If Avery Bradley asked for 5 mil for 4 years, would you do it?

[Celtics18]

Why would he ask for something worse than the offer he already rejected?

What was the value of the offer he rejected?

[kozlodoev]

Why would he ask for something worse than the offer he already rejected?

What was the value of the offer he rejected?

$6 million for 4 years.

[LooseCannon]

The value of Bradley's next contract should be based on the premise that he is more likely than not to continue improving on offense.

[D.o.s.]

The value of Bradley's next contract should be based on the premise that he is more likely than not to continue improving on offense.

So then the MLE should be more than enough, right?

Also, not to be annoying, but the poll is backwards to the answers (or vice versa).

"Is 5 million for 4 years too much for bradley?"

a-"yes, it's exactly what he deserves"
b-"no, he's not worth that much"

[KGs Knee]

If the C's roster was already set, as in, we had our stars in place, I'd sign Bradley a 4 year $20m contract, possibly even the 4/24 he was reportedly offered already (declined). I think if Bradley was an UFA he could get that much on the open market. He might still.

I'm not interested in signing any role player to that sort of contract at this point in time though. I don't love the idea of tying up precious cap space in role players without the stars already in place.

Hopefully we can bring him back for something more along the lines of $3m per.

[pearljammer10]

If Bradley asked for a 4 year 5$ contract I would say yes.

Per year. No way.

[crimson_stallion]

Hell yes, in a heartbeat.  I wouldn't even think twice, and I think anyone who wouldn't needs to seriously sit down and have an objective think about their decision.

First of all lets look at what Avery Bradley is right now.  On the downside he is relatively undersized at the SG spot, and he lacks the ball handling, court vision or passing skills to be a legit option at PG.  On the upside he's averaging 17 Points and 5 rebounds Per 36 minutes, he's a former All-Defensive 2nd team selection (and one of the best perimeter defenders in the league), he has an outstanding attitude (good work ethic, modest, highly coachable, extremely high motor), he's very athletic and his shooting percentages (44% from the field at 35% from three, 75% on free throws) are pretty solid for a guard who has been forced to take a lot more shots than he has previously been used to.

With Bradley the good strongly outweights the bad, but here's the key factor in this decision.  If you aren't willing to sign Bradley to 5M/year, then who do you seriously see out there who you think would sign for $5M a year, be a better player than Bradley, and is young enough to fit with the team's current direction?

I'll answer this for you - nobody.   There is not a single player on the market who is < 25 years old, who can give you 17 points per 36 minutes with 'decent' shooting efficiency, and who is a who is a well above average defensive player.  Even somebody who meets all of those criteia and DOESN'T play defense will still cost you way more than that - guys like OJ Mayo and Eric Gordon are getting pay days in the $8M-$10M/year range and are below average defensive players.

In reality for $5M at the guard position you might pick up a 30+ year old veteran like Jamaal Crawford or Ray Allen who will give you good constribution in one area (scoring) but nothing else.

Otherwise you will get a younger guard who can score and the skills to be a combo guard, but you'll have to take the gamble on a guy with a bad mentality that will lose you as many games as they will win as a result (somebody like Jordan Crawford). 

To pay $5M a year for an athletic 22-23 year old guard with a great attitude who can dominate a game on the defensive end of the floor and still give you a solid 15-17 points a night would be one of the greatest bargains this league has seen in the past decade.  Lock that guy in for 4 years at that price and you'd be the envy of all the other teams out there based on his potential alone.

Based on Bradley's skill set he is a legit $8M/year player and is well within his rights to expect that type of pay cheque.  He is very much the type of player who could turn an average playoff team into a legit contender due to his attitude and his ability to perform on both ends of the court.  Wheter Boston would be willing to offer that is another question altogether, but I assure you if they don't offer it somebody else will.

[crimson_stallion]

Nope.

4 years / 12 million is what I'd offer.  I might be convinced to go as high as 16 million.

This. Hes not as good as TA on defense, less size, and less proven offensive potential and i thnik TA was 4 per year.

I would argue that he is just as good as TA on defense and far superior offensively...

When Tony Allen left Boston he was a nobody.  He had zero offensive game and was signed purely for his defense.  While in Memphis he developed his offensive game to the point where it still wasn't good, but he at least was not a liability, but this was after he got his pay cheque.

Also as mediocre a passer/ball handler as Bradley is, he's still far better at both areas than Tony Allen was when he left the Celtics.  Tony Allen had the ball handling and passing skills of Brandon Bass and his only offensive ability was layups and dunks either off drives or on the fast break - zero jumpshot.

Avery Bradley right now is already a pretty decent offensive player who can score in multiple ways.  He's a good cutter who can get points off sneaky backdoor cuts, he has a pretty nice midrange pull-up jumper, and he's become very capable of hitting the open three.  He's also a pretty decent free throw shooter and he does get his share of points off drives and fast breaks.

You really cannot compare today's Avery Bradley with Tony Allen.  The intetest in Tony Allen (in his last season with Boston) was purely potenetial based.  He was a defensive beast with good strength, good athleticism and a great motor, but he was a terrible offensive player.   People just hoped that with his physical talents and hard working attitude he would improve on that end of the floor, and he did.

This season Avery Bradley has scored:
< 10 points 14 times
10-14 points 17 times
15-19 points 10 times
20-24 points 7 times
25+ points 3 times

In his final season as a Celtic (2009-2010) Tony Allen scored:
< 10 points 53 times
10-14 points 12 times
15-19 points 3 times
20-24 points 0 times

Both players are former All-Defensive-Team selections and hence elite defensive players.

If Tony Allen was worth $4M when he left Boston than Bradley is worth at least 50% more than that, and anywhere up to double. 

[BballTim]

Nope.

4 years / 12 million is what I'd offer.  I might be convinced to go as high as 16 million.

This. Hes not as good as TA on defense, less size, and less proven offensive potential and i thnik TA was 4 per year.

  How does he have less proven offensive potential than TA?

[PhoSita]

Nope.

4 years / 12 million is what I'd offer.  I might be convinced to go as high as 16 million.

This. Hes not as good as TA on defense, less size, and less proven offensive potential and i thnik TA was 4 per year.

  How does he have less proven offensive potential than TA?

He's certainly more of a shooter.  My feeling -- without looking up stats -- is that TA probably is and has been a significantly better finisher at the rim.

[D.o.s.]

Keep in mind that you'll also be paying for a guy who's missed 68 games over the last three years, so you'd have to have some kind of health incentive.

edit: mistyped. 68 games, not 86

[Phil125]

There is only one way we can sign Bradley and that is to also draft/sign a SF to make up for AB's iffy offense.

[SHAQATTACK]

Not feeling the love for AB for a contract that long


He ll be hurt over half the time ......he is just not worth it ........I'll take Bab and Johnson on the cheap and draft a prospect

[satch]

To small for a two guard.

[Mr October]

Bradley is not good enough to be a starting guard in the NBA. And i really like him better when he can play with hall out energy for under 24 minutes a game.

5 million per year is a big price tag, when we are a rebuilding team in need of flexibility, and a core outside of Rondo.