Parker is the Safest Pick

[D.o.s.]

List me some players who had mediocre to poor tourney showings that did well/is doing well in the nba.

I'm actually drawing a blank here. There are guys who didn't make the tournament and had to play in the NIT that have been stars, but guys eliminated at a high seed by a really low seed that ended up at least as stars? I remember the upset losses after the first round, but nothing like Parker had here.


But, we have guys like Fafnir who has an encyclopedic knowledge of NCAA basketball...so...FAFNIR!

Brandon Roy got bounced in the sweet 16. Roy Hibbert and Georgetown lost in the second round in 2008. Paul George's team didn't even make the NCAA tournament either year he was there, but I guess that doesn't count.

How are we defining mediocre to poor?

[Tr1boy]

List me some players who had mediocre to poor tourney showings that did well/is doing well in the nba.

I'm actually drawing a blank here. There are guys who didn't make the tournament and had to play in the NIT that have been stars, but guys eliminated at a high seed by a really low seed that ended up at least as stars? I remember the upset losses after the first round, but nothing like Parker had here.


But, we have guys like Fafnir who has an encyclopedic knowledge of NCAA basketball...so...FAFNIR!

Brandon Roy got bounced in the sweet 16. Roy Hibbert and Georgetown lost in the second round in 2008. Paul George's team didn't even make the NCAA tournament either year he was there, but I guess that doesn't count.

How are we defining mediocre to poor?

Bounced in the sweet 16?  Just getting there is a nice accomplishment. Hibbert went to the ncaa finals in his last year.

Paul George is an one off incident. The guy is pretty much over achieving in the nba.

Most nice nba players from bird to jordan, have had at least more than exceptional ncaa MM performances. 

[Donoghus]

List me some players who had mediocre to poor tourney showings that did well/is doing well in the nba.

I'm actually drawing a blank here. There are guys who didn't make the tournament and had to play in the NIT that have been stars, but guys eliminated at a high seed by a really low seed that ended up at least as stars? I remember the upset losses after the first round, but nothing like Parker had here.


But, we have guys like Fafnir who has an encyclopedic knowledge of NCAA basketball...so...FAFNIR!

Brandon Roy got bounced in the sweet 16. Roy Hibbert and Georgetown lost in the second round in 2008. Paul George's team didn't even make the NCAA tournament either year he was there, but I guess that doesn't count.

How are we defining mediocre to poor?

Durant got bounced in the 2nd round but his performance wasn't mediocre to poor.  (30 & 9)

"But he couldn't carry his team on the big stage...blah..blah...he's not ready to lead a team" or something like that.   

[fairweatherfan]

Harden laid a complete egg in the tourney his last year.  Lost in the 2nd round and was passive and ineffective.

Eric Gordon was pretty terrible in his one game for Indiana too. 

[Tr1boy]

List me some players who had mediocre to poor tourney showings that did well/is doing well in the nba.

I'm actually drawing a blank here. There are guys who didn't make the tournament and had to play in the NIT that have been stars, but guys eliminated at a high seed by a really low seed that ended up at least as stars? I remember the upset losses after the first round, but nothing like Parker had here.


But, we have guys like Fafnir who has an encyclopedic knowledge of NCAA basketball...so...FAFNIR!

Brandon Roy got bounced in the sweet 16. Roy Hibbert and Georgetown lost in the second round in 2008. Paul George's team didn't even make the NCAA tournament either year he was there, but I guess that doesn't count.

How are we defining mediocre to poor?

Durant got bounced in the 2nd round but his performance wasn't mediocre to poor.  (30 & 9)

"But he couldn't carry his team on the big stage...blah..blah...he's not ready to lead a team" or something like that.   

Your kidding right? Lol

Its not humanely possible durant could of done anymore for his team in the ncaa. What about parker today? His team didnt win but more importantly, how did he do vs a low seeded team?

[Donoghus]

Pierce went 9-19 in a 2nd round exit in his last game at Kansas with a loaded Kansas squad too.

[Donoghus]

List me some players who had mediocre to poor tourney showings that did well/is doing well in the nba.

I'm actually drawing a blank here. There are guys who didn't make the tournament and had to play in the NIT that have been stars, but guys eliminated at a high seed by a really low seed that ended up at least as stars? I remember the upset losses after the first round, but nothing like Parker had here.


But, we have guys like Fafnir who has an encyclopedic knowledge of NCAA basketball...so...FAFNIR!

Brandon Roy got bounced in the sweet 16. Roy Hibbert and Georgetown lost in the second round in 2008. Paul George's team didn't even make the NCAA tournament either year he was there, but I guess that doesn't count.

How are we defining mediocre to poor?

Durant got bounced in the 2nd round but his performance wasn't mediocre to poor.  (30 & 9)

"But he couldn't carry his team on the big stage...blah..blah...he's not ready to lead a team" or something like that.   

Your kidding right? Lol

Its not humanely possible durant could of done anymore for his team in the ncaa. What about parker today? His team didnt win but more importantly, how did he do vs a low seeded team?

Well, Durant's Longhorns got their doors blown off by a lower seed.    Texas was the higher seed in that game.   Couldn't carry them.  Couldn't even keep the game close against an inferior (on paper) team.

[indeedproceed]

Harden laid a complete egg in the tourney his last year.  Lost in the 2nd round and was passive and ineffective.

Eric Gordon was pretty terrible in his one game for Indiana too. 

Harden was the one I couldn't remember. I knew one of those OKC guys had a really bad tourney that hurt his draft stock. I thought it was Westbrook.

I don't think Parker will slip past 4, but when he got taken out with 2 mins for a defensive specialist I thought, 'Awww man, that's bad.'

Suiliman(sp?) and Hood looked like the two hardest playing Dukies on the floor, but they were probably 6 and 7 respectively if you factor Mercer. I just could not believe how bad Duke screwed that up at the end of the game. Total collapse comes to mind .

[LilRip]

It's interesting to see how quickly this board has soured on Parker. A month or 2 ago, he was THE pick. Now people have him going 4th or 6th?? And now Wiggins is the safer pick??

In any case, I still hope we are able to draft Wiggins somehow.

[csfansince60s]

From the RealGM wiretap:

Duke was eliminated in the first round of the NCAA Tournament by Mercer.

Jabari Parker said after the game that his college career is "incomplete" and indicated that it could impact his decision on whether to return to Duke for his sophomore season.

Parker is widely expected to be a top pick in the NBA Draft whenever he declares.
 
Via Andy Katz/ESPN

He is still a top 3 pick guaranteed.

If he falls to 3, the best he could do next year is move up two slots, with no guarantees.

Ask Sully how many slots he could fall though.

No way on earth Parker doesn't declare this year.

He's talking out of anger, embarrassment and frustration.

He'll come to his senses tomorrow morning, if not sooner.


No worries. 

[indeedproceed]

It's interesting to see how quickly this board has soured on Parker. A month or 2 ago, he was THE pick. Now people have him going 4th or 6th?? And now Wiggins is the safer pick??

In any case, I still hope we are able to draft Wiggins somehow.

I won't lie, Parker has been my goal for over a year, but the game today, it was baaaad.

But Id still be beyond ecstatic if he joins the Celtics.

[Tr1boy]

It's interesting to see how quickly this board has soured on Parker. A month or 2 ago, he was THE pick. Now people have him going 4th or 6th?? And now Wiggins is the safer pick??

In any case, I still hope we are able to draft Wiggins somehow.

I won't lie, Parker has been my goal for over a year, but the game today, it was baaaad.

But Id still be beyond ecstatic if he joins the Celtics.

it will be a nightmare for me. Parker and Smart are the two players i least want from the top 6

If Parker is drafted, and if he doesn't improve his body/defense by the start of next season, Stevens is going to yank him not too long after he puts him in the game. He won't get much time on the floor

[indeedproceed]

It's interesting to see how quickly this board has soured on Parker. A month or 2 ago, he was THE pick. Now people have him going 4th or 6th?? And now Wiggins is the safer pick??

In any case, I still hope we are able to draft Wiggins somehow.

I won't lie, Parker has been my goal for over a year, but the game today, it was baaaad.

But Id still be beyond ecstatic if he joins the Celtics.

it will be a nightmare for me. Parker and Smart are the two players i least want from the top 6

If Parker is drafted, and if he doesn't improve his body/defense by the start of next season, Stevens is going to yank him not too long after he puts him in the game. He won't get much time on the floor

Parker, by the most conservative scout estimates, has a ceiling of a multiple all-star forward. Think Jamal Mashburn. He'd be a franchise cornerstone, even if he's not a superstar. Nightmare for me is taking Exum or Randle or Gordon, and they end up being 'just okay'.

[D.o.s.]

I'm with IP, but my nightmare doesn't include Exum.

Randle and Gordon look like the least-sure of the sure things, at least as far as potential is concerned.

[Galeto]

It's interesting to see how quickly this board has soured on Parker. A month or 2 ago, he was THE pick. Now people have him going 4th or 6th?? And now Wiggins is the safer pick??

In any case, I still hope we are able to draft Wiggins somehow.

I won't lie, Parker has been my goal for over a year, but the game today, it was baaaad.

But Id still be beyond ecstatic if he joins the Celtics.

it will be a nightmare for me. Parker and Smart are the two players i least want from the top 6

If Parker is drafted, and if he doesn't improve his body/defense by the start of next season, Stevens is going to yank him not too long after he puts him in the game. He won't get much time on the floor

Parker, by the most conservative scout estimates, has a ceiling of a multiple all-star forward. Think Jamal Mashburn. He'd be a franchise cornerstone, even if he's not a superstar. Nightmare for me is taking Exum or Randle or Gordon, and they end up being 'just okay'.

I like the Jamal Mashburn comparison.  Similar height, length, build, handle and all-court scoring ability.  If he turns out closer to Mashburn than Carmelo or Pierce, I wouldn't say he's a franchise cornerstone.  Mashburn had a career PER of 15.7 and a career high of 18, not franchise cornerstone numbers.  His biggest weakness was that he was such an inefficient scorer, which Parker could well end up being.  Parker ending up as Mashburn would be him being 'just okay.'