Would you bring back Bayless and Pressey next season?

[Celtics18]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Phil Pressey was already signed for next season and the one after that for less than $1 million a year.

I certainly don't see any reason to straight up cut him.  So, unless he's traded, I would say that he should definitely be brought back.

 

[satch]

Pressey plays hungry. My guess he is a worker. If he develops some range and consistency with his outside shot he is a keeper. This time next year I think he could start.

[Donoghus]

Pressey? Yes.  As a cheap backup option off the bench, I'm totally fine with him.

Bayless?  I lean towards No.  Just something about his game that's not appealing.  A bit of a chucker and just someone I think they can let walk and not feel the effects.

[clover]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Phil Pressey was already signed for next season and the one after that for less than $1 million a year.

I certainly don't see any reason to straight up cut him.  So, unless he's traded, I would say that he should definitely be brought back.

I don't believe those years are guaranteed. But unless there's a real logjam on the roster, I'd be glad to see Pressey back.

[BigAlTheFuture]

Pressey, yes. Bayless, no. Not a fan of Bayless.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Bayless has a better price tag,  similar shooting ability , better three ball and decent Defense and Wants to be a Celtic........probably significantly cheaper than AB.  Bayless seems to have found a home and is playing practically good as Lee was cheaper. Good deal DA.

Pressey is a good little back up spark plug ......for the cheap......he may get better ...I think he will.

I'll take Pressey and Bayless salary .......and let Avery slide .

Pressey and Bayless do not seem accident prone and are tuff even though they are small. 

Rondos and Bradley's per numbers together are horrible .....did I read a -23 in an article for this season.

Rather draft a top 20 guard and let AB go.


Next season is another tank deal too I figure , lots of players with short contracts to fill the bench , till Wallace , Anthony , Bass and Green can be chucked off.

can't really disagree with any of that. My how times have changed eh? just a couple years back everyone claimed AB was the glue that kept us together and got us into the playoffs. lol.

[blink]

I think Pressey hustles and is probably a hard working kid, but I don't feel he is a rotation worthy point guard on a playoff team, at least not yet.  I don't really have much of an opinion about Bayless, he is inconsistent (like the rest of the team) and has shown at times to be a scorer which is what we really really need.

If we don't pick up any guards in the draft, I don't mind them staying.  But I would be more happy to package them in a trade that makes us better.  I don't think they are building blocks at all for the C's.

[crimson_stallion]

Only if we cant find a better replacement on similar value contracts.  Both players are solid, but replaceable. 

[crimson_stallion]

Bayless has a better price tag,  similar shooting ability , better three ball and decent Defense and Wants to be a Celtic........probably significantly cheaper than AB.  Bayless seems to have found a home and is playing practically good as Lee was cheaper. Good deal DA.

Bradley was shooting a pretty consistent 45% from the field and 37% from three before the injuries hit, and he's been scoring a consistent 17 points per 36 minutes throughout the season as well.

Bayless RIGHT NOW is shooting similar percentages from the field and from three (around 42% and 39%) but only averaging 15 points per 36 minutes, and when I checked a couple of weeks ago his percentages were far lower...which suggests to me he has been more inconsistent than Bradley.

In Bradley's defense he averages slightly less turnovers, significantly more rebounds (5 rebounds per 36 vs 3 for Bayless) and is obviously has far greater defensive talent (even if it hasn't translatest to results this season).  He's younger, he's more athletic and he has playoff experience.

Bayless on the other hand is far better passer and ball handler, and these skills allows greater flexibility because he can play either guard position.  Plus he's not as much of an injury risk, which is a big one.

I really like Avery Bradley and he's one of my favorite players on this team, but I have to say that if I were a GM and had to choose between Bradley at $8M or Bayless at $3M and all I was interesting in was filling a hole (i.e. not choosing on potential)...I would have to go with Bayless. 

I Bradley's limitated PG skills and injury history admittedly do hurt his value.

Plus if you are in the position to compete for a top 4 pick in this years draft (which we is an opportunity we may well get) then you can potentially draft Dante Exum, who's defensive talents make Avery Bradley more or less dispensable.

The difference between Bradley and Bayless IMO is that Bradley is more suited to a starting role, because he has a clear postition (SG), he has an elite talent (defense), he plays with the type of heart and hustle that can win playoff games, and he looks to have a good amount of untapped potential.  I feel like he would be the absolute perfect 5th starter on a contender because he could fill the role of a 3+D guy who can get in to the heads of your opponent and who will make those 50/50 hustle plays that win close games (i.e. Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, Derek Fisher).

Bayless on the other hand is textbook 6th man to me.  He isn't really "Elite" at anything, but he is above average in most skill areas.  He's the perfect guy to come off the bench to backup either guard position as an 'instant offense' guy off the bench.

Bayless, Hump and Olynyk are three guys I would love to see coming off the bench next season.  Bayless gives you that guy who can create his own offense, Hump gives you the hustle and toughness, and Olynyk is a skilled shooter who can stretch the floor.

[LooseCannon]

Bayless would be an acceptable bench guard on a cheap contract.

Pressey is unguaranteed if waived before July 15.  Last year, the Orlando summer league was over by that date.  I haven't seen anything special about him, so I think that if his contract is not used as trade ballast, you give him a last chance to earn his spot in summer league.  There's a decent chance that Ainge finds another undrafted rookie free agent to take his place.

[PhoSita]

There's no real harm in bringing back Pressey because he's so cheap.

That said, I'm not very optimistic about Pressey's future in the league, simply because he doesn't have much of an offensive game other than passing the ball, and he's too small to have any long-term potential defensively.  He's a career third-stringer in all likelihood, if not a D-League guy.

Bayless may be worth keeping around, assuming he doesn't expect much more than he's currently making.  He can handle the ball as a point guard, but he can also score the ball and play with Rondo as an off-guard.  He's actually pretty close to as effective offensively as Bradley, only with more streak-scoring ability.  Provided Ainge doesn't draft a combo guard, the team will likely have a use for a veteran with Bayless's skillset.

[SHAQATTACK]

Bayless has a better price tag,  similar shooting ability , better three ball and decent Defense and Wants to be a Celtic........probably significantly cheaper than AB.  Bayless seems to have found a home and is playing practically good as Lee was cheaper. Good deal DA.

Pressey is a good little back up spark plug ......for the cheap......he may get better ...I think he will.

I'll take Pressey and Bayless salary .......and let Avery slide .

Pressey and Bayless do not seem accident prone and are tuff even though they are small. 

Rondos and Bradley's per numbers together are horrible .....did I read a -23 in an article for this season.

Rather draft a top 20 guard and let AB go.


Next season is another tank deal too I figure , lots of players with short contracts to fill the bench , till Wallace , Anthony , Bass and Green can be chucked off.

can't really disagree with any of that. My how times have changed eh? just a couple years back everyone claimed AB was the glue that kept us together and got us into the playoffs. lol.

Yeah man..... AB was one of my fav players.   Loved his defense off the bench and energy. Unique player .  Energy man.

He failed miserably as a point guard.   No handle , no passing ability, low court vision, poor finisher.....whew ...stinks at this position.

He has become a fair shooter of twos.....not threes......this with lower defense effort ......is not enough to endear me to him anymore.

Bayless and Pressey combined skills offers more value and flexibility than AB at the price range Avery is thinking he deserves

I think moreover .....Bradley's injury issues prohibit long term contracts at any amount.  He is too risky health wise.  Probably should move on , draft some guys over the next two seasons .

[Fafnir]

Pressey is fine as the third PG, though given his awful shooting I wouldn't mind Danny finding another option either.

Not a huge fan of Bayless.

[manl_lui]

Bayless, definitely, for the right price, I want him back to back up Rondo. Pressey, idk...I like him, but not sure if he is on our long term plan

Whenever I see Pressey play, I am thinking about Stevens and Doc

had Pressey played under Doc, would he even see that much playing time? Under Stevens, and on a bad team, Pressey can flat out play the point guard role very very well. He finds the right people at the right time, can play the passing lane on defense pretty well, and very quick

[nickagneta]

Really to early to ask such questions. The draft lottery and draft day will really determine who comes back and who doesn't. The unknowns about what may happen there puts too much in question about the players on this team that have to have decisions made on them. The Cetics don't have a major future contributor who's contract needs to take precedence over the draft, and yes, that includes Avery Bradley.

So as of now the Celtics look like, without trades, to have is

Rondo
Wallace
Green
Bass
Sullinger
Olynyk
Faverani

The Celtics, without trades, will have two rookies from this year's first round. That's nine players, so yes, the Celtics will need cheap bodies but I believe they can probably upgrade the talent level from that of Babb, Johnson, Pressey, Bradley, and Bayless.

I honestly see Humphries coming back and contributing to this team next year before I see Pressey, Babb or Johnson back. I also see Bradley resigning for a decent price. Between Bogans, Pressey, Babb and Johnson, the Celtics have $7.6 million in non-guaranteed money to trade away for a contract that some other team doesn't want. I think they are all gone for someone good coming in on a contract someone doesn't want to pay.