Rank our assets!

[Fred Roberts]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing. He's just not a #1 and not a star (sadly).

1. Rondo
2. C's 2014 lotto pick
3. C's 2014 BK pick
4. Sullinger
5. Olynyk
6. C's 2015 1st rounder
7. Avery Bradley (resigned or s&t)
8. Jeff Green
9. 2016 BK pick
10. Hump (resigned or s&t)
11. Bass (trade)
12. $10M trade exception
13. Bogans (trade)

I do not expect us to tank next year (thinking 35-45 wins), and thanks to not having horrible management, I'm not counting our regular 1st round picks as assets beyond next season. If we were the Knicks or Nets, we would. But we have our picks, and that's that. I am also super high on the other BK picks, but again . . . that's a ways away.

[aingeforthree]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing. He's just not a #1 and not a star (sadly).

1. Rondo
2. C's 2014 lotto pick
3. C's 2014 BK pick
4. Sullinger
5. Olynyk
6. C's 2015 1st rounder
7. Avery Bradley (resigned or s&t)
8. Jeff Green
9. 2016 BK pick
10. Hump (resigned or s&t)
11. Bass (trade)
12. $10M trade exception
13. Bogans (trade)

I do not expect us to tank next year (thinking 35-45 wins), and thanks to not having horrible management, I'm not counting our regular 1st round picks as assets beyond next season. If we were the Knicks or Nets, we would. But we have our picks, and that's that. I am also super high on the other BK picks, but again . . . that's a ways away.

Pretty darn good list.  I'm right there with you except for Sullinger being of more value than the Brooklyn pick, and Green a slot higher over Bradley.  Outside of that, perfect.

[PhoSita]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing.

Unless I misunderstood the purpose of the thread, the idea here is to rank trade assets.  Jeff Green may have some value to the Celtics, but that doesn't mean he has significant trade value.

[LarBrd33]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing.

Unless I misunderstood the purpose of the thread, the idea here is to rank trade assets.  Jeff Green may have some value to the Celtics, but that doesn't mean he has significant trade value.

Right... which is why most of us have to disagree with Fred putting Rondo as the #1 asset.   There's no way Rondo is more valuable than our Top 6 pick.   If we can get a Top 6 pick for Rondo this summer... we need to do that.

[IlCapitano]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing.

Unless I misunderstood the purpose of the thread, the idea here is to rank trade assets.  Jeff Green may have some value to the Celtics, but that doesn't mean he has significant trade value.

Right... which is why most of us have to disagree with Fred putting Rondo as the #1 asset.   There's no way Rondo is more valuable than our Top 6 pick.   If we can get a Top 6 pick for Rondo this summer... we need to do that.

I don't understand this. Why give up on your only star player for a young guy who's just coming into the league? Where does that leave us? We won't be in contention for good 3 more years after this season if that's the case.

With Rondo,lottery pick from this year or trade for that pick, few solid free agents which certainly could be available this summer and developing Sully, Kelly and Avery, this is a very good team.

[Vermont Green]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing.

Unless I misunderstood the purpose of the thread, the idea here is to rank trade assets.  Jeff Green may have some value to the Celtics, but that doesn't mean he has significant trade value.

Right... which is why most of us have to disagree with Fred putting Rondo as the #1 asset.   There's no way Rondo is more valuable than our Top 6 pick.   If we can get a Top 6 pick for Rondo this summer... we need to do that.

It seems I am in the minority but I think Rondo is our most valuable trade asset.  Just last year, Jrue Holiday got back a #6 pick and a future protected pick.  So by that Metric, Rondo is surely worth more than just a #6 pick even in what in what is perceived to be a deeper draft (but may not be if Parker stays and Embiid turns out to be the next Hasheem Thabeet).

Nobody thinks Jrue Holiday is worth more than Rondo on the trade market, right?  So if the Lakers end up with the #6 pick, is everyone saying we should trade Rondo for that Pick?  Or #5 or #7, does that change the value all that much?

[jambr380]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing.

Unless I misunderstood the purpose of the thread, the idea here is to rank trade assets.  Jeff Green may have some value to the Celtics, but that doesn't mean he has significant trade value.

Right... which is why most of us have to disagree with Fred putting Rondo as the #1 asset.   There's no way Rondo is more valuable than our Top 6 pick.   If we can get a Top 6 pick for Rondo this summer... we need to do that.

I don't understand this. Why give up on your only star player for a young guy who's just coming into the league? Where does that leave us? We won't be in contention for good 3 more years after this season if that's the case.

With Rondo,lottery pick from this year or trade for that pick, few solid free agents which certainly could be available this summer and developing Sully, Kelly and Avery, this is a very good team.

Somebody like Rondo who was top 2 in his rookie class and even someone like Green who has a pretty solid hold on 6th in his class show just how not deep drafts actually are.

I understand cost controlled rookie contracts compared to those in their 'prime' making decent money, but the risk of choosing a dud (or near dud) always looms. While this logic doesn't always hold true (most anybody would trade Green for the 6th pick in this draft), trading a very good player for somebody you hope is as good someday only makes sense if you are trying to get younger and start from scratch; otherwise you are always living in the 'grass is always greener' category.

[jay]

At some point Danny is going to combine his assets and try to get two top level players.  I brought up Wall/Cousins recently.  Love/Westbrook would be even better.  And of course it doesnt have to be guys from the same school, but it cant hurt in convincing them, to play together.

That leaves us with two top 7 picks.  I would trade one of them along with 2 future picks for a top player.  I would trade better future picks for Westbrook and trade lesser future picks for Love because they would ask for Sullinger.

1: Trade Rondo for filler and a top 7 pick, draft day trade.  (Lakers or Kings)

2: Green/Sullinger/Faverani/Top7pick/Clippers 15 pick/Nets future pick for Kevin Love. Also swap 18th for 13th.

3: Bass/Bogans/Anthony/Top7 pick/Celtics2015/Nets future pick for Westbrook


Try to move up from 18th pick to 13th pick as part of the Love trade and pick up a SF out of the Anderson/McDermott/Grant/Hood/Gordon grouip.  Resign Avery Bradley.


Westbrook
Bradley
Wallace
Love
Olynyk
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6th man - the SF drafted with 13th pick



Trades allow TWolves to get Sullinger and draft picks while not losing Love as a free agent.  OKC could take a bunch of expiring contracts for Westbrook, take a top 7 player in the draft to possibly replace him in the future, and keep enough money to keep Ibaka and others. 

Not much depth after top 7, but you would have Pressey plus whoever you gets a filler for Rondo.  The main thing is you have two players that are top 15 in the league and you can fill out with veterans on one year contracts like Miami does. 

[2short]

In general our first round picks are more valuable than the current players.

Yep, spot on.

Agreed

Agreed as well
As far as players
Rondo
Sully
Olynyk
Green
Bradley in sign and trade
Bass
Bogans contract

[Smokeeye123]

Limiting the ranking to current 2015 assets

#1 - BOS 2014 1st
#2 - Rondo
#3 - Sullinger
#4 - BKN 2014 1st
#5 - BOS 2015 1st
#6 - Olynyk
#7 - LAC 2015 1st
#8 - Bradley
#9 - Green
#10 - Bass

Lists, in general, are subjective, but especially these types. Rondo might be #1 for one team and #8 for another. Sacramento and Houston's reported offer for Rondo was surprising and impressive, as I had under estimated his trade value. 1st rounders are as flexible an asset as there is in the league, making it the easiest to rank. The question to ask is, would team B trade us #1 for #2?

The brooklyn #18 pick is more valuable than our pick next year which will probably be late Lotto?

I'd guess the immediacy of the 2014 Brooklyn pick makes it more valuable... but there's a good chance our 2015 pick will be Top 5.   Our team was awful this year... if we decide to trade Rondo and build around Vonleh, it will take us a few years minimum to build up.

Call me insane but I think if we trade Rondo we will win MORE games next year. On a team with a bunch of youngsters and no elite shooters Rondo just hogs the ball and makes each possession harder to score.

The tank really came into fruition when he came back. Also I'd be kinda shocked if Danny didnt make some major move this offseason by trading for Aldridge or another secondary star.

[obnoxiousmime]

Rondo does not have more value than a low lottery picks because:

1) He only has one year on his contract remaining and he has no reason to guarantee re-signing with anybody. Not to mention, there are rumors he'd be seeking a big raise as opposed to one of the more modest extension options.
2) He is coming off a serious injury.
3) PG is actually a very deep position these days, relatively.
4) Shooting is more valued by the analytics people running organizations these days (generally).
5) Any team could use draft picks, making the market for them a lot bigger than attempting to fit a player onto your team.

The fact that draft picks don't always pan out is inconsequential to its value. The value of something is how much you can get for it, and GMs love draft picks. When you trade a pick, the other GM is not thinking about the possibility for a bust. He's thinking wow I could get this many great young players with all these picks! It's also about selling the hope of all those picks to your fans. They're like "bottled promise." Scenes from a brand new day. Hope dancing in stiletto heels...

Also you can't use Jrue Holliday as a comparison because every situation is different. To a young team like New Orleans, maybe Jrue Holliday at 23 years old WAS more valuable than a Rondo. I guess my point is it's not as simple as saying "Rondo is a better PG overall than Holliday at this present moment so therefore he should get more in return."

By the way, if that deal had been available for Rondo I think Ainge would have jumped on it. Unfortunately Rondo was injured and now his contract makes him harder to deal.

[footey]

I generally agree with the order of OP.  I think in a year Sullinger and KO will swap order. I see more upside in KO this coming year.

[Vox_Populi]

I generally agree with the order of OP.  I think in a year Sullinger and KO will swap order. I see more upside in KO this coming year.

I'm curious why some people feel this way. Sully is younger than Olynyk and is clearly our second best player by both the eye test and a variety of metrics. I don't see Kelly ever being more valuable. At least, next season.

[Celtics4ever]

To me our number one asset is our franchise history, our number two is former players and number three is DA.   Our players are meh.

[BballTim]

I like this game.

I'm a lot higher on Jeff Green as an asset than others. If we are trying to win now, he helps the C's. This is not a toxic asset a la Gerald Wallace. The man has several legitimate NBA skills and height, talent & athleticism (defensive potential) that is desirable given match ups w/ today's freak athletes on the wing.

Unless I misunderstood the purpose of the thread, the idea here is to rank trade assets.  Jeff Green may have some value to the Celtics, but that doesn't mean he has significant trade value.

Right... which is why most of us have to disagree with Fred putting Rondo as the #1 asset.   There's no way Rondo is more valuable than our Top 6 pick.   If we can get a Top 6 pick for Rondo this summer... we need to do that.

   Most people (and some GMs) have fairly unrealistic expectations from draft picks. Check out some of the articles on expected value of draft picks on 82games or basketballreference or other such sites, or check out all the #6 picks over the last 15-20 years. Jeff Green would probably be better than average. If you want to argue that you think a # 6 pick would have more trade value than Rondo that's one thing. If you feel we "need" to trade Rondo for a prospect that's likely to be a worse player in the long run than Jeff Green that's something else.