Sullinger + Olynk revisited.

[crimson_stallion]

My approach would be draft either Embiid or Vonleh, trade Sully, start Olynyk + Rookie.

I think Sully has more value to us as a trade asset then as a player.  Not much role in this league for a slow, overweight, 6'9" guy who shoots 44% from the field and attempts three 3pt a game (on 25% shooting).

He's limited at PF, he's useless at Center, he's foul and injury prone.  I have think Olynyk has far more value to this team as a long term prospect.  If he puts on some muscle in the off-season, his ability to pass, shoot from outside and put it on the floor could be a nightmare for opposing centers.

I really like the long term prospect of an Olynyk/Vonleh frontcourt.

[CelticsWest714]

If kelly worked on his footwork and quickness, throw him at the 3 and have him crash the boards. He grew up playing PG. Rondo, Wiggins, Olynyk, Sullinger, Monroe/Asik/Sanders

[crimson_stallion]

I don't like the idea of Olynyk at the three.  Even if he could improve his quickness to the point where he can play the position, fact remains that the SF spot is one of the most competitive in the league, and at that position Olynyk would be at a disadvantage must nights.

I like him at the 4 or 5 because at those positions his mobility, ability to put the ball on the floor and his shooting range create mismatches. 

I honestly also don't like Sully for this team.  I honestly believe he's best used in a trade...He's too inconsistent and to physically disadvantaged.

[PhoSita]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

[Celtics18]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I agree that the plan should be to get a long, athletic, defensive center.  I just think we have a better chance of getting a good one if we are willing to part with one of our promising power forward prospects to help obtain him. 

[PhoSita]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I agree that the plan should be to get a long, athletic, defensive center.  I just think we have a better chance of getting a good one if we are willing to part with one of our promising power forward prospects to help obtain him.

Maybe so.  I think we could probably get somebody like Asik without trading Sullinger, though.

[Celtics18]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I agree that the plan should be to get a long, athletic, defensive center.  I just think we have a better chance of getting a good one if we are willing to part with one of our promising power forward prospects to help obtain him.

Maybe so.  I think we could probably get somebody like Asik without trading Sullinger, though.

What do you think it would take to get Asik?

[kozlodoev]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I don't think you can ever plan for a 3-man big rotation. Between foul trouble and fatigue, you should always have 4 guys you can count on.

[fairweatherfan]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I agree that the plan should be to get a long, athletic, defensive center.  I just think we have a better chance of getting a good one if we are willing to part with one of our promising power forward prospects to help obtain him.

Maybe so.  I think we could probably get somebody like Asik without trading Sullinger, though.

What do you think it would take to get Asik?

In the offseason probably not that much, since Houston really doesn't want to pay him $15 million to sit on the bench next year.  Maybe our 2nd first and a S+T of Hump, possibly with some salary filler?  Problem is we'd need a handshake agreement with Hump before making the pick.

[pokeKingCurtis]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I agree that the plan should be to get a long, athletic, defensive center.  I just think we have a better chance of getting a good one if we are willing to part with one of our promising power forward prospects to help obtain him.

Maybe so.  I think we could probably get somebody like Asik without trading Sullinger, though.

What do you think it would take to get Asik?

In the offseason probably not that much, since Houston really doesn't want to pay him $15 million to sit on the bench next year.  Maybe our 2nd first and a S+T of Hump, possibly with some salary filler?  Problem is we'd need a handshake agreement with Hump before making the pick.

Asik's cap hit is significantly less than 15.

I wonder if Houston might just keep him, just to have a defensive anchor on the floor 48 minutes a game. It's a huge boon.

[PhoSita]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I don't think you can ever plan for a 3-man big rotation. Between foul trouble and fatigue, you should always have 4 guys you can count on.

True enough.

You have a couple of guys playing like, 28 minutes, another playing 20 minutes, and the 4th plays maybe 10 minutes a night.  You can set the bar pretty low for a guy who plays between 5 and 15 minutes a night.  Pretty much just come in and provide energy, grab some rebounds.

[fairweatherfan]

Maybe so.  I think we could probably get somebody like Asik without trading Sullinger, though.

What do you think it would take to get Asik?

In the offseason probably not that much, since Houston really doesn't want to pay him $15 million to sit on the bench next year.  Maybe our 2nd first and a S+T of Hump, possibly with some salary filler?  Problem is we'd need a handshake agreement with Hump before making the pick.

Asik's cap hit is significantly less than 15.

I wonder if Houston might just keep him, just to have a defensive anchor on the floor 48 minutes a game. It's a huge boon.

Yes, but the salary is very real.  It doesn't matter much to fans but it's absolutely a factor to the people that have to write the checks.  Someone will be paying Asik $15 million next year no matter what the cap impact, and a team like Houston probably isn't going to be enthusiastic about doing that for a bench player who's very publicly unhappy about being a bench player.  Especially with the same price tag on a guy with much less trade value in Lin.

[More Banners]

I think the plan should be to get an athletic, long, defensive center.  A young guy, perhaps a prospect like Clint Capela.

Then plan to have a 3 man rotation at the big spots.

I think Sullinger and Olynyk can be an effective combination.  Just not for 36 minutes a game.

I agree that the plan should be to get a long, athletic, defensive center.  I just think we have a better chance of getting a good one if we are willing to part with one of our promising power forward prospects to help obtain him.

Given that both Sully and KO are really young, we should sign a veteran center to anchor the D alongside them.

If we want to win in the reasonably near future, that is. It probably means using the full TPE if we can't swing a trade around the draft.

[Fred Roberts]

Olynyk March:  9.6 points, 5.5 rebounds, 20.6 minutes, 52%/46%/83%   
Olynyk April: 13.5 points, 7 rebounds, 23.5 minutes, 53%/44%/77%

It's not just the past two games... Oly has been on fire for a while now. 

What's his long term position?   Presuming Wiggins/Embiid/Parker/Exum are off the board... who would you want to draft that could fit in with those guys... is there anyone we could draft that could theoretically start with both Oly and Sully?  Or are we heading towards an inevitable trade?  Isn't Gordon, Randle and Vonleh all PF as well?

Can Oly play SF?

Now wouldn't that solve all our problems?  Man if he was about 75% quicker on D, maybe?  His height and smarts make up for some of that, but cmon...

I don't see why KO and Sully can't start at PF in different games depending on matchups?  We get a big rim protector 5 who is great at D, and then alternate KO and Sully as needed.  Is that too messed up?  They both get at least 25 min a game, but we adjust based on matchups.

I like this idea. Sully & Oly should both get proper minutes but ideally you rotate them with a primary center in the mold of a Sanders, Embiid, possibly Vonleh who has the quick hops, shot blocking and mobility to do what KG used to.

Anyone old enough to remember McHale coming off the bench as 6th man?? Yes, you can have a bad ass 6th man and ideally should. KO & Oly can determine who fits that role or Stevens can rotate them based on match up. One or both will incur injuries from time to time so having both is good for depth, different looks and overall health of the roster.

[Boris Badenov]

I think KO projects pretty well as a big guy off the bench. He's valuable in that role because he can score and is a good passer at his position, so he can help to keep offensive momentum going.

It'd also be good having him come off the bench because he needn't have a set position - you could sub him at the position most appropriate given matchups on the other team.

I for one have been really impressed as the season's gone on. KO has IMO established that he's a legit NBA player.

Another good draft pick by Danny, seemingly. Let's keep the momentum on that front in 2014!