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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2014, 02:19:46 PM »

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Picking 18th instead of 15th or so like I was hoping for earlier this year is annoying, but I'm glad that the Nets at least had that horrible streak in the beginning of the season.  I was watching them last night and I don't see them losing any time soon.  Pierce looks really good.

Anyways, the great thing is that there are a lot of bad GMs drafting in the first 18 picks and a lot of upperclassmen are going to slide up the boards with the tournament going on.  We just need a couple of other teams to draft the likes of Cleanthony Early (22 year old 6'8" PF, no thanks), Doug McDermott or whoever the hell the Cavs are going to draft for us to snag someone like Jusuf Nurkic or Rodney Hood late.  I really am glad we have Danny picking for us.

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2014, 03:39:44 PM »

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On the main page, there's a post on Ainge and the draft where the idea of trading down came up and, frankly, that seems like a real possibility.  You don't normally see that in the lottery but given who is likely available and the positions they play, PG and PF, it's easy to see Ainge trading down from 8 to, say, 11 or 12 and grab WCS and either a later first rounder or an early 2nd round pick.

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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2014, 04:18:08 PM »

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I am going to assume that the Brooklyn Nets do not move out of the 18th spot in the draft and will therefore end up giving the Celtics that 18th pick in the draft. So given that, if the Celtics win the lottery I think they choose Wiggins as I think Danny would have Wiggins at the top of his draft board. The upside potential of Wiggins is the highest in the class.

If the Celtics select Wiggins I would expect them to trade the second 1st rounder possibly with Jeff Green for a center. Yes I am thinking Houston sending Asik, possibly in a three way. Just seems that with a very good chance of Wiggins being able to give this team as much if not more than Green, it makes sense to move Green and the pick to assure a rim protecting center and assuring Sullinger gets switched to his natural PF position. A Rondo-Bradley-Wiggins-Sully-Asik starting rotation could be very good and probably the team would be more willing to get that center than care about losing a redundant piece in Green and a mid first that might require another young player needing development when you already have Sully, KO, Wiggins, Faverani, and possibly Johnson and/or Pressey, though I am very pessimistic on those two being on the team next year.

Selecting 2nd and 3rd is a bit more complex because it depends on who was off the board at #1 and who is left. If you can still land Wiggins over anyone else while selecting 2nd or 3rd then you do it and probably still trade the 18th pick. If Wiggins is gone then I believe Embiid has to be the pick. I trust Parker to be able to be more sooner and be able to contribute as early as next year offensively but I think Embiid's potential and physical stature and natural athleticism makes him the higher upside of the 2 at a position of greatest need on this team. That I think makes Embiid the pick at 2 and since the C's are going to bring along Embiid slow, with the 18th pick I think they take who is left of Garry Harris, Nik Stauskas, TJ Warren and Rodney Hood. All these players I think the Celtics could utilize next year in the rotation much like Olynyk has been this year and Sully the year before while Embiid is brought along more slowly.

Selcting 3rd, if the Celtics win that slot, I think means taking whoever is left of the top three players: Embiid, Wiggins, Parker. Having already looked at the scenarios of selecting Embiid and Wiggins then lets assume at the 3rd pick Wiggins and Embiid are gone and so the Celtics take Parker. That probably means Jeff Green is gone and I could see a scenario playing out where the C's move Green and the pick for Asik again. But I could also see selecting Parker and then taking a shot at Cauley-Stein at pick 18. If he is unavailable I could see the Celtics looking to grab a shooter and moving the 18th pick up or down to grab a shooter like Stauskas, Bogdanovic or Hairston to compliment the Bradley/Rondo backcourt.

Selecting later I believe the Celtics have to take BPA. I value Tyler Ennis more highly than some and think after the top 3 he might be the best player in this class in a few years. But selecting him is problematic because the Celtics have Rondo. Does Danny take BPA whether that be Ennis or Smart, when the best player you already have and have spent a year installing as the face of your franchise, is Rondo? If so Rondo will have to go, eventually. But it also means needing to keep your 18th pick and try to land another player to add to mix somewhere else because you just drafted your backup plan at PG high in the draft so now you have to hit again with the second pick. Here is where I think Ainge could raft on potential and guys like Jerami Grant, Clint Capela, and Dario Saric come into the thinking.

Hoping for the best of the best but even looking at all the various scenarios that could happen, if you like young talent and seeing it develop, you are probably going to love watching this team next year, when they will absolutely suck once again but the young guys should be growing.

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2014, 05:39:48 PM »

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If the Celtics select Wiggins I would expect them to trade the second 1st rounder possibly with Jeff Green for a center. Yes I am thinking Houston sending Asik, possibly in a three way. Just seems that with a very good chance of Wiggins being able to give this team as much if not more than Green, it makes sense to move Green and the pick to assure a rim protecting center and assuring Sullinger gets switched to his natural PF position.

That makes sense if you project forward a couple of years.  There is almost zero chance we get nearly as much out of Wiggins as a rookie as we have Green this year, especially on defense.  Unless he starts mainlining human growth hormone, I can't see Wiggins being able to defend most NBA small forwards by this October.  Now, if we're also going to be sending 4 1st and salary filler to New York for Carmello?  THAT would be something to see.

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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2014, 05:50:46 PM »

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If the Celtics select Wiggins I would expect them to trade the second 1st rounder possibly with Jeff Green for a center. Yes I am thinking Houston sending Asik, possibly in a three way. Just seems that with a very good chance of Wiggins being able to give this team as much if not more than Green, it makes sense to move Green and the pick to assure a rim protecting center and assuring Sullinger gets switched to his natural PF position.

That makes sense if you project forward a couple of years.  There is almost zero chance we get nearly as much out of Wiggins as a rookie as we have Green this year, especially on defense.  Unless he starts mainlining human growth hormone, I can't see Wiggins being able to defend most NBA small forwards by this October.  Now, if we're also going to be sending 4 1sts and salary filler to New York for Carmello?  THAT would be something to see.

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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2014, 05:52:15 PM »

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All depends on the ping pong balls...

if we pick 4 or lower I would like to get marcus smart.

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2014, 06:07:35 PM »

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It seems that there are a few fantastic observers of college talent at Cblog.  Most of us (like me) are clueless.

I think it would be great if there were a few threads running here simultaneously on draft night where a few of the Cblog experts can run their own Mel Kiper(ish) best players still available lists -- updated with each pick with perhaps a piece on the team that is 'on the board' and their needs.

I suggest competing threads since I think it will be interesting to hear multiple takes with each thread-leader able to take it in their own direction.  Would be an exciting night heading up to the C's 18th (or 20th) pick.  Really needed for those like me who know nothing about college players.

 

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2014, 07:07:30 PM »

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Tradin' the picks.

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2014, 09:07:56 PM »

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I'm still a believer in Wiggins and would also love to get Ennis with our second 1st. I think the idea of Ennis, Wiggins and Sullinger with Olynyk as the 3rd big is a great foundation with complementary skillets. We still would have Rondo, Bradley and Green as trade bait to fill out the rest of the roster. Bring team Canada to Boston!
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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2014, 09:30:13 PM »

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If the Celtics select Wiggins I would expect them to trade the second 1st rounder possibly with Jeff Green for a center. Yes I am thinking Houston sending Asik, possibly in a three way. Just seems that with a very good chance of Wiggins being able to give this team as much if not more than Green, it makes sense to move Green and the pick to assure a rim protecting center and assuring Sullinger gets switched to his natural PF position. A Rondo-Bradley-Wiggins-Sully-Asik starting rotation could be very good and probably the team would be more willing to get that center than care about losing a redundant piece in Green and a mid first that might require another young player needing development when you already have Sully, KO, Wiggins, Faverani, and possibly Johnson and/or Pressey, though I am very pessimistic on those two being on the team next year.

Given a choice, I think Ainge would rather trade Bass as filler or use the trade exception to acquire Asik rather than give up Green.  Green is a better player than Bass, so it makes sense to give up no more talent than you have to in any deal.

Just because you take Wiggins with a high pick, that doesn't mean you automatically insert him into the starting lineup.  Even if you do start Wiggins, Green can be a versatile sixth man who can theoretically back up multiple positions.  If you get Houston to accept Bass and his expiring contract, that opens up more playing time so that it makes more sense to consider bringing back Kris Humphries on a short (two-year) deal.
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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2014, 10:01:08 PM »

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I would like to go either wiggins or Parker with our first or Embiid if available and stauskas with our 2nd first. A core of rondo stauskas Parker/wiggins Sullinger Olynk as our longterm pieces would be promising. Who would you guys take? And why?

I don't mind any of the top 5
Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Randle

If we someonehow play above 500 from now until the end of the year and pick 6-9
Warren, Mcdermott, Gordon (Vonleh has really fallen off the map imo)

For our 2nd 1st pick (17-20)
WCS, Stauskus, Capela, Micic,  Birch

At this rate, no way Mcdermott or Warren don't get chosen in the 7-12 area. There is no reason why a guy like Smart should go ahead of these two scoring machines.

Rant: I am SO disappointed with how bad these kids are. I want to pick guys who will help right away and have desire to be great. I think McDermott is just awful. Stauskus is better imho, as far as guys for similar purposes.  I have seen so many crappy, highly sought after players that how can I dislike Exum? I haven't seen him. He almost has to be better than the rest of these awful, oh so athletic kids who look like they have never been coached.

Realistic players I would want to us to pick based on our position: Randle, Stauskus, Early, Exum. I HATE Wiggins. I won't be surpised if Smart is good but given the chance I take Randle or Exum.   

Then again maybe we win the lottery. I would trade that pick for an excellent actual NBA player.


Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2014, 10:16:37 PM »

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I'm hoping we get lucky and get a top 3 pick and take Wiggins or Parker... With the other pick... One of the foreign bigs: Capella, Nurkic, or *Ilimane Diop (expected to declare for next years draft but is eligible for this year....big time potential)

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2014, 11:42:52 PM »

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My bet is McBuckets AND Gordon. Danny will get'em somehow.

Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2014, 07:01:34 AM »

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Rant: I am SO disappointed with how bad these kids are. I want to pick guys who will help right away and have desire to be great.


I'd say that's your problem.

We're talking about 18 and 19 year olds who have probably never spent more than a season or two with the same group of players.  This is the first season for them that they've had teammates anywhere close to their own talent level, or been coached by real coaches.  They've also been playing in systems designed for 1-and-done players.

Expecting these guys to come into the NBA and play like stars right away is unrealistic and silly.  You draft a guy 2-3 years before he finishes growing, and a good 10 years away from his physical prime, you need to give that guy some time. 



This, by the way, is a major problem facing the Celtics.  Unless a blockbuster trade presents itself (i.e. Kevin Love is made available), the Celtics will use their lottery pick on a very young, very talented player who is at least a couple years away from being a major, consistent contributor to a winning team.  The Celtics also have 1st rounders galore in the coming years, and a handful of other decent young players.  Of those players, however, only Sullinger is the only one with the ability to start and produce at an above average level right now.

Despite this, Rondo is just a year away from free agency, and the next deal he gets will take him well into his mid-30s.  This is Rondo's time to compete for meaningful games as a star.
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Re: With our 2 first round picks!
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2014, 04:30:37 PM »

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I've been supporting a Gordon pick, but over the last couple of days have been reading up on Noah Vonleh.  He may not be the most ready NBA player, but he is fast developing and I would be OK with that pick if we don't get Parker/Wiggins/Embid/Randle.  I want nothing to do with Smart or Exum, unless Danny is dealing Rondo.
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