Coin Flip Results: Celtics get 5th Slot & 17th pick UPDATED

[SHAQATTACK]

So the top 3 are in tier 1

Exum/Randle in tier 2

Then we pick #6 (most likely)...   Should have an ok player there... Vonleh, Smart or Gordon.  Still worth it. 

Congrats on the Top 8 pick, guys!    Should get a nice prospect there or use it in a larger trade.

I don't like to fight old battles so I'm going to paint this in a positive light.   This coin-flip today is why a lot of us were getting frustrated with needless wins. I don't think we ever could have been worse than Philly or Milwaukee, but  2 more losses could have drastically changed our future.

TP
There is no excuse for winning those last two game.....this result a sorry coin toss screwed up the draft chances.

So twenty years from now .......when the team is still locked in a eight seed tie with Hornets .....maybe a new coach and GM will finally understand how to play by the NBA s recruiting rules.

[LarBrd33]

Everyone dissecting the odds...when on the day of the draft Lottery--they STILL:

1: Assign Number "combinations" to teams (in 2007-every Celtics combination had either #1 or #2)
2:Do a practice drawing
3:Take those balls out of the hopper
4:Bring in New Balls---from a Locked/Secured Briefcase--WHY-? What was WRONG with those original practice balls--?

very odd....just use the practice balls...and televise it--!

 

There are logical answers to your questions.  If the lotto was fixed, it would require every team to be willingly part of the conspiracy. 

[fairweatherfan]

Everyone dissecting the odds...when on the day of the draft Lottery--they STILL:

1: Assign Number "combinations" to teams (in 2007-every Celtics combination had either #1 or #2)
2:Do a practice drawing
3:Take those balls out of the hopper
4:Bring in New Balls---from a Locked/Secured Briefcase--WHY-? What was WRONG with those original practice balls--?

very odd....just use the practice balls...and televise it--!

 

The practice balls could be altered by the first run through the hopper - if they got dinged or scuffed even slightly it would alter their probability of coming out the second time.  Using brand new balls is the only way to ensure they start off equal.

If you re-used the practice balls you'd have people coming out of the woodwork to dream up some ludicrous conspiracy, if you can imagine that.

[LarBrd33]

So the top 3 are in tier 1

Exum/Randle in tier 2

Then we pick #6 (most likely)...   Should have an ok player there... Vonleh, Smart or Gordon.  Still worth it. 

Congrats on the Top 8 pick, guys!    Should get a nice prospect there or use it in a larger trade.

I don't like to fight old battles so I'm going to paint this in a positive light.   This coin-flip today is why a lot of us were getting frustrated with needless wins. I don't think we ever could have been worse than Philly or Milwaukee, but  2 more losses could have drastically changed our future.

TP
There is no excuse for winning those last two game.....this result a sorry coin toss screwed up the draft chances.

So twenty years from now .......when the team is still locked in a eight seed tie with Hornets .....maybe a new coach and GM will finally understand how to play by the NBA s recruiting rules.

Time to let it go... there was a point where the playoffs seemed like a real possibility.  Then we traded KG and Pierce.  There was a point where the playoffs still seemed like a real possibility... then we held out Rondo longer than we needed.  There was a point where the playoffs still seemed like a real possibility...we traded Lee and Crawford to mix it up... refused to play Rondo in back-to-backs, adjusted the lineups constantly to prevent any consistency and momentum.   You can't tell the players to throw games.  The coach has some influence... and I think Stevens was a company man just as much as Doc was a company man back in 07.   We tanked this season by every definition of tanking.  We avoided making short-sighted trades that could have improved us.   We dumped contributing veterans.  We overplayed players we wanted to trade.  We tanked.  I wanted a Top 8 pick and they went out and got it.  This was why Doc Rivers wanted out... he didn't want to go through another "company man" season where he rolled over for Ainge's Bigger picture agenda. 

We always knew this was the most likely scenario.   Would have been nice to end up in the bottom 3, but I mean... we successfully tanked tied for the 4th worst record in the NBA.  That's about all you can ask for.

The consensus before the season was that we'd win 23-28 games.  We won 25.  We sucked in all the right ways.

[Lucky17]

So the top 3 are in tier 1

Exum/Randle in tier 2

Then we pick #6 (most likely)...   Should have an ok player there... Vonleh, Smart or Gordon.  Still worth it. 

Congrats on the Top 8 pick, guys!    Should get a nice prospect there or use it in a larger trade.

I don't like to fight old battles so I'm going to paint this in a positive light.   This coin-flip today is why a lot of us were getting frustrated with needless wins. I don't think we ever could have been worse than Philly or Milwaukee, but  2 more losses could have drastically changed our future.

TP
There is no excuse for winning those last two game.....this result a sorry coin toss screwed up the draft chances.

So twenty years from now .......when the team is still locked in a eight seed tie with Hornets .....maybe a new coach and GM will finally understand how to play by the NBA s recruiting rules.

I'll miss you most of all, Scarecrow.

[Smokeeye123]

If you told everyone on this forum before  season the Celtics would end up tied for 4th I'm sure 95% of them would gladly take that.

Context makes people greedy.

[fairweatherfan]

I don't like to fight old battles so I'm going to paint this in a positive light.   This coin-flip today is why a lot of us were getting frustrated with needless wins. I don't think we ever could have been worse than Philly or Milwaukee, but  2 more losses could have drastically changed our future.

TP
There is no excuse for winning those last two game.....this result a sorry coin toss screwed up the draft chances.

So twenty years from now .......when the team is still locked in a eight seed tie with Hornets .....maybe a new coach and GM will finally understand how to play by the NBA s recruiting rules.

Really bad......with no Rondo.  ...maybe  19 -22
With Rondo back Jan.  2014 ..... Maybe   25-30 could  be possible  with some luck

25 wins.  It is.

Good enough for at worst the fifth draft pick....I hope 

So the win total and draft slot turned out exactly where you hoped it would in October, and it's the end of the franchise? 

[GreenFaith1819]

Didn't we have the 5th pick in 07?

We all know how that turned out.

And don't we STILL have a shot at the top 3?

For those of us that wanted different results - let's just be patient and wait this out .

Danny STILL has many options here - perhaps more that any other GM out there.

[cb8883]

So can we all agree that Utah essentially won the 1st pick today? You know this is going to happen because it's the Celtics.

C's are a lock to pick outside of the top 6. The Lakers are also going to finish no lower than 2nd

[SHAQATTACK]

So can we all agree that Utah essentially won the 1st pick today? You know this is going to happen because it's the Celtics.

C's are a lock to pick outside of the top 6. The Lakers are also going to finish no lower than 2nd

That's about the way it goes down for Boston.....Bias,  Lewis,  heartbreak after heartbreak.....

Now this ...the immortal Lottery coin toss .....the tanking year that was messed up .

This wasn't bad luck...poor mgmt of the NBA rebuilding system .   


So......no now ....no big men .....well draft two stupid guards .."that will be worthless .......and still no center .

Celtics will play with no center .....unbelievable  ..maybe Stevens will leave and we can lose enough games to  get a decent center in the draft sometime in the next 20 years.

[Rondo9]

So can we all agree that Utah essentially won the 1st pick today? You know this is going to happen because it's the Celtics.

C's are a lock to pick outside of the top 6. The Lakers are also going to finish no lower than 2nd

That's about the way it goes down for Boston.....Bias,  Lewis,  heartbreak after heartbreak.....

Now this ...the immortal Lottery coin toss .....the tanking year that was messed up .

This wasn't bad luck...poor mgmt of the NBA rebuilding system .   


So......no now ....no big men .....well draft two stupid guards .."that will be worthless .......and still no center .

Celtics will play will no center.....maybe Stevens will leave and we can lose enough yo get a decent center in the draft in the next 20 years.

Did the lottery just happen? Calm down, this isn't the end of the world. The Celtics will be in good shape wherever they draft.

[Celtics4ever]

Anytime the league decides we get hosed folks.   NBA = Not Boston Anytime!

[droopdog7]

No idea... but let's hope the coin flip doesn't matter and we end up in the Top 3.

in looking at recent drafts the four and five spots have been pretty luck at landing a top 3 pick so there's that

1985

Pick 1 - 3rd best odds
Pick 2 - 1st best odds
Pick 3 - 5th best odds

1986

Pick 1 - 6th
Pick 2 - 5th
Pick 3 - 4th

1987

Pick 1 - 4th
Pick 2 - 7th
Pick 3 - 3rd

1988

Pick 1 - 1st
Pick 2 - 7th
Pick 3 - 6th

1989

Pick 1 - 6th
Pick 2 - 3rd
Pick 3 - 4th

1990

Pick 1 - 1st
Pick 2 - 10th
Pick 3 - 2nd

1991

Pick 1 - 5th
Pick 2 - 4th
Pick 3 - 3rd

1992

Pick 1 - 2nd
Pick 2 - 8th
Pick 3 - 4th

1993

Pick 1 - 11th
Pick 2 - 5th
Pick 3 - 7th

1994

Pick 1 - 4th
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 2nd

1995

Pick 1 - 5th
Pick 2 - 4th
Pick 3 - 1st

1996

Pick 1 - 2nd
Pick 2 - 3rd
Pick 3 - 1st

1997

Pick 1 - 3rd
Pick 2 - 5th
Pick 3 - 2nd (Boston/Billups)

1998

Pick 1 - 3rd
Pick 2 - 5th
Pick 3 - 1st

1999

Pick 1 - 3rd
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 13th

2000

Pick 1 - 7th
Pick 2 - 4th
Pick 3 - 1st

2001

Pick 1 - 3rd
Pick 2 - 8th
Pick 3 - 5th

2002

Pick 1 - 5th
Pick 2 - 2nd
Pick 3 - 1st

2003

Pick 1 - 1st
Pick 2 - 6th
Pick 3 - 2nd

2004

Pick 1 - 1st
Pick 2 - 5th
Pick 3 - 2nd

2005

Pick 1 - 6th
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 4th

2006

Pick 1 - 5th
Pick 2 - 2nd
Pick 3 - 3rd

2007

Pick 1 - 7th
Pick 2 - 5th
Pick 3 - 4th

2008

Pick 1 - 9th
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 3rd

2009

Pick 1 - 3rd
Pick 2 - 6th
Pick 3 - 4th

2010

Pick 1 - 5th
Pick 2 - 6th
Pick 3 - 1st

2011

Pick 1 - 8th
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 6th

2012

Pick 1 - 4th
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 2nd

2013

Pick 1 - 3rd
Pick 2 - 1st
Pick 3 - 8th

4 times in 29 years the 1st team has gotten the 1st overall lol.

Its still a relatively small sample but here is more.  Since 1993, when the top team was assigned a 25% chance of winning, the top team has won only twice (one would expect about five times).  The odds of the top team winning two or fewer times in 21 tries is...7.5%. 

Man, the lottery is unusually harsh on the top team.

[Rondo9]

Anytime the league decides we get hosed folks.   NBA = Not Boston Anytime!

The Celtics are one of the most historic teams in sports. You guys could be the Bobcats.

[fairweatherfan]

Yes, poor poor Boston.  When will we ever catch a break?