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Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2014, 03:06:36 PM »

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Ugh, I guess I'll be the jerk rooting for the team to squeeze out as many wins as possible again next year.  I don't know if Danny can put together a title contender this summer.  It seems far-fetched, but not impossible.

I'd certainly rather see a 40 to 45 win low seed playoff team than another tank team, though.
I'm with you next year.   I think Ainge is too.   I figured this was a 3-5 year rebuild, but I think next year the restrictions are lifted and we give a genuine effort towards winning games.   Rooting for the tank-job is a once-a-decade thing.  I'm over it.  We successfully pulled it off this year.  Let's scrape together those 35 wins next year.   It should be an exciting one.  Hopefully we trim off some of the fat and give some big minutes to Sully, Oly and the guy we're picking #7.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2014, 04:26:44 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2014, 04:39:07 PM »

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I don't think it's a tank job next year, but I'm hopeful that ownership will spend money to get another future asset or two by taking on someone else's mostly bad salary (like a Nash or Perk, for instance).  I don't anticipate us getting any veteran difference makers next year, and we already have guys like Wallace and Anthony on the roster who aren't all that useful taking up a lot of salary space.  I'd like the core of the team to keep developing, and maybe sneak it's way into a playoff spot, while saving bullets/acquiring more for the summer of 2015.  Sure , if a Love, Marc Gasol, Aldridge, etc. fell into our lap, sign me up.  But I don't think that's likely to happen except for a very steep price, and one that's not worth it given the risks that said acquisition bolts for free agency the following summer, and given the unlikelihood that our team is a true contender with just one of them.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2014, 04:39:12 PM »

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Speaking of tanking for 2015...


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The official measurements of Team USA for the 2014 Nike Hoop Summit were released on Saturday.

Player: Height, Wing Span
Cliff Alexander: 6-8, 7-3.5
Joel Berry II: 6-.25, 6-3.25
James Blackmon: 6-3, 6-8.5
Stanley Johnson: 6-7, 6-11
Tyus Jones: 6-1.25, 6-3
Jahlil Okafor: 6-10.75, 7-5
Kelly Oubre: 6-6.5, 7-2
Theo Pinson: 6-6, 6-11
Reid Travis: 6-8, 7-0
Myles Turner: 6-11.5, 7-3.75
Justise Winslow: 6-6, 6-10

As of now Okafor, Tuner, and Alexander are supposed to go top 3. Great measurements for all 3.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2014, 04:43:35 PM »

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Speaking of tanking for 2015...


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The official measurements of Team USA for the 2014 Nike Hoop Summit were released on Saturday.

Player: Height, Wing Span
Cliff Alexander: 6-8, 7-3.5
Joel Berry II: 6-.25, 6-3.25
James Blackmon: 6-3, 6-8.5
Stanley Johnson: 6-7, 6-11
Tyus Jones: 6-1.25, 6-3
Jahlil Okafor: 6-10.75, 7-5
Kelly Oubre: 6-6.5, 7-2
Theo Pinson: 6-6, 6-11
Reid Travis: 6-8, 7-0
Myles Turner: 6-11.5, 7-3.75
Justise Winslow: 6-6, 6-10

As of now Okafor, Tuner, and Alexander are supposed to go top 3. Great measurements for all 3.

Forget those guys, I want Pinson.  How can you not like a guy who dunks over his mom in a dunk contest? ;D

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2014, 04:50:42 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

I find that unrealistically pessimistic.  What valuable player are they losing to free agency?  Humphries?  Bayless?  It's not like those guys have won us all that many games.  A full year of a healthy Rondo, plus improvement from guys like Sully and KO aren't going to make this team worse.  Will those draft picks be of instant help?  Probably not for the full year, depending on who's picked, but as KO has shown, it's possible for those picks to impact the team more as they year goes on.

Do I think that we're making the playoffs with nothing but adding some draft picks and players at the periphery?  It's pretty unlikely unless a healthy Rondo truly is a Hall of Famer, or one of those picks is way more NBA ready than expected.  But I see no reason to think this team will be any worse next year, considering we're losing no one of real consequence. 

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2014, 04:54:24 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

I find that unrealistically pessimistic.  What valuable player are they losing to free agency?  Humphries?  Bayless?  It's not like those guys have won us all that many games.  A full year of a healthy Rondo, plus improvement from guys like Sully and KO aren't going to make this team worse.  Will those draft picks be of instant help?  Probably not for the full year, depending on who's picked, but as KO has shown, it's possible for those picks to impact the team more as they year goes on.

Do I think that we're making the playoffs with nothing but adding some draft picks and players at the periphery?  It's pretty unlikely unless a healthy Rondo truly is a Hall of Famer, or one of those picks is way more NBA ready than expected.  But I see no reason to think this team will be any worse next year, considering we're losing no one of real consequence.
everyone in the east is getting better. the bobcats are a 6th seed, the wiz are in the playoffs, the knicks which are better than us still barely missed the playoffs. philly and orlando might both get a top pick.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2014, 05:10:53 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

I find that unrealistically pessimistic.  What valuable player are they losing to free agency?  Humphries?  Bayless?  It's not like those guys have won us all that many games.  A full year of a healthy Rondo, plus improvement from guys like Sully and KO aren't going to make this team worse.  Will those draft picks be of instant help?  Probably not for the full year, depending on who's picked, but as KO has shown, it's possible for those picks to impact the team more as they year goes on.

Do I think that we're making the playoffs with nothing but adding some draft picks and players at the periphery?  It's pretty unlikely unless a healthy Rondo truly is a Hall of Famer, or one of those picks is way more NBA ready than expected.  But I see no reason to think this team will be any worse next year, considering we're losing no one of real consequence.
everyone in the east is getting better. the bobcats are a 6th seed, the wiz are in the playoffs, the knicks which are better than us still barely missed the playoffs. philly and orlando might both get a top pick.

Philly stinks.  They're not getting better.  They're not trying to get better.  And heck, if a miracle happens for them and they make the playoffs, we get a 1st-round pick, so that's a fine consolation prize.
Milwaukee stinks.
Detroit stinks, and might not have Monroe next year.
Cleveland stinks and could lose Deng.
Orlando hasn't been any better than us this year, and have about the same likelihood as we have to improve (some young players in major roles, two draft picks in 2014), minus having Rondo.
The best New York can do is hope to stay the same by keeping Melo.  They can't add any free agents and have no draft picks, and no one to trade.  If they lose Melo, it's an even further plummet downhill.  They're old, brittle, and have no flexibility in payroll.
Atlanta's best player has had the same season-ending injury twice.  With Horford, they might bounce back quite nicely, but unfortunately for Horford (who's one of my favorite players), he can't be counted upon at this point.  They've had a .400 winning percentage in the 3.5 months they've been without him.  That's not a team that's anything special.

Charlotte, Washington -- whatever.  They're mediocre teams who might make the playoffs again, but their ability to do that doesn't mean that the Celtics will have in any measure gotten worse.  Maybe it means they haven't gotten better enough, but that's not the same as the hyperbolic statement nick made.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2014, 06:30:52 PM »

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Depends if Rondo is traded..
If that is the plan then get jabari or wiggins any way possible and then tank & give up what we have to to get one of the elite bigs coming through 2015-2018.
I hope people are bracing for a looooong rebuild because that may just be the case if we can't get Rondo any decent stallions to gallop with.
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Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2014, 06:43:53 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

This.  Next year will be the bottom of the rebuild IMO.  I'm still of the impression that Rondo will be moved this off-season.  Possibly Green as well.  But I think this will be a much more palatable rebuild year since we will more young talent to watch develop.


Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2014, 07:59:34 PM »

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Stevens is the wrong coach for tanking .....he reminds me of Doug Collins

His brain is wired to never ....ever give up.....not one inch.

Well that's great if you already have all the talent you need to compete with a OKC , Miami, and Houston

He is not going to let Danny tank a game ....much less a season.

I think there is going to issues with him and Rondo on this front,

Rondo is tanking I believe .

We have to keep Rondo....he is our only draw for serious talent , especially since Stevens won't even tank four stupid games at the end of the season to help the team

How are the Celtics ever going to get good players ?

Stevens May gave screwed the team with his ego trip to never let a game slide for the betterment of the organization.

I'm very distressed at all this.

Handing over lottery picks to LA .....just isn't right.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2014, 08:20:34 PM »

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We are one roster-balancing veteran defensive center away from being a 4-6 seed next year, with a healthy Rondo and developing Sully/Olynyk duo, with Green filling out a balanced starting 5. Sully is 6th man material to perfection.

We are surely not tanking next season.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2014, 08:29:32 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

I find that unrealistically pessimistic.  What valuable player are they losing to free agency?  Humphries?  Bayless?  It's not like those guys have won us all that many games.  A full year of a healthy Rondo, plus improvement from guys like Sully and KO aren't going to make this team worse.  Will those draft picks be of instant help?  Probably not for the full year, depending on who's picked, but as KO has shown, it's possible for those picks to impact the team more as they year goes on.

Do I think that we're making the playoffs with nothing but adding some draft picks and players at the periphery?  It's pretty unlikely unless a healthy Rondo truly is a Hall of Famer, or one of those picks is way more NBA ready than expected.  But I see no reason to think this team will be any worse next year, considering we're losing no one of real consequence.
everyone in the east is getting better. the bobcats are a 6th seed, the wiz are in the playoffs, the knicks which are better than us still barely missed the playoffs. philly and orlando might both get a top pick.

  You hear that every year. Last offseason the teams that were getting better included the Cavs, Pistons and Bucks, probably the Knicks as well.

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2014, 08:30:46 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

  How could adding two players make us worse than we are now?

Re: Will the Celtics be tanking in 2015?
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2014, 08:40:13 PM »

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I truly believe that if Ainge holds onto the 2 first rounders from this year that the Celtics may just be worse next year than this year. And they won't have to tank. They will just suck.

  How could adding two players make us worse than we are now?

I agree nick.

Bc they'll likely replace veterans like humphries. I also think the talent levels of the other tanking teams will get much better. Both Philly and Orlando have two lotto picks and their top picks should be better then ours. Kings are committed to winning now. The lakers seem committed to winning now with Kobe and should bring in vets with the cap space.

Utah and Milwaukee could still be pretty bad too. But Milwaukee could get a healthy sanders and a better Ersan and Oj.


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