Must have top 3 pick, Why?

[tankwatch1]

I don't mean to be nasty but this topic is becoming annoying, to be honest. Of course we could beat the odds and select a franchise player outside of the top 3, but is it as likely as selecting one inside the top 3? I doubt it. If we don't get a high pick it isn't the end of the world, but all of these threads that try to overrate the value of a pick outside the top three, and underrate the value of a pick inside the top three, are rather ridiculous.

Thank you sir. I have been trying to scream this from the roof top for the longest time. This mostly comes from the anti-tanking crowd who don't want to admit it's good for the Celtics to bottom out. Look what Hinkie is doing in Philly. I hate the 76ers, but he is playing a game of chicken with the NBA, and is winning. He's bending the rules,taking advantage of the system, whatever you want to call it, but it's very effective. I'm about one thing ONLY, winning banner 18. I'm to the point now, where I don't care how we get there. If Ainge has to get cut throat and pull out all the stops to get the best pick possible, then so be it. Yes Hinkie is making a mockery of the league, but if you don't crawl in the sewer with him this year, your going to be left out in the cold.

[lbgreen33]

I am actually in the pro-tanking crowd!!  The problem is that does not guarantee you a top 3 pick!
 Where I work we have something called the 10 year rule.  What that means is, if your team wins it all you then have 10 years to do it again.  You cant cry about winning again for 10 years!!  I think as Celtics fans we get spoiled.  I Love the Celtics and I have watched them from the 60s till now and we have nothing to complain about!!  Actually I can't think of another team to root for that has had as much success as we have!!  Enjoy the ride, life it too short.  We are so blessed to be Celtics fans!!

[tankwatch1]

Good point on the 10 year rule. The problem is Sam Hinkie and the 76ers are so desperate after so many losing seasonsthey will sink to the gutter to get what they want. Ainge on the hand,,just went through 6 years of competing for a championship every year. I think he might forget the feeling of being an abomination like the 76ers. Ainge might not bewilling to sink to the level of Hinkie, causing them to be stuck in no man's land. For me,  it comes down to winning championships anyway you have to. Everyday life is about morals, not losing on purpose, but this is entertainment not life and death. I think Hinkie has this advantage on Ainge of being able to look like a disgrace now knowing it will pay dividends in the future.

[pokeKingCurtis]

10-15 players at any given time seem to be the cutoff for many as far as "difference makers" go.

It only makes sense that you're not guaranteed one, even in a great draft like this.

It also makes sense that there are a number of non-top-5 picks, a number of anomalies, that become difference makers. After all, the proportion of non-top-5 picks is far larger.

At this point, my opinion is that you want as many attempts as possible at getting a great player. Good thing we have so many firsts.

[lbgreen33]

That is a great point, well said!

[rutzan]

I don't post often, then I say hey why not write on the Celtics blog.  Then when I do and I go oh yes, that is why I don't often post on the Celtics Blog.  It is OK to disagree, but that is my opinion.

i'm sorry to say that is the nature of Celtics Blog

[LooseCannon]

If the Celtics must have a top 3 pick, then you should be willing without hesitation to trade Jared Sullinger to move up into the top three if Boston ends up with a draft pick just outside that range.

[BballTim]

I don't mean to be nasty but this topic is becoming annoying, to be honest. Of course we could beat the odds and select a franchise player outside of the top 3, but is it as likely as selecting one inside the top 3? I doubt it. If we don't get a high pick it isn't the end of the world, but all of these threads that try to overrate the value of a pick outside the top three, and underrate the value of a pick inside the top three, are rather ridiculous.

Thank you sir. I have been trying to scream this from the roof top for the longest time. This mostly comes from the anti-tanking crowd who don't want to admit it's good for the Celtics to bottom out. Look what Hinkie is doing in Philly. I hate the 76ers, but he is playing a game of chicken with the NBA, and is winning. He's bending the rules,taking advantage of the system, whatever you want to call it, but it's very effective. I'm about one thing ONLY, winning banner 18. I'm to the point now, where I don't care how we get there. If Ainge has to get cut throat and pull out all the stops to get the best pick possible, then so be it. Yes Hinkie is making a mockery of the league, but if you don't crawl in the sewer with him this year, your going to be left out in the cold.

  Lots of teams go to the bottom, few of those get back to the top in any reasonable amount of time. Hinkie's done nothing so far. Even if he gets a high draft pick he's still not done much. Let me know when Philly's in the finals. That's when you can call him a success, not now.

[cman88]

we are one of the 5 worst teams in the nba as it stands right now. so there is a chance we could get top 3.

theres no guarantee that what the 76ers have done will make them any closer to a championship than the celtics though...by stripping any semblance of talent off their roster where it is basically a D-league team. It will be a long road for that team to be competitive again even if the next prospect pans out. If you have a star surrounded by crap, its still crap..you need to be solid drafting roleplayers around them...look at the Cavs with Irving

I would think getting a high draft pick prospect when you already have talented building blocks like Rondo/sullinger etc. it would be easier to attain back towards contention.

[LooseCannon]

we are one of the 5 worst teams in the nba as it stands right now. so there is a chance we could get top 3.

As long as you miss the playoffs, you have a chance of getting into the top 3.  There is a 18.8% chance of a team without one of the five worst records getting the #1 overall pick.  For the sake of comparison, the Milwaukee Bucks have won 19% of their games so far this season.

[cman88]

we are one of the 5 worst teams in the nba as it stands right now. so there is a chance we could get top 3.

As long as you miss the playoffs, you have a chance of getting into the top 3.  There is a 18.8% chance of a team without one of the five worst records getting the #1 overall pick.  For the sake of comparison, the Milwaukee Bucks have won 19% of their games so far this season.

just curious, when is the last time the team with the worst record won the lottery? I mean we had the worst record in both the Duncan and Durant drafts if I recall and we lost out on both..

[lbgreen33]

The worst team has won the NBA Draft Lottery three times in 23 tries.
That was in SB Nation.

[mmmmm]

I don't mean to be nasty but this topic is becoming annoying, to be honest. Of course we could beat the odds and select a franchise player outside of the top 3, but is it as likely as selecting one inside the top 3? I doubt it. If we don't get a high pick it isn't the end of the world, but all of these threads that try to overrate the value of a pick outside the top three, and underrate the value of a pick inside the top three, are rather ridiculous.

Thank you sir. I have been trying to scream this from the roof top for the longest time. This mostly comes from the anti-tanking crowd who don't want to admit it's good for the Celtics to bottom out. Look what Hinkie is doing in Philly. I hate the 76ers, but he is playing a game of chicken with the NBA, and is winning. He's bending the rules,taking advantage of the system, whatever you want to call it, but it's very effective. I'm about one thing ONLY, winning banner 18. I'm to the point now, where I don't care how we get there. If Ainge has to get cut throat and pull out all the stops to get the best pick possible, then so be it. Yes Hinkie is making a mockery of the league, but if you don't crawl in the sewer with him this year, your going to be left out in the cold.

Umm ... how are you measuring, "winning"?

[LooseCannon]

we are one of the 5 worst teams in the nba as it stands right now. so there is a chance we could get top 3.

As long as you miss the playoffs, you have a chance of getting into the top 3.  There is a 18.8% chance of a team without one of the five worst records getting the #1 overall pick.  For the sake of comparison, the Milwaukee Bucks have won 19% of their games so far this season.

just curious, when is the last time the team with the worst record won the lottery? I mean we had the worst record in both the Duncan and Durant drafts if I recall and we lost out on both..

2004, when the Magic got Dwight Howard.

[LilRip]

I've been thinking about doing this for a while but just haven't had time, but I'm curious to see just how many from those drafted in 1-5 went on to become all stars? How many in 6-10? How many in 10-15? 16-20? 20-30? And 2nd rounders? Maybe take those drafted from 2002-2012. The only criteria would be at least one all star appearance.