grounded comps for top prospects in 2014

[JBcat]

I don't think the OP is looking for ceiling comparisons but rather grounded player comparisons.  So saying that Embiid's grounded player comparison is maybe Andrew Buynum.  I think Glen Robinson is very good for Parker although I remember Robinson even better in college.

I think Jeff Green is a so so defensive player, and Wiggins is already playing very very good d at the college level.  Going back a little maybe Derrick Mckey, Michael Cooper type but maybe better offense.

[LarBrd33]

Wiggins will, from the get-go, have better hustle stats than Green -- steals, blocks, rebounds etc.  I also think he'll be a better passer.

So maybe "more consistent, more well-rounded Green" -- which would be an All-Star caliber player.

SO basically... Tracy McGrady.

That seems to be a popular comp for Wiggins.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-Mac.  He was incredible before his injuries.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-mac too... but I'm more interested in seeing grounded comps for players like Clint Capela and Jusuf Nurkic right now seeing as we're about to go on a nice little streak and sneak into the 8th seed.

What's Jerami Grant's ceiling?

What is your basis for this "nice little streak"?


Warriors, Nets, Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Suns, Pelicans, Mavs, Heat


I count 6 teams that are clearly better than the Celtics and should win without any trouble, and the other teams are all more talented than the Celtics and are favored.  Perhaps the Knicks are an exception.

I don't see any reason to think that the Celtics will finish with more than 30 wins.  I'm pretty confident that a top 7 or 8 pick is coming our way, unless we have some REALLY bad luck with ping pong balls.

We are due.  Rondo's got the rust off... things about to start clicking.

[celticmania]

I think Nurkic and Capella are both going to rise after the college basketball season.... Both are international prospects which are hard to scout but Nurkic is big, strong, tough and can score in the post. Comparisons: grounded-Darko Milicic optimistic-Marc Gasol most likely-Pekovic. Capela on the other id extremely athletic and coordinated for a 6'10 19 year old. He is long and can rebound and block shots. Comparisons: grounded-Sean Williams optimistic- Serge Ibaka most likely-Bigger stronger John Henson

[Smokeeye123]

Wiggins will, from the get-go, have better hustle stats than Green -- steals, blocks, rebounds etc.  I also think he'll be a better passer.

So maybe "more consistent, more well-rounded Green" -- which would be an All-Star caliber player.

SO basically... Tracy McGrady.

That seems to be a popular comp for Wiggins.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-Mac.  He was incredible before his injuries.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-mac too... but I'm more interested in seeing grounded comps for players like Clint Capela and Jusuf Nurkic right now seeing as we're about to go on a nice little streak and sneak into the 8th seed.

What's Jerami Grant's ceiling?

What is your basis for this "nice little streak"?


Warriors, Nets, Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Suns, Pelicans, Mavs, Heat


I count 6 teams that are clearly better than the Celtics and should win without any trouble, and the other teams are all more talented than the Celtics and are favored.  Perhaps the Knicks are an exception.

I don't see any reason to think that the Celtics will finish with more than 30 wins.  I'm pretty confident that a top 7 or 8 pick is coming our way, unless we have some REALLY bad luck with ping pong balls.

We are due.  Rondo's got the rust off... things about to start clicking.

I kind of agree even though I pray we dont. Pelicans, pistons, Knicks, nets are all easily beatable. I wouldnt even be surprised if we beat the Suns, we were a couple shots away from beating the Suns 2 weeks ago.

I'm not wishing injury on Green or Bass, but those guys are holding us above water. Losing one or both and we sink to the bottom of the mariana trench.

[PhoSita]

Wiggins will, from the get-go, have better hustle stats than Green -- steals, blocks, rebounds etc.  I also think he'll be a better passer.

So maybe "more consistent, more well-rounded Green" -- which would be an All-Star caliber player.

SO basically... Tracy McGrady.

That seems to be a popular comp for Wiggins.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-Mac.  He was incredible before his injuries.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-mac too... but I'm more interested in seeing grounded comps for players like Clint Capela and Jusuf Nurkic right now seeing as we're about to go on a nice little streak and sneak into the 8th seed.

What's Jerami Grant's ceiling?

What is your basis for this "nice little streak"?


Warriors, Nets, Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Suns, Pelicans, Mavs, Heat


I count 6 teams that are clearly better than the Celtics and should win without any trouble, and the other teams are all more talented than the Celtics and are favored.  Perhaps the Knicks are an exception.

I don't see any reason to think that the Celtics will finish with more than 30 wins.  I'm pretty confident that a top 7 or 8 pick is coming our way, unless we have some REALLY bad luck with ping pong balls.

We are due.  Rondo's got the rust off... things about to start clicking.

So, basically you've just decided to start saying this in every thread you get the chance because you expect that it'll get people going, huh?

[LarBrd33]

Wiggins will, from the get-go, have better hustle stats than Green -- steals, blocks, rebounds etc.  I also think he'll be a better passer.

So maybe "more consistent, more well-rounded Green" -- which would be an All-Star caliber player.

SO basically... Tracy McGrady.

That seems to be a popular comp for Wiggins.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-Mac.  He was incredible before his injuries.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-mac too... but I'm more interested in seeing grounded comps for players like Clint Capela and Jusuf Nurkic right now seeing as we're about to go on a nice little streak and sneak into the 8th seed.

What's Jerami Grant's ceiling?

What is your basis for this "nice little streak"?


Warriors, Nets, Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Suns, Pelicans, Mavs, Heat


I count 6 teams that are clearly better than the Celtics and should win without any trouble, and the other teams are all more talented than the Celtics and are favored.  Perhaps the Knicks are an exception.

I don't see any reason to think that the Celtics will finish with more than 30 wins.  I'm pretty confident that a top 7 or 8 pick is coming our way, unless we have some REALLY bad luck with ping pong balls.

We are due.  Rondo's got the rust off... things about to start clicking.

So, basically you've just decided to start saying this in every thread you get the chance because you expect that it'll get people going, huh?

No.  We almost beat Indiana.  Things are looking up.  We're on the verge of some wins. 

[Who]

Noah Vonleh = Jason Thompson ??

[fitzhickey]

Noah Vonleh = Jason Thompson ??

That'd be a let down. Vonleh seems to have quite a nice jumpshot

[Galeto]

I'm not seeing the McGrady comp for Wiggins.  Similar bodies at the same age but ballhandling and passing were huge parts of McGrady's game.  He had the skills and was afforded the responsibilities of a point forward.  Wiggins is solid in those areas and has years of development ahead of course but he's way behind at the same age and just doesn't seem like a point forward type. 

I think Wiggins is more along the lines of Paul George. Similar body types and athleticism.  He could be a two-way player who creates for his teammates, not with extraordinary playmaking skills but from a willingness to hit bigs on pick and pops and drive and kick to shooters.  I think Wiggins is a bit more explosive on his drives but he may never be the long-range shooter George is.

Parker has broad similarities to Pierce: He's a wide small forward with all-around scoring skills.  Stylistically though, he's closer to Carmelo.  Unless improved conditioning improves his quickness, it's hard to see him being equal or better than Carmelo at anything besides going coast to coast off the dribble.  His first step is worse.  He struggles to finish around the rim against athletic defenders just like Carmelo but doesn't make up for it by being excellent at grabbing his own misses.  He has similar black hole tendencies but hasn't shown great intermittent passing chops.

[BleedGreen1989]

Wiggins will, from the get-go, have better hustle stats than Green -- steals, blocks, rebounds etc.  I also think he'll be a better passer.

So maybe "more consistent, more well-rounded Green" -- which would be an All-Star caliber player.

SO basically... Tracy McGrady.

That seems to be a popular comp for Wiggins.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-Mac.  He was incredible before his injuries.

I'd be thrilled to get the next T-mac too... but I'm more interested in seeing grounded comps for players like Clint Capela and Jusuf Nurkic right now seeing as we're about to go on a nice little streak and sneak into the 8th seed.

What's Jerami Grant's ceiling?

What is your basis for this "nice little streak"?


Warriors, Nets, Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Suns, Pelicans, Mavs, Heat


I count 6 teams that are clearly better than the Celtics and should win without any trouble, and the other teams are all more talented than the Celtics and are favored.  Perhaps the Knicks are an exception.

I don't see any reason to think that the Celtics will finish with more than 30 wins.  I'm pretty confident that a top 7 or 8 pick is coming our way, unless we have some REALLY bad luck with ping pong balls.

We are due.  Rondo's got the rust off... things about to start clicking.

So, basically you've just decided to start saying this in every thread you get the chance because you expect that it'll get people going, huh?

Ding ding ding

[CFAN38]

I don't think the OP is looking for ceiling comparisons but rather grounded player comparisons.  So saying that Embiid's grounded player comparison is maybe Andrew Buynum.  I think Glen Robinson is very good for Parker although I remember Robinson even better in college.

I think Jeff Green is a so so defensive player, and Wiggins is already playing very very good d at the college level.  Going back a little maybe Derrick Mckey, Michael Cooper type but maybe better offense.

your spot on Im trying to make the point that people try to put prospects in these comps with once in a generation super stars and it sets up unfair expectations.

Look back to when Gerald Green was being touted as the "next T-Mac". I used to argue with my buddys that he was hopefully going to be a more team orientated ricky davis. That was my realistic comp at that time.

Now its Wiggins who so early on was being compared to the ultra elite offensive skills of T-Mac. Thought he physical skills are similar they have completely different skill sets. I comped him to a consistent green becuase where jeff is a 16pt 6 rb guy who has shown moments of greatness guarding elite wings. I think Wiggins take the step up that many had hoped Green would make. I see him at his prime as a 1st-2nd team all defense wing who averages 18pt 7rb. Maybe a better comp would be a more athletic but less offensively polished Deng.   

[gift]

Parker, Glen (big Dog) Robinson 20pt 6rb

Wiggins, consistent jeff green

If Wiggins is consistent, that makes him much better than Jeff Green. In my opinion the only thing keeping him at a Jeff Green level would be the Jeff Green traits (passiveness, inconsistency etc).

I also think Parker is bigger and quicker than Big Dog was.

[smiggity]

I think Wiggins is more along the lines of Paul George. Similar body types and athleticism.  He could be a two-way player who creates for his teammates, not with extraordinary playmaking skills but from a willingness to hit bigs on pick and pops and drive and kick to shooters.  I think Wiggins is a bit more explosive on his drives but he may never be the long-range shooter George is.

This. Like George, I see Wiggins coming in the league and making an immediate impact on defense. I credit his inconsistency at the college level with the fact that his offensive game is not as advanced as some expected. This distinguishes him from both Jeff Green (whose inconsistency appears to be more mental than physical) and Tracy McGrady, whose advanced offensive skills speak for themselves. Wiggins certainly projects as an elite offensive player, but he has some work to do to get there.

IMO, Wiggins' potential as a two-way player gives him a higher ceiling than Parker, although Parker appears to be more NBA ready.

[RJ87]

I think Wiggins is more along the lines of Paul George. Similar body types and athleticism.  He could be a two-way player who creates for his teammates, not with extraordinary playmaking skills but from a willingness to hit bigs on pick and pops and drive and kick to shooters.  I think Wiggins is a bit more explosive on his drives but he may never be the long-range shooter George is.

This. Like George, I see Wiggins coming in the league and making an immediate impact on defense. I credit his inconsistency at the college level with the fact that his offensive game is not as advanced as some expected. This distinguishes him from both Jeff Green (whose inconsistency appears to be more mental than physical) and Tracy McGrady, whose advanced offensive skills speak for themselves. Wiggins certainly projects as an elite offensive player, but he has some work to do to get there.

IMO, Wiggins' potential as a two-way player gives him a higher ceiling than Parker, although Parker appears to be more NBA ready.

I like the George comparison quite a bit for Wiggins, although it'll be interesting to see how long it takes Wiggins to really explode at the next level as George did. PG had the benefit of flying under the radar and getting to take his time developing, while Wiggins has been hyped since his sophomore year of high school basically.

[celticmania]

Tyler Ennis = Mike Bibby