016

sounds like a plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heh

[Monkhouse]

After 2 more failed post seasons (this year and next) the Thunder trade an outspoken about being traded out of OKC, Kevin Durant in August 2015, just a month after adding Marc Gasol via free agency(sign and trade with Memphis).

The Celtics 2015-16

Rondo/
Wiggins/Bradley
Durant/Wallace
Olynyk/
Gasol/Iverson

Yes I assume we land Wiggins in this draft. I also assume that players and picks go to get Gasol and Durant are Sully, Green, some left over non-guaranteed contracts for the year before, C's 2014 #17, C's 2015 1st, Clip's 2015 1st, Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 1sts, Boston 2016, 2018 2020 1st rounders.

Fill in the rest of the roster as you see fit. Give me the banner in 2016

My biggest pipe dream. Always wanted Gasol on our team, but couple that with Durant who can create his shot, and take the big shot... We're winning at least 3.

[pearljammer10]

Good to hear from you Ricky!

First off- no way we get Davis.  Kid is a stud and will dominate the league for years.

Secondly- Rondo- in your scenario he stays around and he's the "PP" cornerstone of the franchise that we pair two other stars with.  Unfortunately, I don't think Rondo is the guy you build around.  For the sake of the hypothetical though I will include Rondo.

Now, as for the "steal" guys (Ray)- Players like OJ Mayo, Demar DeRozan, Monta Ellis, fit the bill and all of them have more left in the tank than Ray did when we acquired him.  While Toronto is on the rise, I could still see Demar leaving for "greener" pastures.  Mayo and Ellis could be acquired cheaply I believe.

Now for KG- (also a steal IMO The only player I can think of that could potentially be acquired and is of a similar caliber to KG is Dirk.  Clearly he's getting towards the twilight years of his career, but I think he could easily hold his own on a contender for another season or two.  If Al Horford wasn't so injury prone I would probably select him.

Other PF's I can think of are Millsap and Faried.  I believe both are attainable and while they are "second tier" power forwards they certainly have the talent to score (Millsap) and defend (Faried)

Now I'm gonna go a step further for fun and replace other members of the 07' squad.

Perkins- Gortat- the guy straight up looks like Zangief from Street Fighter.  He's perfect.

Posey- bring in Trevor Ariza.  Love this kid even though he killed us in the finals with L.A.

House- Ben Gordon.  Dude can flat out shoot.  Would be great off the bench.

Cassell- Andre Miller.  Dust him off and let him mentor Rondo.

PJ- Bring in Camby!

What do you think?

I have ALWAYS wanted Camby on a Celtics team, even if it was only for a year.

[ddb]

In looking for the next banner, I think we need to kind of gather and save our trade chips for a couple big pieces, then fill in the rest via middle-of-the-road veterans and the draft. I think we first off need a Big Time shooter to spread the floor and compliment our slasher (hoping that will be Rondo). and a well-developed athletic big man that can dominate the defensive end both in the pick and roll, and in the paint, while also contributing on the offensive end.

I like Kevin Love, but don't think he's the guy. I think your guy is Anthony Davis. He gives you the shot-blocking and rebounding, and has nice touch around rim.

Who is the shooter? Seems like there are a bunch to choose from, but if it were me, I think I'd think Bradley Beal.

I think both of these would take a lot of currency, and we need to remember that that the key to the last title is the fact that we STOLE Ray Allen. Is there a major piece we can steal this offseason?

Also, this is all assuming that Rondo is the guy we build around. I don't think he is. But that's another story.

I get what you are saying....but lets be honest.  Beal and Davis aren't going anywhere anytime soon.  Danny didn't trade for 21 year old Allen and KG.  You're talking 10 years from now that could be a possibility. 
You need to look at realistic targets.  Like with KG, there were whispers for 1-2 years about how it could eventually get to the point where he is traded.  With Ray Allen is took a relocating, rebuilding team that wanted to cash in on what they thought were bum ankles. 

So lets look at realistic targets.  and believe me, there aren't any KG's available.  The closest thing to franchise players that could become available this offseason are Love + Carmelo.  My gut is telling me that both of those players will be on the move.  Miami's trio isnt going anywhere.  Not yet at least. 
Beyond Love and Anthony.....I don't know.  Asik.  Pau Gasol.  Zach Randolph.  Maybe.

[jay]

Between Rondo and Sullinger and all the draft picks that are owed the Celtics, I think it is reasonable to pay very high prices for Westbrook and Love.  The 3rd player would be whoever Danny drafts in the top 5 this year. 

Green, Sullinger, multiple picks for Love.

Rondo, Bass, multiple picks for Westbrook/Thabeet. 

Westbrook
Bradley
Wallace
Love
Olynyk
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6th man - Exum, Randle, Smart, Gordon, or Vonleh.


I would even trade down from 5 to 13 with Minny and target Doug McDermott or maybe a Kyle Anderson or Aaron Gordon would drop. 

Yes, you have no bench outside of a rookie and Pressey and Colton Iverson.  Im sure some veteran players would join up for cheap like they do with the Heat.  Maybe get Humphries to come back.  With Indy's struggles I think this team would automatically jump to #2 in the East and challenge Miami.